# AOC may be out of a job **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [February 25, 2020, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513 "2020-02-25T21:00:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2020, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/41 "2020-02-28T00:09:46Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > She is so far left of Obama that they might as well be in a different party. Which is her point. I don’t see a problem with most of the party not wanting to be made into a far left party. If you are on the far left good for you but don’t expect everyone to follow along just because someone is popular or energetic. The future doesn’t have to be on the far left. From reading Obama’s books, he was pretty close to that far left at her age. Give her some time to learn about politics and about the party. No need to pile on her so soon – she’s just a House rep. And a particularly talented and energetic one. So far she hasn’t done a single thing to harm the party. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2020, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/42 "2020-02-28T01:25:48Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > From reading Obama’s books, he was pretty close to that far left at her age. Give her some time to learn about politics and about the party. No need to pile on her so soon – she’s just a House rep. And a particularly talented and energetic one. > > So far she hasn’t done a single thing to harm the party. If she’s not harming the party, why are the Democratic PTB talking about getting her out? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2020, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/43 "2020-02-28T01:27:30Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > If she’s not harming the party, why are the Democratic PTB talking about getting her out? I see no reason to believe they are. The OP’s link sounds like rumor and innuendo at best. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2020, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/44 "2020-02-28T01:29:39Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I see no reason to believe they are. The OP’s link sounds like rumor and innuendo at best. You’re right, that’s possible. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2020, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/45 "2020-02-28T01:56:46Z")
Dems are better the further left they get. The alternative is to be more right. What ideas are there going to be from the right? Rightward is careening towards full oligarchy now and the guardrails are being stripped for scrap. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2020, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/46 "2020-02-28T02:23:51Z")
AOC is a rock star. She’s going to lead the future of the party. She isn’t going anywhere. Some of the best evidence of this is all of the effort her opponents take to make it seem like she is unpopular at home or a pariah within the party\*. It is to laugh. \*Do I think the powers that be sometimes want to rein her in? Yeah, because it’s not always good politics to be confrontational or say what you mean. But do they want her out? Not a chance. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2020, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/47 "2020-02-28T03:17:24Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > So far she’s only targeted shitty Democrats in safely blue districts. Why is that a bad thing? How was Joe Crowley a shitty Democrat? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2020, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/48 "2020-02-28T03:18:35Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > Dems are better the further left they get. The alternative is to be more right. What ideas are there going to be from the right? Rightward is careening towards full oligarchy now and the guardrails are being stripped for scrap. And you want the jump the guardrails on the other side? ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2020, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/49 "2020-02-28T03:25:57Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > Dems are better the further left they get. The alternative is to be more right. What ideas are there going to be from the right? Rightward is careening towards full oligarchy now and the guardrails are being stripped for scrap. Far left and far right are not the only choices. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2020, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/50 "2020-02-28T04:13:10Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Far left and far right are not the only choices. Can you give an example of a rightward advance for society good for the US today? Aren’t we suffering a lot from the right wing decisions at every level of the last 50 years and to extreme degrees of volatility and danger. How can you get more rightward and not destroy the country? It has to be given that we need to live together plurastically, save the climate, and bring power to the people, the voters and citizens, and away from concentrations, combines and corporations. How do the republicans address this at all? ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2020, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/51 "2020-02-28T04:21:13Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > And you want the jump the guardrails on the other side? The thing about responsive govt is that it is supposed to provide guardrails built in, a balance so to speak, if we can keep it. (Wow! What a concept) The left has always had the publics back, for one thing with the regulatory agencies that are in the publics interest, and that the Rs are dismantling and denuding. The right has sold out and abandoned every aspect of it’s average voters existence. By that measure of utility what is their reason for existing? ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2020, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/52 "2020-02-28T04:49:47Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > Can you give an example of a rightward advance for society good for the US today? Aren’t we suffering a lot from the right wing decisions at every level of the last 50 years and to extreme degrees of volatility and danger. How can you get more rightward and not destroy the country? > > It has to be given that we need to live together plurastically, save the climate, and bring power to the people, the voters and citizens, and away from concentrations, combines and corporations. How do the republicans address this at all? I’m sorry, where did I say anything about a rightward advance? ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2020, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/53 "2020-02-28T06:06:14Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I see no reason to believe they are. The OP’s link sounds like rumor and innuendo at best. I did state that there was a lot of conjecture there, but the part that isn’t conjecture is that New York will be losing at least one seat and plenty of educated guesses that they will be down by two. [10 states set to lose congressional districts after 2020 census](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/2020-census-10-states-could-lose-congressional-district-after-census-analysis-finds/) The conjecture of course is that AOC will be one of them based on the way she is antagonizing her own party. So who do you think will be cleaning out their desk(s) if not AOC? I’m not familiar enough with NY politics to have a meaningful opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2020, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/54 "2020-02-28T06:28:16Z")
In 2021, unlike in 2011, Democrats will likely have sole control over the redistricting process in New York, so the first targets for elimination will probably be the five Republicans. Only if that proves to be too risky will they turn to eliminating Democrats. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2020, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/55 "2020-02-28T07:08:38Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > I’m sorry, where did I say anything about a rightward advance? It’s hard to know what your’e saying when you reply with one liners–thought terminating cliches instead of conversation. But the rest of your posts are attacking AOC for going to the left, and thus pushing the Democrats to go further to the right instead. And he’s argued that the Democrats don’t have any further room to the right. You’re also continuing the myth that AOC is “far left” when she’s just on the left. The far left is communism, the far right is fascism. We are moving to the right in this country because we become more fascistic, but nothing AOC says moves us more towards communism. All AOC has done is put into policy positions the morals that all of us (at least we millennials) have been taught since birth. The environment is something we should care about and try to save the planet. Greed and corruption are bad. Large corporations don’t tend to care about the “little people” and need to be restricted. Selfishness is a vice, not a virtue. We should treat people who are different from us the same. That’s why I’m a Democrat in the first place. Democrats, in theory, support those things. But then, when someone actually comes out and says them, all of the sudden she’s bad and “far left.” So, yeah, we want the Democrats pushed back to where they were supposed to be all along, and not a party bowing down to corporate interests and busting unions. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2020, 7:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/56 "2020-02-28T07:43:18Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > But the rest of your posts are attacking AOC for going to the left, and thus pushing the Democrats to go further to the right instead. And he’s argued that the Democrats don’t have any further room to the right. > > You’re also continuing the myth that AOC is “far left” when she’s just on the left. The far left is communism, the far right is fascism. We are moving to the right in this country because we become more fascistic, but nothing AOC says moves us more towards communism. I’m speaking clearly and plainly. You are making up the “thus.” There is nothing in what I said that implied that the Democrats have to go right because she is going further left. There is nothing in reality that says the party has to go right because she is going left. There is no thus. She has a problem with the Democratic Party. She has stated it plainly and recently. She wants to fight against members of her own party. She backed of a bit after Pelosi spoke to her but with her new PAC she looks to be heading back in that direction. So far it’s one democrat she is trying to unseat. Do you think it will stay that way? She is far left. Maybe there is a little wiggle room on the shoulder but she is definitely in the left lane. She’s a socialist. She doesn’t believe in capitalism. She’s for redistribution of wealth. She thinks the majority of the party is actually the Conservative party. All things she has said recently. It is my hope the the Democratic Party will give the country sanity. She seems more intent on splitting the party than anything else. That’s not the path to sanity. But she’s energetic. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2020, 8:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/57 "2020-02-28T08:50:39Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > How was Joe Crowley a shitty Democrat? He wasn’t. And there’s absolutely nothing wrong with young, energetic and talented progressives running for Democratic office in safe blue seats, even against other Democrats. I was talking about what AOC has done since being elected. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2020, 8:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/58 "2020-02-28T08:52:38Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > It is my hope the the Democratic Party will give the country sanity. She seems more intent on splitting the party than anything else. That’s not the path to sanity. But she’s energetic. God what alarmist hyperbole. Why are you so worried about a young, talented, energetic progressive, who hasn’t done a single thing to damage the party? ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2020, 10:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/59 "2020-02-28T10:04:52Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > God what alarmist hyperbole. Why are you so worried about a young, talented, energetic progressive, who hasn’t done a single thing to damage the party? It’s her success - and that of the widening progressive movement - that has conservatives so worried. Best to cut her down before she gets too popular. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2020, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/60 "2020-02-28T16:58:19Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > I’m sorry, where did I say anything about a rightward advance? I said advances must be leftward, and rightward is backwards. You responded to me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513.md?page=4)