# AOC may be out of a job **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [February 25, 2020, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513 "2020-02-25T21:00:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2020, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/21 "2020-02-25T22:25:08Z")
> [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > How would this work exactly? Imagine there is a state with 2 districts only. To combine in one, you simply remove the dividing line. How then do you decide which Rep goes and which stays? As pointed out you would have a primary between the two Representatives. What tends to happen is that the dominant party would try to draw the lines to eliminate a position from the other party anyways. If there was a primary AOC would have a very good shot at winning it, so I don’t think she’d immediately think of jumping to a Senate run. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2020, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/22 "2020-02-25T22:57:07Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > AOCs district is half Bronx and half queens. The Bronx half is her constituency. If they really want her out, they can effectively make her reintroduce herself to a whole new constituency but this time none will take her fr granted [That simply isn’t true.](https://theintercept.com/2018/07/01/ocasio-cortez-data-suggests-that-gentrifying-neighborhoods-powered-alexandria-ocasio-cortezs-victory-over-the-democratic-establishment/) AOC did better in Queens than she did in the Bronx. This wasn’t a ‘conventional wisdom’ primary result. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2020, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/23 "2020-02-26T13:48:25Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > She may lose her seat even if it isn’t redistricted. She’s apparently not very popular at home, if you believe the [Washington Examiner](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/poll-aoc-unliked-untrusted-unwanted-in-her-own-ny-district): > > One caveat: the poll appears to have been sponsored by an anti-AOC group. But it still doesn’t bode well for her. And the poll was conducted by a group called “Mobilize the Message” which is a funny name for a pollster. Googling them doesn’t turn up much. I wouldn’t just take this poll with a bag of salt; I’d just chuck it into the garbage. But I guess the readers of the Washington Examiner are suckers for crap like this that confirms their prejudices. The question is why a Doper would bother to cite an article in an extremely biased publication, about a poll sponsored by a blatantly biased organization, conducted by a ‘pollster’ with a name that sounds more like the name of an activist group, that barely seems to have existed outside of conducting this poll. (Yeah, I know the last wasn’t immediately obvious, but the first three should have sufficed.) ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2020, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/24 "2020-02-26T13:55:15Z")
If the Democratic Party is stupid enough to even consider redistricting one of the party’s rising stars out of her seat, it goes a long way to explain why the party is so fucking _ineffective_. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2020, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/25 "2020-02-26T13:59:32Z")
The guy who conducted that poll is Justin Greiss, who is basically a Rand Paul acolyte and general crackpot. [Link.](https://twitter.com/libertygreiss?lang=en) Why anyone would think of him as running a poll that should be cared about is silly. And I’m not an AOC fan myself. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2020, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/26 "2020-02-26T14:01:59Z")
Push polls aren’t actually polls. Garbage in = garbage out. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2020, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/27 "2020-02-27T14:46:21Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > As pointed out you would have a primary between the two Representatives. What tends to happen is that the dominant party would try to draw the lines to eliminate a position from the other party anyways. > > If there was a primary AOC would have a very good shot at winning it, so I don’t think she’d immediately think of jumping to a Senate run. It’s all Democratic. It’s Democrats trying to figure out which one of them has to leave the delegation. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2020, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/28 "2020-02-27T14:53:02Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > [That simply isn’t true.](https://theintercept.com/2018/07/01/ocasio-cortez-data-suggests-that-gentrifying-neighborhoods-powered-alexandria-ocasio-cortezs-victory-over-the-democratic-establishment/) > > AOC did better in Queens than she did in the Bronx. This wasn’t a ‘conventional wisdom’ primary result. Wow. Color me shocked. Queens is Crowley’s home turf and AOC seemed to be running a Bronx campaign. I thought it was weird that so many low income residents in her district were upset about Amazon headquarters jobs. If they’re really young millennials then I can see where that sentiment came from. Anyways, I don’t live there any more but most of the folks I know there are kind of confused by how AOC is their representative. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2020, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/29 "2020-02-27T14:54:25Z")
Currently 5 of New York’s 27 congressmen are Republican. > **[New York Senators, Representatives, and Congressional District Maps -...](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/NY#representatives)** > > Find your U.S. Congress senators and representative in New York using a map. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2020, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/30 "2020-02-27T14:55:00Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Push polls aren’t actually polls. Garbage in = garbage out. Yeah, this seems like a push poll to me too. Just reminding people that AOC cost them tens of thousands of jobs that they probably didn’t want anyways but at least she is proposing practical solutions to their problems like the Green New Deal. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2020, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/31 "2020-02-27T15:01:01Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Currently 5 of New York’s 27 congressmen are Republican. > [New York Senators, Representatives, and Congressional District Maps - GovTrack.us](https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/NY#representatives) NY is poised to lose 2 congressional seats. It’s tough to see how they will squeeze out 2 more Republicans in upstate New York, Long Island and Staten island in a state that only went 60% Democrat in the last presidential election. How much more gerrymandered can you get? I think they are looking at losing at least one Democrat, probably two. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2020, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/32 "2020-02-27T15:11:27Z")
The 27th is currently vacant and it seems to usually go Republican too. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2020, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/33 "2020-02-27T21:33:21Z")
How exactly do you chop up Buffalo so it goes Democrat? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2020, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/34 "2020-02-27T21:39:33Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > How exactly do you chop up Buffalo so it goes Democrat? Dude, they have software for gerrymandering now. Quit acting like you can eyeball it. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2020, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/35 "2020-02-27T21:49:42Z")
Well, I have no big feelings about her one way or another, but I won’t lament the demise of the district per se, since it looks the most un-natural of all of New York’s relatively reasonable districts --which are the height of sanity compared to a lot of states. In other states, her district would be one of the _more_ reasonably-drawn ones. (Which isn’t to say there aren’t weird-looking situations if you look at culture and influence zones rather than just looking to make sure there are compact, straight lines, for instance, Ithaca doesn’t seem particularly close to Jamestown, and there’s no particular reason the Finger Lakes region should be split between the Southern Tier, Syracuse, and the Buffalo Suburbs while being completely cut off from Rochester, but at least they don’t zigzag across the East River.) ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2020, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/36 "2020-02-27T22:11:15Z")
The [10th Congressional District](https://statisticalatlas.com/congressional-district/New-York/Congressional-District-10/Overview) looks pretty funny looking too. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2020, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/37 "2020-02-27T22:21:02Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > If the Democratic Party is stupid enough to even consider redistricting one of the party’s rising stars out of her seat, it goes a long way to explain why the party is so fucking _ineffective_. When one of their rising stars doesn’t believe in the party and starts a PAC to fight against incumbent democrats as well as republicans it becomes more believable. > **[AOC Says Democratic Party Is 'Center-Conservative Party'](https://www.newsweek.com/aoc-says-democratic-party-center-conservative-party-adds-we-dont-have-left-party-us-1483218)** > > "We can't even get a floor vote on Medicare for All, not even a floor vote that gets voted down," the progressive congresswoman from New York said. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2020, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/38 "2020-02-27T23:24:08Z")
From the map, the 7th, 14th and very specially the 10th districts could take some rationalization in a future redistribution. But with seats getting lost I only foresee more creative land surveying to protect valued members. If the Justice Democrats efforts cost some seats of other well established members with valuable seniority (which is what bringeth home the bacon), I suspect the New York state legislature from both sides of the aisle will not go out of their way to diagram Miss OC a friendly safe territory. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2020, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/39 "2020-02-27T23:32:34Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > When one of their rising stars doesn’t believe in the party and starts a PAC to fight against incumbent democrats as well as republicans it becomes more believable. > > [AOC Says Democratic Party Is 'Center-Conservative Party,' Adds 'We Don't Have a Left Party' in The U.S.](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/aoc-says-democratic-party-center-conservative-party-adds-we-dont-have-left-party-us-1483218%3famp=1) So far she’s only targeted shitty Democrats in safely blue districts. Why is that a bad thing? If the party sets itself against young, talented, and energetic progressives, it has no future. We should be ecstatic that someone as amazingly talented at such a young age is a Democrat. In 15 years she could be the next Obama. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2020, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/40 "2020-02-28T00:05:49Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > So far she’s only targeted shitty Democrats in safely blue districts. Why is that a bad thing? > > If the party sets itself against young, talented, and energetic progressives, it has no future. We should be ecstatic that someone as amazingly talented at such a young age is a Democrat. In 15 years she could be the next Obama. She is so far left of Obama that they might as well be in a different party. Which is her point. I don’t see a problem with most of the party not wanting to be made into a far left party. If you are on the far left good for you but don’t expect everyone to follow along just because someone is popular or energetic. The future doesn’t have to be on the far left. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513.md?page=3)