# AP News reports: Suspect in shooting death of Portland Trump supporter shot dead as federal officers tried to arrest him **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [September 4, 2020, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ap-news-reports-suspect-in-shooting-death-of-portland-trump-supporter-shot-dead-as-federal-officers-tried-to-arrest-him/919779 "2020-09-04T06:00:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Iggy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iggy/32/3364_2.png) [@Iggy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iggy)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ap-news-reports-suspect-in-shooting-death-of-portland-trump-supporter-shot-dead-as-federal-officers-tried-to-arrest-him/919779/1 "2020-09-04T06:00:43Z")
[APNews is reporting](https://apnews.com/f0418fd4a37be8d9b6953c8359109587) that the prime suspect in the Portland shooting death of Aaron “jay” Danielson was shot dead as federal authorities tried to arrest him. The suspect, Michael Reinoehl, pulled a gun on a federal law enforcement officer. The law enforcement officer fatally shot Reinoehl in the encounter near Lacey, WA. The AP cites as its source a “senior Justice Department official” who was not free to speak publicly about the incident. ---
**Author:** ![penultima\_thule](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penultima_thule/32/3833_2.png) [@penultima\_thule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/penultima_thule)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ap-news-reports-suspect-in-shooting-death-of-portland-trump-supporter-shot-dead-as-federal-officers-tried-to-arrest-him/919779/2 "2020-09-04T06:04:09Z")
Live by the sword, die by the sword. Or has he just achieved martyrdom? ---
**Author:** ![Iggy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iggy/32/3364_2.png) [@Iggy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iggy)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ap-news-reports-suspect-in-shooting-death-of-portland-trump-supporter-shot-dead-as-federal-officers-tried-to-arrest-him/919779/3 "2020-09-04T06:15:20Z")
Reinoehl had described himself as “100% ANTIFA” in a social media post according to the AP report. I would hazard to guess that in addition to more moderate responses there will be many wildly inappropriate reactions from the left and the right. I haven’t checked the comments section of partisan news sites but I imagine the vitriol is already flowing. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ap-news-reports-suspect-in-shooting-death-of-portland-trump-supporter-shot-dead-as-federal-officers-tried-to-arrest-him/919779/4 "2020-09-04T06:37:06Z")
This happened just a few blocks from my work. I do not look forward to dealing with the aftermath. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 10:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ap-news-reports-suspect-in-shooting-death-of-portland-trump-supporter-shot-dead-as-federal-officers-tried-to-arrest-him/919779/5 "2020-09-04T10:43:48Z")
Those fucking body cameras better have been turned on. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ap-news-reports-suspect-in-shooting-death-of-portland-trump-supporter-shot-dead-as-federal-officers-tried-to-arrest-him/919779/6 "2020-09-04T13:34:04Z")
From what I read he described himself as 100% anti-fascist but not a member of the ANTFA movement. My uncle was 100% antifascist as well, he landed on in Europe on D-Day+3 and started killing fascist until May of 1945. Still, going to a peaceful protest with a gun should be unlawful for both sides. Guns just make matters get out of control and have nothing to do with peaceful protesting. ---
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ap-news-reports-suspect-in-shooting-death-of-portland-trump-supporter-shot-dead-as-federal-officers-tried-to-arrest-him/919779/7 "2020-09-04T17:01:58Z")
> [@Si\_Amigo](#): > > Still, going to a peaceful protest with a gun should be unlawful for both sides. Guns just make matters get out of control and have nothing to do with peaceful protesting. Amen! ---
**Author:** ![3AxisCtrl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/ecd19e/32.png) [@3AxisCtrl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/3AxisCtrl)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ap-news-reports-suspect-in-shooting-death-of-portland-trump-supporter-shot-dead-as-federal-officers-tried-to-arrest-him/919779/8 "2020-09-04T18:21:22Z")
> [@Si\_Amigo](#): > > From what I read he described himself as 100% anti-fascist but not a member of the ANTFA movement. His instagram post is widely quoted as saying “I am 100% ANTIFA all the way!” > [@](#): > > Still, going to a peaceful protest with a gun should be unlawful for both sides. And it should be especially difficult for some one who has previous weapons violations (from this [LA Times article](https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-09-04/michael-reinoehl-suspect-portland-shooting-past-protests-confrontations)): > Reinoehl was also wanted on a warrant out of Baker County in eastern Oregon, where court records show he skipped a hearing related to a case in June in which he was charged with driving under the influence of controlled substances, reckless driving, reckless endangerment and unlawful possession of a firearm. ---
**Author:** ![3AxisCtrl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/ecd19e/32.png) [@3AxisCtrl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/3AxisCtrl)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ap-news-reports-suspect-in-shooting-death-of-portland-trump-supporter-shot-dead-as-federal-officers-tried-to-arrest-him/919779/9 "2020-09-04T18:24:48Z")
> [@Si\_Amigo](#): > > My uncle was 100% antifascist as well, he landed on in Europe on D-Day+3 and started killing fascist until May of 1945. For which we owe him a considerable debt of gratitude. Were he doing this today among civilians on the streets of a US city, our reaction would be a bit different. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ap-news-reports-suspect-in-shooting-death-of-portland-trump-supporter-shot-dead-as-federal-officers-tried-to-arrest-him/919779/10 "2020-09-04T18:30:04Z")
I told you he stopped killing them in 1945. He was still anti-fascist without being ANTFA up until he died last Christmas. ---
**Author:** ![3AxisCtrl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/ecd19e/32.png) [@3AxisCtrl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/3AxisCtrl)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ap-news-reports-suspect-in-shooting-death-of-portland-trump-supporter-shot-dead-as-federal-officers-tried-to-arrest-him/919779/11 "2020-09-04T18:35:23Z")
> [@Si\_Amigo](#): > > I told you he stopped killing them in 1945. And I believed you. My point would be that his actions from D-Day to 1945 are no sort of justification for what’s happening in Portland today. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ap-news-reports-suspect-in-shooting-death-of-portland-trump-supporter-shot-dead-as-federal-officers-tried-to-arrest-him/919779/12 "2020-09-04T18:43:23Z")
The killing on both sides are not justified yes. But anti-fascism in itself has not been seen as a crime, we fought a war against it is my point. I have seen news sources quoting him has saying he was not ANTFA, just anti-fascist. Even if a true statement how do you believe someone who brings a gun to a peaceful protest? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ap-news-reports-suspect-in-shooting-death-of-portland-trump-supporter-shot-dead-as-federal-officers-tried-to-arrest-him/919779/13 "2020-09-04T18:44:50Z")
No justification for Reinoehl’s actions, no. Plenty of justification for standing up against the fascists marching in our streets, though. If only Germany of the 1930’s had some more antifas. ---
**Author:** ![smilingbandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4491bb/32.png) [@smilingbandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smilingbandit)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2020, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ap-news-reports-suspect-in-shooting-death-of-portland-trump-supporter-shot-dead-as-federal-officers-tried-to-arrest-him/919779/14 "2020-09-04T21:15:28Z")
There were quite a few; unfortunately they were just as bad and in fact contributed heavily to bringing the Nazi party to power. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ap-news-reports-suspect-in-shooting-death-of-portland-trump-supporter-shot-dead-as-federal-officers-tried-to-arrest-him/919779/15 "2020-09-05T14:43:36Z")
So much for his “self defense” claim… > **[New images show Antifa activist 'lying in wait' before fatal shooting](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8700151/amp/New-images-Antifa-activist-lying-wait-fatal-shooting-pro-Trump-demonstrator.html)** > > Multnomah County District Attorney Mike Schmidt on Friday released the unsealed arrest warrant for Michael Forest Reinoehl, 48, who was killed by a fugitive task force in Washington state. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ap-news-reports-suspect-in-shooting-death-of-portland-trump-supporter-shot-dead-as-federal-officers-tried-to-arrest-him/919779/16 "2020-09-05T16:50:44Z")
[By contrast](https://apnews.com/f0418fd4a37be8d9b6953c8359109587), > [@](#): > > The documents said victim Aaron “Jay” Danielson, a supporter of a right-wing group called Patriot Prayer, was wearing a loaded Glock pistol in a holster and had bear spray and an expandable metal baton when someone said something like “wanna go,” which is frequently a challenge to a fight. It looks like the victim came ready-to-rumble. He may have incited the incident by using the bear spray. But, you know, he was a saint. According to his friends. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ap-news-reports-suspect-in-shooting-death-of-portland-trump-supporter-shot-dead-as-federal-officers-tried-to-arrest-him/919779/17 "2020-09-05T17:22:01Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Those fucking body cameras better have been turned on. Brace yourself, honey. Another article I read had a blue bigwig indicating he was unaware of ANY video of the ‘arrest’ attempt, including body cams. I am just as stunned as you are with that little nugget. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ap-news-reports-suspect-in-shooting-death-of-portland-trump-supporter-shot-dead-as-federal-officers-tried-to-arrest-him/919779/18 "2020-09-05T17:44:17Z")
Portland police don’t have bodycams: > **[Body cameras for Portland police put on the back burner again -- this time...](https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavirus/2020/04/body-cameras-for-portland-police-put-on-the-back-burner-again-this-time-because-of-coronavirus.html)** > > "It is highly unlikely that we will fund the body worn camera program this year,'' Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler told The Oregonian/OregonLive’s editorial board this week. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ap-news-reports-suspect-in-shooting-death-of-portland-trump-supporter-shot-dead-as-federal-officers-tried-to-arrest-him/919779/19 "2020-09-05T18:14:01Z")
The odd part of the story is that the officers that did the shooting were a WA Corrections officer, two Pierce County Sheriff’s Deputies and a Lakewood Police Officer. Lacey is in Thurston County, not terribly far from the Pierce County line but still a fair hike from Lakewood (a town in Pierce County). It would seem that those individuals were brought onboard because Pierce County is a hotbed of turmoil that breeds trigger-happiness. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2020, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ap-news-reports-suspect-in-shooting-death-of-portland-trump-supporter-shot-dead-as-federal-officers-tried-to-arrest-him/919779/20 "2020-09-05T19:02:55Z")
Germany did and they were called communists. An ideology that led and continues to lead to more death and suffering than the Nazis. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ap-news-reports-suspect-in-shooting-death-of-portland-trump-supporter-shot-dead-as-federal-officers-tried-to-arrest-him/919779.md?page=2)