Apparently. Lots of people think there is an “SS fund” out there with their name on it. Little do they know that, after a couple years, they are being supported by taxpayers.
(Actually, they are *always *being supported by taxpayers. But I suppose you could take into account how much they paid into the system.)
So… let me get this straight… You bitch about people who are “undeserving” getting taxpayer’s money even when hey are desperately in need and how important it is to be responsible and take care of yourself… but YOU don’t need your taxpayer-derived money (SSDI) yet you are proudly taking it so you don’t have to touch your assets? You can take care of yourself yet you insist other do so?
What a selfish, miserly, low-down sub-scum form of life you are!
But if you were responsible you’d have enough money to take care of yourself without needing taxpayer money and without leaving your husband in debt, right? So by your own definition you are one of those irresponsible people. You should have planned better so there would be no chance of you leaving your husband or anyone in debt, right?
And let me make this absolutely clear: I am NOT disgusted with the fact you receive SSDI, and I am disgusted with YOU, you sick, nasty, twisted, heartless, hypocritical pile of stinking crap.
Bullshit. Numerous examples have been given in this thread. What it comes down to is that you will accept nothing outside of your narrow, bigoted world view.
You are one very cruel, evil, alleged human being.
Yes.
IMO, the federal government does not have the authority to have anything to do with healthcare. Any government-run healthcare should be administered by the states, not the federal government.
Socialists do like this idea, however. They will claim it’s due to “inefficiency” or whatever. I think they’re lying. (Since when do socialists care about efficiency? LOL.) The real reason is they don’t want anyone to have a choice. Socialists are very totalitarian in nature. They believe people should be forced to do things. Socialists are the most anti-choice people I’ve ever met.
You mean like this guy, one of the world’s most gifted neurosurgeons who grew up in the Detroit projects? How about this guy, CEO of Starbucks who grew up in subsidized housing in Brooklyn?
Uh, right, we should have left both those guys in ignorant poverty :rolleyes:
Wow, look at how it backpedals!
If the SUV was $40k new but they bought it used they didn’t pay $40k. Are you really THAT stupid? You must be - you think $10k in reserve is adequate to pay for any medical emergency.
And YOU assume they must be totally guilty of being irresponsible and must have done something wrong rather than having bad luck.
Yes, I want to add healthcare to this. Despite your protests, there IS money to pay for this in this country.
DC or Washington state? Or do you not know?
And, once again, curlcoat hasn’t experienced it so it doesn’t happen. Frolic naked in Chicago in winter, folks, curlcoat doesn’t believe people can freeze to death so it never happens!
We have FREE mass transit for those over 65 - wow, talk about subsidized! I believe poor pregnant women can get subsidized transportation to help them get to the doctor so they can have healthy babies.
True, it seems you know very little about anything.
Nope - let’s raise taxes on the wealthiest people. This shouldn’t bother you, because you keep saying you’re not wealthy.
Here’s an idea - let’s stop giving SSDI checks to wealthy, selfish bitches who actually do have enough money squirreled away to take care of themselves and use that money to take care of someone who really needs help in order to survive.
What the FUCK does “land mass” have to do with providing health care to everyone? Nothing. It’s just you coming up with yet another reason to defend your callous willingness to let other people suffer and die because of your own selfish greed.
Nice (?) you put in there - there is NO DOUBT that UHC works in those countries. It has worked for decades. It really terrifies you, the idea that it is possible to cover everyone for less cost and better overall results, doesn’t it? Why is that?
But if they were “responsible” they’d have the money to buy their own private insurance policies, right? So what you’re saying is that if you’re old you deserve a free ride, but if you’re 20 years old and get caught in a house fire you deserve an agonizing, prolonged death because you weren’t “responsible” enough to have enough money accumulated to pay the bills?
The same that will happen when “a large section of our society retires” and goes into a government health insurance program called “Medicare”. Don’t you understand that Medicare is already a government health insurance program?
That’s still not enough. Unless you have access to a million in cash on short notice you aren’t able to handle “anything”, and even with a million you could still come up short with a major burn injury, or a prolonged bought with cancer. If you need a transplant the initial costs are hundreds of thousands with the follow up costs tens of thousands of dollars just for maintenance for life and that’s not looking at any complications or other emergencies that might arise.
You just have no clue how expensive medicine can be.
So… you’ll pay tens of thousands of dollars for medical care for a dog but you don’t want to spend anything for a human being?
You have some really fucked up priorities.
So… would you have an objection if every state had a UHC plan for its citizens?
That’s what Canada does - they have UHC at the province level. Would that be acceptable to you?
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So your main problem is with the US healthcare system as it stands today, right? Because that’s what’s happening today.
If you want to change that I recommend getting together with like-minded people to find a way to lobby the government to change the system so that it operates in the way you want it to operate. Or are you just too lazy that you couldn’t be bothered?
curlcoat doesn’t even bother to vote.
I can’t believe all these lunatics are still asking for cites. Are they actually such optimists that they think they’re going to get one?
-Joe
Naw, we just like to annoy the crap out of the selfish old biddy.
Whether or not my father had insurance is irrelevant to the question. The question was whether you thought it realistic that your “safety net” (which you’ve asserted is available to anyone who bothers to live prudently and plan ahead) would cover such an expense.
You do understand that even if you made “a big dent” in it by using your credit cards, you still have to pay that money out of your pocket eventually, right? How long would it take you to make $500,000 in payments to your credit card issuers and the healthcare providers? Bear in mind that stuff you put on credit cards will also incur finance charges, compounding at anywhere from 8 to 19 percent annually.
I like the fact that curlcoat has totally dropped the discussion of how her SSDI benefits are being paid for. 
That’s exactly my scenario. Tell me, please, which of the following made me irresponsible:
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[li]When I was diagnosed with an auto-immune disorder, which could be neither predicted nor prevented, when I was a teenager?[/li][li]When I worked my butt off and got a partial scholarship to an excellent private college and took out loans (like 86% of all American college students) to be able to attend?[/li][li]When I got an excellent full-time job with great benefits and opportunity for advancement?[/li][li]When I made a habit of paying cash for the things I wanted (including my car) and carrying absolutely no consumer debt from month to month?[/li][li]When my home and car were broken into/burgled while I traveled on business, costing me $5,000 out of pocket ($2,500 deductible on auto and home policies) to repair the car damage and replace my stolen items?[/li][li]When I had an unexpected $1,100 car repair the very next month?[/li][li]When I was laid off from work two months after that, before I was able to replenish the $6,100 hit my savings had taken?[/li][li]When I had to opt against COBRA coverage, which was 2X+ my income from unemployment and would’ve eaten up my remaining savings within three months (leaving me unable to pay daily expenses to keep my home and radical expenses like food and heat and electricity)?[/li][li]When I became seriously ill during my unemployment (nothing to do with my auto-immune disorder, nor my “lifestyle” or any “habits” save having a digestive system) and had to have emergency, lifesaving surgery?[/li][li]When I incurred more than $60,000 total in medical debt due to hospitalizations after that surgery, because of complications?[/li][li]When I got a job afterward that does not offer insurance coverage because I’m an independent contractor like every person who does my particular job in this entire region of the country?[/li][/ol]
Because of Point 1, during my last insurance shopping excursion (3 weeks ago, I always live in hope) I found that I may be eligible for a plan that would still leave me with tens of thousands of dollars of debt if I were to need surgery or even just several days of hospitalization because it caps daily payout at $1,200 including hospital costs, practioner fees and non-surgical testing. This coverage would, in itself, cost me $9.348 a year, plus the $1,000 deductible (which is actually more than I spend in a year on medical expenses).
And because of Point 10, the tens of thousands of dollars of medical debt I already have (I’ve been paying it off for 5 years and will be paying for at least another 2) I really cannot take on another $9k+ annual obligation without compromising my already frugal standard of living or giving short-shrift to my retirement savings, which are very important because of Point 11. I don’t get employer contributions or a pension plan so the responsibility to make sure I have enough money to live on in my future is entirely on my shoulders.
Of course, it may all be moot, because, I reiterate, of Point 1. There is no guarantee that even that ridiculously limited policy may be denied me.
Purchasing a vehicle for ten grand down plus monthly payments is not equivalent to purchasing a vehicle for $10000. Purchasing a used vehicle for a quarter of its original price is hardly equivalent to purchasing the vehicle for its original price.
Do you really believe that the person who spent $10,000 on a used SUV has made the same choices as the person who spent $40,000 on a new SUV, simply because both people ended up with an SUV?
In Germany’s case, their health plan has been working for over a century, dating back to 1883.
Well, I’ve never “taken” anything from the system. I’ve put in all my life. Steady constant employment, paying taxes, paying the Socoal Security “deductions” etc. I’ve got a retirement plan, and a small nest egg.
But, if it all went to shit, it would be nice to know that there was a way out, a safety net of some sort.
None of that “We took what we need from you, we no longer need you, so die”.
That’s what you are advocating, once we get past the smoke and mirrors.
If the government is not going to govern, if it is not going to deal with the “common welfare”, “public wellbeing” etc, then who needs a government at all? It’s like a contract. We obey laws and pay taxes. In return, we expect something back (within sane budgetary and administrative constraints).
Do you mean that? I mean, if the general welfare of the populace were a concern of the federal government, don’t you think they’d have put it into the Constitution? Or at least the introduction to it?
Oh, wait a minute…
Hmmmm. Good point, Maybe we need
A cite! 
Do your own research to back up my claims!
Crafter_Man would still have to do battle against all those “socialists” in his own state.
(I don’t think “socialist” means what he thinks it means.)