# Anything else you motherfuckers need? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 16, 2009, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231 "2009-07-16T16:51:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 90
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2009, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1781 "2009-07-28T02:35:40Z")
> [@Maeglin](#): > > You would think so, having only actually taken Econ 101. The reality is more inconvenient than your quaint heuristics would suggest. OK bro. You go produce a can of soda for $10,000 each and see how that business works out for you. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2009, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1782 "2009-07-28T02:36:01Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > You just keep taking from the rich and see how that works out for you. Watch NYC and CA in the coming years–the brain drain there is already occurring. The term “fly-over country” will come to refer to both coasts–the areas that people in the middle fly over when they go to Hawaii or Europe. So when’s your flight? ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2009, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1783 "2009-07-28T02:37:37Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > So when’s your flight? Huh? ---
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2009, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1784 "2009-07-28T02:37:58Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > All I meant to do was point out the fallacy in the statement that people like me are bad because we only look after ourselves. That’s wrong becaue the things I do to make money provide value to others, so it’s not like I’m just taking when I get rich, I’m providing value in exchange for everything I get. The liberal douches don’t understand this and think money just grows on trees, so if they take it from the rich then the rich will just make more so they can take it again. But value here is strictly marginal, not normative. The fact that you provide marginal utility to someone has, well, nothing to do with the total utility you actually provide. The supply of Rands is (thankfully) low, so the marginal utility you provide may be higher than the marginal utility of a schoolteacher. But is anyone really under any illusions of which profession delivers greater total utility? ---
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2009, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1785 "2009-07-28T02:38:58Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > You just keep taking from the rich and see how that works out for you. Watch NYC and CA in the coming years–the brain drain there is already occurring. The term “fly-over country” will come to refer to both coasts–the areas that people in the middle fly over when they go to Hawaii or Europe. Spoken just like someone who couldn’t get a real job at a top NYC firm. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2009, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1786 "2009-07-28T02:39:57Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Huh? You keep bitching about the country and referring to brain drain. Stands to reason that if the _fed_ taxes the rich such as you surely are, ya’ll gon boogie off to greener pastures. When’s your flight? ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2009, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1787 "2009-07-28T02:41:37Z")
> [@Maeglin](#): > > But value here is strictly marginal, not normative. The fact that you provide marginal utility to someone has, well, nothing to do with the total utility you actually provide. The supply of Rands is (thankfully) low, so the marginal utility you provide may be higher than the marginal utility of a schoolteacher. > > But is anyone really under any illusions of which profession delivers greater total utility? This sounds like an argument for doing everything possible to not discourage me from doing what I’m doing. Also, I haven’t said anything about “which profession” delivers greater total utility, so your last sentence is off the mark. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2009, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1788 "2009-07-28T02:42:38Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > You keep bitching about the country and referring to brain drain. Stands to reason that if the _fed_ taxes the rich such as you surely are, ya’ll gon boogie off to greener pastures. > > When’s your flight? You may want to read that post again, tough guy. I was talking about what is happening in NYC and CA–people leaving the US as a whole is a different matter. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2009, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1789 "2009-07-28T02:43:07Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > The reason you are a stupid fucking bitch is that you kept insisting that I meant my “value to society,” which is not what I said at all. No, that’s not what I kept insisting. I quoted you directly and parsed your statement directly from your words. Your statement spoke for itself; Maeglin corrected you, and he would know. Now quit being so damn butthurt. > [@](#): > > Also, Fuji, I pretty much lost interest in that discussion when Rubystreak did what lots of dumbasses do around here constantly, which is simply mischaracterize my argument instead of actually arguing against it. You can fucking say this over and over, but the exchange is right here for everyone to read. I addressed your argument on its merits and found it lacking, as others with even greater expertise in the area have. I was not talking about your “value to society,” nor your value as a human being. I’m not qualified to judge that, and have defended your sorry ass from others who have tried to cast aspersions on you for it, which you quickly forget when your eggshell ego is challenged intellectually. You can thrash about, hurling retarded ad hominem insults, but you were wrong. Is it so fucking painful for you to admit that? My god, you must be a very insecure person if this causes you to react with such pointless, vicious venom. > [@](#): > > In any event, I shouldn’t have even gotten into that whole discussion. All I meant to do was point out the fallacy in the statement that people like me are bad because we only look after ourselves. Got news for you: this is not why people think you’re bad. I for one have never denied that you provided value. I just pointed out the error of your equation of your salary to the value you provide society. That’s all, and for that, I get your trying to dump your steaming pile on me relentlessly. Seems like it would just be easier to admit you misspoke and move on. ---
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2009, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1790 "2009-07-28T02:44:16Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > This sounds like an argument for doing everything possible to not discourage me from doing what I’m doing. > > Also, I haven’t said anything about “which profession” delivers greater total utility, so your last sentence is off the mark. I have no desire to discourage you from doing your job. I actually don’t want to discourage you from being yourself. Your internet persona itself only reinforces my beliefs, values, and core assumptions about the world, so really, I appreciate it. My last sentence is not off the mark because it is true. You make implicit interpersonal comparisons of utility that are spurious, to say the least. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2009, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1791 "2009-07-28T02:44:33Z")
> [@Maeglin](#): > > Spoken just like someone who couldn’t get a real job at a top NYC firm. Actually, spoken like someone who has no interest in living in NYC. Also, in 5-10 years, the term “top NYC firm” will come to mean something like “the prettiest girl at the prom at the Guinistasia Camp for Ugly Girls.” ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2009, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1792 "2009-07-28T02:45:39Z")
> [@Maeglin](#): > > My last sentence is not off the mark because it is true. You make implicit interpersonal comparisons of utility that are spurious, to say the least. When have I ever said anything about the utility of tax lawyers as a profession v. the utility of teachers as a profession? Never. That’s why your comment is off the mark, it has nothing to do with this discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2009, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1793 "2009-07-28T02:46:00Z")
> [@Maeglin](#): > > I have no desire to discourage you from doing your job. I actually don’t want to discourage you from being yourself. Your internet persona itself only reinforces my beliefs, values, and core assumptions about the world, so really, I appreciate it. > > My last sentence is not off the mark because it is true. You make implicit interpersonal comparisons of utility that are spurious, to say the least. Watch out, Maeglin. Pretty soon you’re going to be accused of being… FAT. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2009, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1794 "2009-07-28T02:46:07Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > You may want to read that post again, tough guy. I was talking about what is happening in NYC and CA–people leaving the US as a whole is a different matter. Your thinking is too half assed. To get away from being taxed for things such as UHC, the rich cannot merely flee to Iowa or Nebraska. Those nasty socialist feds and their IRS thugs will find them there and tax them just as much as if they were in California or New York. Brain Drain means they are inacessible, not just in a different state. So when your slightly betters (since you surely are nearly as rich as them) flee to less socialist ground, will you be right behind or can we still pick your golden pocket? I surely hope so as my bed sores are achin me somethin awful. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2009, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1795 "2009-07-28T02:47:41Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Actually, spoken like someone who has no interest in living in NYC. Also, in 5-10 years, the term “top NYC firm” will come to mean something like “the prettiest girl at the prom at the Guinistasia Camp for Ugly Girls.” You’re being beaten by **Rubystreak** and **Maaeglin**. Why are you lashing out at **Guinastasia**? ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2009, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1796 "2009-07-28T02:48:08Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > That’s all, and for that, I get your trying to dump your steaming pile on me relentlessly. What really pissed me off is when in some unrelated thread you mentioned that I thought I had more value to society than everyone else. I’ll agree to a truce if you also agree. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2009, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1797 "2009-07-28T02:49:15Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > You just keep taking from the rich and see how that works out for you. OK! Wanna bet who blinks first? > [@](#): > > The term “fly-over country” will come to refer to both coasts–the areas that people in the middle fly over when they go to Hawaii or Europe. Who, the people from Kansas that think _You-rup_ is a socialist hellhole? The entertainment you provide just never ends, as you flail around in your panic at the thought of losing your grip on the throat of the little people! ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2009, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1798 "2009-07-28T02:49:29Z")
Truce = got to the end of my 101 fat girl jokes book ---
**Author:** ![NinetyWt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/cc9497/32.png) [@NinetyWt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NinetyWt)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2009, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1799 "2009-07-28T02:49:33Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > I surely hope so as my bed sores are achin me somethin awful. I told you not to buy that Sleep Number bed. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2009, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1800 "2009-07-28T02:49:41Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > Your thinking is too half assed. To get away from being taxed for things such as UHC, the rich cannot merely flee to Iowa or Nebraska. Those nasty socialist feds and their IRS thugs will find them there and tax them just as much as if they were in California or New York. Brain Drain means they are inacessible, not just in a different state. > > So when your slightly betters (since you surely are nearly as rich as them) flee to less socialist ground, will you be right behind or can we still pick your golden pocket? I surely hope so as my bed sores are achin me somethin awful. Hey dummy, when I was talking about people leaving CA and NYC, I was talking about the confiscatory tax rates in those two jurisdictions, not the US federal income tax. Sheesh. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231.md?page=89) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231.md?page=91)