The irony of the same Republicans forced the husband of a woman in a persistent vegetative state to keep paying huge sums of money to keep her "alive" is astounding. It really is all about politics with them.
http://www.theseminal.com/2009/03/03/the-founding-fathers-did-not-want-large-corporations/ Strange that our founding fathers were very concerned about corporate power. Yet they have evolved into financial and political powerhouses that dominate us. Yet somehow people are comfortable with that. Yet people argue that our forefathers had a stance on health care which was not even a concept at the time. Anyone who argues our originators would be against health care are just making shit up. Arguing that they did not see us in this experiment together would be ignoring the common welfare concept. they actually said that in the preamble. Yet that should be ignored? Their fear of corporations on the other hand should be dismissed?
No. Knowing that he was going to have an ongoing serious health issue, they should have planned for his future. Apparently, they didn’t.
You do know that not everything is about you, don’t you?
Boy you are really losing it aren’t you? How many times have I said that I never have a problem with people that earn these things? But of course you need to ignore that or otherwise you wouldn’t be able to work up such a lovely head of steam.
I am going to start listing the logic that I have had to repeat over and over. This one will be #1. I used it recently, in the thread, go look for it.
Why would you think that? If the government hadn’t taken that money from me all those years, I’d have been able to put more to retirement. I wonder what $70,000 would be now…
Note that I used the word “everything”. I obviously do not demand that you prove everything you say. I actually do very little of it.
This will be logical response #2 but I’ll give you some help here and not make you look for it - I have said many times that I am aware that not everyone who needs aid has been irresponsible.
I suppose I just couldn’t believe that there would be someone that stupid stubborn out there.
Keep trying, someday you’ll get it right.
Because the value of investments never goes anywhere but up. :rolleyes:
That’s fair, since you seem unable to provide citations for your own assertions.
Thanks to the unclear antecedent, you might actually be right about this.
Approximately $35,000. At least that’s what our $70,000 is right now. Of course, I’m nowhere near retirement age, so that’s good.
If your understanding of entitlement programs is anything to go by, probably $2.95 and an empty propane tank.
That’s because it’s magical curlcoat world: investments never go anywhere but up, $26,000 is enough to cover any medical emergency (and if it’s not, it doesn’t matter as long as you have the magic BLUE card), and everyone who goes bankrupt had to be some sort of deadbeat.
Back in the day there was no way to know before he was born that he would have any sort of problem at all. How do you prepare for something you can’t see coming? Oh, yes… savings, insurance… well, the Marines gave them health insurance, but I fail to see how you could possibly expect a young couple in their early 20’s to have saved enough money to cover the lifetime care of someone with a severe disability.
Oh, yes - the above example was about my husband, not about me - do try to keep up dear. Do you need me to type slower so you can?
Aw, just admit it - you’re living off other peoples’ tax money. Either that, or you’re taking other peoples’ tax money when you don’tneed it.
If you invested with the wrong people it might be zero - just ask Bernie Madoff’s clients how well their “sure thing” worked out.
Funny - we all keep saying that about you. Except I don’t think you’re just stupid, you’ve also displayed appalling ignorance in this thread as well.
Sigh - have you read the thread at all? Or are you just accepting what Broomstick bleats out?
a) I am not against “the system”, I am against being expected to be happy to pay for another handout for our generations of welfare families and just general irresponsible twits.
b) I am well aware that the government didn’t hold the money I paid into SS aside just for me, and that they didn’t invest it or anything intelligent. I am also aware that they took those tens of thousands of dollars from me over the years, meaning I couldn’t add it to my retirement funds. If I were the rich person that Broomstick seems to think I am, I could just wave those tens of thousands aside, but since I’m not…
c) It’s not likely I will live long enough to take $90,000 out, much less the lost interest. Even if I do, the mere fact that I worked at least one job for over 35 years means I have far more right to any overage than people who have children they cannot afford, run up huge debt and then expect that someone else will deal with it or buy houses they had to have known they couldn’t afford.
Anybody else that asks these same questions again can just refer back to this post.
What about it? You want me to create debt to pay my bills?
You didn’t put in $90,000, or anywhere close to it, even if you were making $100,000 a year. You may have put that much into Social Security en toto, but I doubt it.
See my previous post.
You also have far more right to any overage than leprechauns who foolishly invested in unicorn farms. Start giving cites for all these CRAZY WELFARE MAMAS OH NOES or shut your fucking ignorant, rich, entitled mouth, you disgusting waste of meat.
Read the thread and stop repeating the same stupidity that others are.
And you have some idea that I am not paying taxes? In Orange County of all places??
How you got any of that out of anything I’ve said, I don’t know.
I and others would have a much easier time accepting this if you didn’t continue to assert that most people who need assistance are “welfare families and just general irresponsible twits.” Either back up your assertion or accept (as supported by other posters’ cites) that most people who need assistance are remarkably similar to you in their values and behavior.
It’s apparent to me from the way you continue to assert that most people who need assistance are just selfish, lazy, irresponsible people who brought their hardship on themselves, even after it’s been shown to you that this is not true.
I don’t get the impression people in this thread are too concerned with what makes you happy. After reading what you have to say, your unhappiness would be a side benefit of healthcare reform.
You do? I’d like to see where this right is codified. Chapter and verse, if you please. I think you’re confusing what you think you deserve with an actual right.
Ah. Your post is your cite. I see that phrase bandied about a lot, and it’s not often complimentary.
There has to be a pony! Look at all the horse shit! 
Rand apparently hasn’t come back to this thread since page 11 or thereabouts.
Could there be a better gift?
Retard: he’s saying that you’re already paying taxes for the shiftless hordes of welfare mothers to use the freeways, water, and energy, which you don’t seem to have a problem with, but when it comes to UHC, suddenly it’s a whole different concept in your opinion. Or, to put it in your own terms, you’re benefitting from my tax dollars (since I’m a Californian). And I hate Orange County - why should my money go to pay for your asshole freeways? Waaaaahhhhhh!
Shit, show me how that wasn’t what you said (not verbatim, of course). That seemed to be a pretty accurate summation of your views, IMHO.
Yay, Curlcoat’s finally up to replying to posts made 2 days ago. She should be done with this thread in about a week.