# AOC may be out of a job **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [February 25, 2020, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513 "2020-02-25T21:00:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/101 "2020-03-11T16:26:43Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > The tea party was full of energetic people too. They ran the most conservative person they could find in every safe red seat. it was not good for the country but a lot of far right conservatives are happy with the results. Yes, the far right is bad – morally and for the country. The “far left” (or at least those like AOC), on the other hand, are good – morally and for the country. So more AOC-style politicians and success would be good for the country. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/102 "2020-03-11T16:43:03Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Democracy. > > Extreme left liberals are certainly not helping the situation. Saying this is 2020 is an absurd distraction from the actual situation. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/103 "2020-03-11T17:48:37Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Were tea partiers that primaried moderate Republicans helping Republicans or helping Democrats? Republicans, obviously. How is this even a question? Do you think the Tea Part hurt the Republican party as a whole? Please keep in mind, the question is “help the Republican party,” not “help the country.” Obviously, I feel that the Tea Party led to awful policies, but that’s not a function of the Tea Party’s distance from the American political center, that’s a function of the general awfulness of conservative politics, which the Tea Party distilled to it’s purest essence. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/104 "2020-03-11T20:48:50Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I don’t know why you’re so hung up on Crowley. I like AOC better than Crowley, and I’m glad she ran and won. If you want to encourage guys like Crowley to run in safe blue districts, feel free. I’d prefer if safe blue districts had more like AOC and fewer like Crowley. I’m hung up on Crowley because it illustrates the ideological purity that the left is looking for. Crowley was a progressive by every measure. Even someone like you can’t really find fault with him. He just didn’t buy into the crazier more self destructive aspects of far left ideology. Fortunately, it appears that the Democratic party is rejecting the far left ideology that AOC represents and i look forward to her losing her seat in the next election as people actually pay attention this time around. I was sort of hoping that Crowley’s neice would mobilize his sizable political machine to unseat AOC but it appears she is going to the top county spot. I’m not sure she could win but I’d send her money if she ran because AOC is bad for the district, bad for the party and bad for the country. We need more people like her in the party but not in office. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/105 "2020-03-11T20:53:34Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Yes, the far right is bad – morally and for the country. The “far left” (or at least those like AOC), on the other hand, are good – morally and for the country. So more AOC-style politicians and success would be good for the country. That is just your opinion. Aside from the racism, I’m not sure how the far left is so much better than the far right. Racism is no small thing and it keeps me on the left side of the aisle and I would support AOC over a Republican these days but if it was a George HW Bush or John McCain in the white house, I might feel differently. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/106 "2020-03-11T21:07:02Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Republicans, obviously. How is this even a question? Do you think the Tea Part hurt the Republican party as a whole? Please keep in mind, the question is “help the Republican party,” not “help the country.” Obviously, I feel that the Tea Party led to awful policies, but that’s not a function of the Tea Party’s distance from the American political center, that’s a function of the general awfulness of conservative politics, which the Tea Party distilled to it’s purest essence. And some people might say that the Justice Democrats are distilling the worst parts of liberal policy to its purest essence. ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/107 "2020-03-11T21:09:32Z")
Yes a conservative would dislike justice Democrats, and a liberal would dislike tea party Republicans. Not that deep of an insight. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/108 "2020-03-11T22:10:22Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I’m hung up on Crowley because it illustrates the ideological purity that the left is looking for. Crowley was a progressive by every measure. Even someone like you can’t really find fault with him. He just didn’t buy into the crazier more self destructive aspects of far left ideology. > > Fortunately, it appears that the Democratic party is rejecting the far left ideology that AOC represents and i look forward to her losing her seat in the next election as people actually pay attention this time around. I was sort of hoping that Crowley’s neice would mobilize his sizable political machine to unseat AOC but it appears she is going to the top county spot. I’m not sure she could win but I’d send her money if she ran because AOC is bad for the district, bad for the party and bad for the country. We need more people like her in the party but not in office. There’s no “purity”. I liked Crowley fine. I just like AOC better. We replaced a good model for a better model, and in a safe blue district. I would vote for Crowley against a Republican (if I lived in that district), and I’d vote for AOC over Crowley. And AOC is right that her “side” is winning on the issues – Democrats overwhelmingly favor UHC, a much higher minimum wage, higher taxes on the wealthy, climate change action, etc. Most of that is due to Bernie and allies. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/109 "2020-03-11T22:13:16Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > That is just your opinion. Aside from the racism, I’m not sure how the far left is so much better than the far right. Racism is no small thing and it keeps me on the left side of the aisle and I would support AOC over a Republican these days but if it was a George HW Bush or John McCain in the white house, I might feel differently. I don’t understand your argument here. AOC and allies are so much better than the tea party because their preferred policies would make American lives’ better with more fairness and equity, and the tea party would do the opposite. I’m sure they disagree, but why is this notable? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2020, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/110 "2020-03-12T00:59:50Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > And some people might say that the Justice Democrats are distilling the worst parts of liberal policy to its purest essence. People say a lot of stupid shit. What of it? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2020, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/111 "2020-03-12T21:05:07Z")
> [@Chingon](#): > > Yes a conservative would dislike justice Democrats, and a liberal would dislike tea party Republicans. Not that deep of an insight. Never said it was. Would you like to share one of your deep insights? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2020, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/112 "2020-03-13T16:24:52Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I don’t understand your argument here. AOC and allies are so much better than the tea party because their preferred policies would make American lives’ better with more fairness and equity, and the tea party would do the opposite. I’m sure they disagree, but why is this notable? I suppose I’m just pointing out that your opinion is not fact. That is the entire point behind democracy. Your opinion counts no more and no less than a conservative’s opinion. You’re both probably wrong in some ways but we are relying on the social contract of democracy and the wisdom of the masses to get us to the right place. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2020, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/113 "2020-03-13T16:25:53Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > There’s no “purity”. I liked Crowley fine. I just like AOC better. We replaced a good model for a better model, and in a safe blue district. I would vote for Crowley against a Republican (if I lived in that district), and I’d vote for AOC over Crowley. > > And AOC is right that her “side” is winning on the issues – Democrats overwhelmingly favor UHC, a much higher minimum wage, higher taxes on the wealthy, climate change action, etc. Most of that is due to Bernie and allies. If her “side” is the far left then almost all of the things you list were already mainstream Democrat/liberal before she ever got elected. Crowley supports UHC, Crowley supports a much higher minimum wage, Crowley supports higher taxes on the wealthy, Crowley supports climate change action, etc. Most of that happens regardless of Bernie. The difference between mainstream Democrats and the Justice Democrats isn’t things like UHC generally. It’s how radically you want to depart from what we have now. For example. Mainstream Democrats seem to be in favor of a more incremental approach: public option, expanded medicaid, health insurance subsidies. The far left want government to more or less take over the health care sector. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2020, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/114 "2020-03-13T16:27:26Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > People say a lot of stupid shit. What of it? And some people would say that criticizing the tea party is stupid shit and that the tea party made the Republican party better and made America better. Your opinions are just that. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2020, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/115 "2020-03-13T17:00:36Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I suppose I’m just pointing out that your opinion is not fact. That is the entire point behind democracy. Your opinion counts no more and no less than a conservative’s opinion. You’re both probably wrong in some ways but we are relying on the social contract of democracy and the wisdom of the masses to get us to the right place. So what? How does this affect this discussion? Yes, I think I’m right and the tea party is wrong. And water is wet and the sky is blue. What does such an obvious and mundane fact have to do with this discussion? ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2020, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/116 "2020-03-13T18:18:43Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > So what? How does this affect this discussion? Yes, I think I’m right and the tea party is wrong. And water is wet and the sky is blue. What does such an obvious and mundane fact have to do with this discussion? He is trying to equivocate and erase the realpolitik differences between left and right to spam lefties and get his jollies. Without identifying as a conservative. It’s getting to be as ridiculous as the potus and his coronavirus. And headed the same way. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2020, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/117 "2020-03-13T19:45:33Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > So what? How does this affect this discussion? Yes, I think I’m right and the tea party is wrong. And water is wet and the sky is blue. What does such an obvious and mundane fact have to do with this discussion? The aspect of the tea party I was focusing non was extremists pushing out moderates. Your excuse for why this is OK is that you like AOC’s brand of extremism. It doesn’t really address whether she is doing what i say she is doing. Which is exactly what the tea party did. You just happen to think it’s OK for the extreme left to take over the Democratic party but it was a bad thing for the tea party to do the same with the Republicans. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2020, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/118 "2020-03-13T19:50:46Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > The aspect of the tea party I was focusing non was extremists pushing out moderates. Your excuse for why this is OK is that you like AOC’s brand of extremism. It doesn’t really address whether she is doing what i say she is doing. Which is exactly what the tea party did. > > You just happen to think it’s OK for the extreme left to take over the Democratic party but it was a bad thing for the tea party to do the same with the Republicans. She’s not extremist. And so far she hasn’t done anything bad. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2020, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/119 "2020-03-13T20:14:47Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > And some people would say that criticizing the tea party is stupid shit and that the tea party made the Republican party better and made America better. Your opinions are just that. Do you even know what point you’re trying to make? Because I sure as fuck don’t. Take any opinion in the world, and “some people” are going to disagree with it. I can’t figure out how you figure this is a useful or relevant insight. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2020, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513/120 "2020-03-13T23:23:37Z")
He’s trying to get you to understand that if ice is bad then logically so is boiling water. Because they’re the same thing in his head. It’s wrong, but I get it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aoc-may-be-out-of-a-job/848513.md?page=7)