# Anything else you motherfuckers need? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 16, 2009, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231 "2009-07-16T16:51:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 96
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1901 "2009-07-29T18:00:31Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > But you choose to use something you consider wrong, how does that not make you spineless whore, and a hypocritical piece of trash? [Because it’s their fault!](http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=795#comic) -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1902 "2009-07-29T18:00:58Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > No u (re obamacare). And here, ladies and gentlemen, we can see the depth of **Rand Rover** ’s arguments. ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1903 "2009-07-29T18:15:32Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I’d go so far as to say if you can’t compartmentalize people’s political views and their personalities, you’re cutting yourself off from a variety of good people who could be your friends. I’m as socially liberal as they come, but the majority of my friends lean conservative. I split my time between Chicago and Kansas City, MO. And most of my friends in KC are conservative because it’s a more conservative place - Mike, the bar owner; Joe, the doctor; Berta, the waitress; Bill, the retired ad guy. Bill and I argue politics all the time and have a great time doing so. Mike and I are polar opposites politically, but he is open to discussion, as he’s interested in my take on things. I debate “socialized medicine” with Dr. Joe all the time. I’ve not discussed politics with Berta since, shortly after the election, she expressed her hope that Barack Obama, the President of the United States and the father of two young children, would be assassinated - I considered that completely beyond the pale, but I still attended her husband’s wake yesterday and expressed my sympathy for her loss. I consider all these people good friends and would be happy to have a meal with any or all of them at any time. Rand Rover, on the other hand, give the impression of being a complete asshole from birth, and his political opinions are an expression of his basic obnoxiousness and lack of worth as a human being rather than being the environment he grew up in. There are only two possibilities: A: He’s as big an asshole as he appears to be. B: He’s a troll. Both exclude him as an acceptable dinner companion. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1904 "2009-07-29T18:24:09Z")
> [@gaffa](#): > > I’ve not discussed politics with Berta since, shortly after the election, she expressed her hope that Barack Obama, the President of the United States and the father of two young children, would be assassinated - I considered that completely beyond the pale, but I still attended her husband’s wake yesterday and expressed my sympathy for her loss. I consider all these people good friends and would be happy to have a meal with any or all of them at any time. > > Rand Rover, on the other hand, give the impression of being a complete asshole from birth, and his political opinions are an expression of his basic obnoxiousness and lack of worth as a human being rather than being the environment he grew up in. Well, here we part company, as RR, for all his faults, has never something as objectionable as that- and notwithstanding my earlier post, you should probably feel slightly ashamed that you can overlook the fact that Ms. Berta called for the death of the sitting President (assuming she said it in all seriousness). ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1905 "2009-07-29T18:49:32Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Well, here we part company, as RR, for all his faults, has never something as objectionable as that- and notwithstanding my earlier post, you should probably feel slightly ashamed that you can overlook the fact that Ms. Berta called for the death of the sitting President (assuming she said it in all seriousness). Two mitigating circumstances: [ul] [li] **Rand Rover** is _specifically prohibited_ from wishing death on anyone by Dope rules.[/li][li]Berta’s husband just died from a prolonged illness that was discovered before the election. I doubt I would have excused (not forgiven) anyone else who wasn’t coping with that level of stress.[/li][/ul] ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1906 "2009-07-29T20:51:52Z")
> [@Una\_Persson](#): > > But when what you say is: > > That really isn’t the same thing at all. OK, yes, saying “couldn’t have known _it_ was going to happen” is not as clear as saying “couldn’t have known that _something_ could happen”. Better? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1907 "2009-07-29T20:53:28Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > But you choose to use something you consider wrong, how does that not make you spineless whore, and a hypocritical piece of trash? Citation, please, that **Rand Rover** has ever asserted that he is not those things? Don’t want you wasting your energy knocking down straw men, after all. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1908 "2009-07-29T21:09:03Z")
OMG u guys r so mean OMG!!! ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1909 "2009-07-29T21:11:02Z")
> [@cwthree](#): > > Wrong again. What do you think happens to middle class people who have exhausted their savings after losing a job or incurring a catastrophic medical expense? Believe it or not, selling the house and moving someplace cheaper may not be a realistic option - it may put them too far from prospective employers, decent schools, or useful public transportation. They look middle class to you because you’re seeing the stuff they had before things went to shit. Which has what to do with what I posted, which is the middle class isn’t saving [before](http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/sav/20060621a1.asp) they lose a job or have a medical catastrophy? > [@](#): > > This isn’t about you, personally. Uh, well, since I was responding to you asking me “what if _you_ were in the burning house”, I answered it as if it was about me. OTOH, why is it that you feel that the average person wouldn’t have medical and/or house insurance? > [@](#): > > The IRS doesn’t care if your job is “real” or not. They only care about how much money you make. I assure you that if some teenager somewhere manages to make $10,000 picking berries one summer, the IRS expects that kid to file a return and pay income tax. Likewise, if my doctor chooses to spend a year using her skills to provide services _pro bono_, the IRS doesn’t expect her to pay tax on zero dollars just because she rendered professional services. If you want to pick that nit, you go right ahead. > [@](#): > > Shrug. Too busy trying to stay alive? Unless you were living in a cardboard box under a bridge, I don’t believe that. As I said, don’t care what you wish to believe. If you experiences don’t include having to eat napkin sandwiches and live in unheated houses on the Canadian border, then maybe you can’t understand what “busy trying to stay alive” means. > [@](#): > > People put themselves through school even if it means living in lousy circumstances for a while, if school is important to them. Usually at the expense of others. If you have noticed, the reoccuring theme here is to get people back to the idea of taking care of themselves. > [@](#): > > College was no longer necessary after you got the job at Aetna? That just tells me you lack foresight and ambition. Ah, so then working my way up from mail clerk to $35,000 annually was a lack of foresight and ambition? > [@](#): > > Your answer didn’t address the question. If you don’t think so, then you need to specify why. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1910 "2009-07-29T21:18:14Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > If you experiences don’t include having to eat napkin sandwiches and live in unheated houses on the Canadian border, then maybe you can’t understand what “busy trying to stay alive” means. I would totally go see a band called Napkin Sandwiches. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1911 "2009-07-29T22:25:43Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > I would totally go see a band called Napkin Sandwiches. Probably should stay out of the closeup seats - they tend to be messy… ---
**Author:** ![Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malleus_incus_stapes/32/3293_2.png) [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malleus_Incus_Stapes)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1912 "2009-07-29T22:57:48Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > This is, on virtually any day you could name, an incorrect statement. > > The _WSJ_ has some of the best reporters in the United States. The writers on its Op-Ed pages, on the other hand, are generally sociopaths of some sort. Really? The WSJ is biased, yes, but so is the NYT. Sometimes I want to take the staff of both papers, lock them in a small room, and force them to admit that other people have different political veiws than they do. They can be quite obnoxious, but I wouldn’t call them sociopaths. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2009, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1913 "2009-07-30T00:20:03Z")
I like how tjhe wsj has the one liberal douche opinion columnist who just snarks and smarms up every column he does. I wonder what its like in staff meetings with that guy. Also, that can’t look good on his resume. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2009, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1914 "2009-07-30T00:34:41Z")
Thomas Frank (liberal douche referred to above). ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2009, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1915 "2009-07-30T00:47:48Z")
Out of curiosity, have you given any thought to some of the other terms for liberals? I know that you’re fond of “liberal douche,” but it’s grown a bit stale. You could try “socialist.” It’s all the rage this year. There’s always the old standbys: moonbat, leftist, pinko, commie, pansy, or filthy hippie. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2009, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1916 "2009-07-30T00:49:30Z")
I vote for the last one, I find **RR** ’s contempt very reassuring. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2009, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1917 "2009-07-30T00:49:43Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > Out of curiosity, have you given any thought to some of the other terms for liberals? I know that you’re fond of “liberal douche,” but it’s grown a bit stale. You could try “socialist.” It’s all the rage this year. There’s always the old standbys: moonbat, leftist, pinko, commie, pansy, or filthy hippie. I like dirty stinking Commie, but then I’m old skool 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2009, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1918 "2009-07-30T00:57:30Z")
Nah, “liberal douche” just leaves me with a nice, fresh feeling that the others don’t. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2009, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1919 "2009-07-30T00:57:41Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > This is, on virtually any day you could name, an incorrect statement. > > The _WSJ_ has some of the best reporters in the United States. The writers on its Op-Ed pages, on the other hand, are generally sociopaths of some sort. > > I’m not surprised you think it’s great. > [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](#): > > Really? The WSJ is biased, yes, but so is the NYT. Sometimes I want to take the staff of both papers, lock them in a small room, and force them to admit that other people have different political veiws than they do. They can be quite obnoxious, but I wouldn’t call them sociopaths. Please, as **mhendo** did, distinguish between the reporters and the editorial pages. The reporting of both papers is superb. The editorial writers reflect the opinions of the owners(I presume). ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2009, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1920 "2009-07-30T01:01:11Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Nah, “liberal douche” just leaves me with a nice, fresh feeling that the others don’t. Well played sir. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231.md?page=95) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231.md?page=97)