# Anything else you motherfuckers need? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 16, 2009, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231 "2009-07-16T16:51:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 98
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1941 "2009-07-31T19:12:29Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Guests can send PMs? Unless I’m hallucinating my messages folder, full of sent and received PMs, we can. > [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > I thought I’d let everyone benefit from seeing TTR’s inability to construct an argument. Well, we got the benefit of seeing your cowardly machinations to avoid getting a simultaneous smackdown from a half-dozen people at once. > [@cwthree](#): > > Thirty-five grand annually isn’t exactly big money, and certainly not what I’d expect from someone who worked at the same place for 35 years. Yeah, seriously. A $35k salary (or less than $17/hour) is really shitty for 35 years at the same place. Either the jobs were ones a monkey could do, or \*\*curlcoat \*\*really didn’t try very hard to advance at all. Or both. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1942 "2009-07-31T19:13:30Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Tell you what The Tao’s Revenge. If you make a prima facie case that I am being hypocritical, then I’ll respond to it. Before that, you aren’t worth the time. A prima facie case should include at least a definition of the term “hypocritical,” a description of the relevant facts, and an analysis of how the facts meet the definition. > > Note, I’ll only respond if The Tao’s Revenge does this, nobody else (unless I change my mind). Then you should take this private. Yhe nature of a public message board means that all people meeting the owners’ specifications may write comments to anything posted thereon, i.e., they have _standing_ by virtue of their membership (including guests). Perhaps this concept, like most other elements of civil discourse, has escaped you? ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1943 "2009-07-31T19:30:57Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Yeah, seriously. A $35k salary (or less than $17/hour) is really shitty for 35 years at the same place. Either the jobs were ones a monkey could do, or \*\*curlcoat \*\*really didn’t try very hard to advance at all. Or both. Probably something her husband made her do to keep her from spending all day banging the gardener. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1944 "2009-07-31T19:32:47Z")
Wait. 35 grand? That’s the massive curlcoat salary that we’re all supposed to be admiring? I’ve made do with less, much less, but I was making much more than that when I was struggling to pay my husband’s medical bills. That isn’t the sort of money that will offer much protection against the sort of bills I’ve encountered. ---
**Author:** ![Jolly\_Roger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/91b2a8/32.png) [@Jolly\_Roger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jolly_Roger)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1945 "2009-07-31T19:35:18Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Wait. 35 grand? That’s the massive curlcoat salary that we’re all supposed to be admiring? > > I’ve made do with less, much less, but I was making much more than that when I was struggling to pay my husband’s medical bills. That isn’t the sort of money that will offer much protection against the sort of bills I’ve encountered. Damn. I make more than that and I’m in the fuckin’ army. ---
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1946 "2009-07-31T19:46:18Z")
> [@Jolly\_Roger](#): > > Damn. I make more than that and I’m in the fuckin’ army. I made more than that in my first job out of college at a nonprofit. Ten years ago. Please tell me it’s a typo for 350g. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1947 "2009-07-31T20:24:03Z")
> [@cwthree](#): > > I’m not nitpicking. You’re the one who dismissed a perfectly good response by claiming that it didn’t apply to “real jobs.” Don’t make statements if you’re not prepared to support them. If I consider it nitpicking, I obviously do not consider it to be “a perfectly good response”. > [@](#): > > “Napkin sandwiches?” Clearly, no one has ever had it worse than you. Which, of course, I didn’t say but you go right ahead and continue to exaggerate to deflect attention. > [@](#): > > Please support this. On what basis do you assert that most people who put themselves through school do so “at the expense of others?” How many people do _you_ think pay their college tuition, books, etc all by themselves? > [@](#): > > Thirty-five grand annually isn’t exactly big money, and certainly not what I’d expect from someone who worked at the same place for 35 years. Where did you get the idea that I worked for Aetna for 35 years? $30,000 (which was what I topped out at before I left) was more than enough for a single person in the mid 80’s - early 90’s in Washington. > [@](#): > > It sounds more like you advanced through a series of pay grades and modest promotions. Hard work - yes. But nothing you’ve said about your work suggests that you had any kind of plans for advancement. So, instead of asking me anything about it, you simply choose to assume the worst, eh? ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1948 "2009-07-31T20:29:02Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Wait. 35 grand? That’s the massive curlcoat salary that we’re all supposed to be admiring? > > I’ve made do with less, much less, but I was making much more than that when I was struggling to pay my husband’s medical bills. That isn’t the sort of money that will offer much protection against the sort of bills I’ve encountered. I am confused about all of the attention on the salary I was making in the late 80’s - early 90’s. I am also quite amused at the way you all wave away the fact that I started out way below the poverty level to get there, as if that shows no ambition or ability to get out of poverty without expecting someone else to do it for me. Which was the context it was in. If you all weren’t so bent on stomping on any and all ideas/opinions that don’t agree with your narrow little worlds, you might actually learn something. You know? “Fighting Ignorance”? ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1949 "2009-07-31T20:30:21Z")
> [@Maeglin](#): > > I made more than that in my first job out of college at a nonprofit. Ten years ago. > > Please tell me it’s a typo for 350g. No, it’s not. Why in the world do you all have some idea that I made some huge amount of money? Remember, high school graduate only? ---
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1950 "2009-07-31T20:31:06Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > No, it’s not. Why in the world do you all have some idea that I made some huge amount of money? Remember, high school graduate only? Because the way you talk about it, it was some major accomplishment. ---
**Author:** ![TheBaptiste](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f6c823/32.png) [@TheBaptiste](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheBaptiste)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1951 "2009-07-31T20:33:12Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Nah, “liberal douche” just leaves me with a nice, fresh feeling that the others don’t. I like “liberal dick sucks” myself. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1952 "2009-07-31T20:48:17Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Probably something her husband made her do to keep her from spending all day banging the gardener. Psh, a truly efficient housewife could bang the gardener in no more than 10 minutes. > [@jcheckwood](#): > > I like “liberal dick sucks” myself. Funny, that’s exactly what the men’s room wall said about you. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1953 "2009-07-31T20:48:31Z")
> [@jcheckwood](#): > > I like “liberal dick sucks” myself. Douche is good. It has that vaguely French (foreign, unAmerican, not like us) sound to it that scares people 😃 ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1954 "2009-07-31T20:49:15Z")
> [@Maeglin](#): > > Because the way you talk about it, it was some major accomplishment. So, it’s _not_ a major accomplishment to go from having almost zero to being able to support oneself comfortably, without taking anything from anyone? Huh. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1955 "2009-07-31T20:50:03Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Funny, that’s exactly what the men’s room wall said about you. What were you doing in a mens’ room? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1956 "2009-07-31T21:01:31Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > What were you doing in a mens’ room? :dubious: There was a line in the women’s room and I had to pee really, really bad. ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1957 "2009-07-31T21:03:02Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > There was a line in the women’s room and I had to pee really, really bad. Been there, done that. Many times. ---
**Author:** ![twilly80](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a9adbd/32.png) [@twilly80](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twilly80)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1958 "2009-07-31T21:06:32Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > What were you doing in a mens’ room? :dubious: Because SFG is really a man. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1959 "2009-07-31T21:14:44Z")
Awww, I’ve gained my own personal troll. ---
**Author:** ![cwthree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9de0a6/32.png) [@cwthree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cwthree)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2009, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231/1960 "2009-07-31T21:28:33Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Which, of course, I didn’t say but you go right ahead and continue to exaggerate to deflect attention. You most certainly did refer to eating “napkin sandwiches” back in [post #1909](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11391000&postcount=1909). > [@curlcoat](#): > > How many people do _you_ think pay their college tuition, books, etc all by themselves? Among the folks I know who have worked their way through school, _all of them_. That’s why they call it “working your way through school.” You really do think that you’re the only person who’s worked for what you have, don’t you? > [@curlcoat](#): > > Where did you get the idea that I worked for Aetna for 35 years? $30,000 (which was what I topped out at before I left) was more than enough for a single person in the mid 80’s - early 90’s in Washington. Somewhere back in this thread you said that you worked for 35 years and it sounded like you worked for the same company that entire time. Sue me. > [@curlcoat](#): > > So, instead of asking me anything about it, you simply choose to assume the worst, eh? What’s “assuming the worst” about it? I said your work history sounds unremarkable. If being ordinary bothers you, that isn’t my fault or my problem. > [@curlcoat](#): > > So, it’s _not_ a major accomplishment to go from having almost zero to being able to support oneself comfortably, without taking anything from anyone? Huh. Well, no. You’re not the first person to do that, and you won’t be the last. And unless you were raised by wolves on the tundra, you didn’t do it “without taking anything from anyone.” Your parents may not have sent you to college, but they provided you a home and support until you were able to leave. Have you reimbursed them for the cost of raising you? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231.md?page=97) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anything-else-you-motherfuckers-need/503231.md?page=99)