# Apologies in order to SDMB member in light of new Ilhan Omar info? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 24, 2019, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971 "2019-06-24T15:43:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2019, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/61 "2019-06-24T19:53:15Z")
> [@Helmut\_Doork](#): > > The moderator clearly implied the thread was closed because it had to be trolling, the proof being the bit about her brother. > > The moderator apparently did not know that was the whole point of the thread, and that there is actually some reasonable belief this may have really happened for legal reasons. > > So it was closed because a person seeming not knowing the facts, and not bothering to read, saw “married her brother”, assumed it was a standard insult and closed it. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > **Shodan** wasn’t moderated for presenting “facts”, and the MST isn’t trolling because mentioning the existence of a conspiracy theory isn’t trolling. [Moderating] If anyone has an issue with the moderation on this board, the proper forum to debate it is ATMB, not the BBQ Pit. This thread is fine for discussing the reactions of posters to the thread in question. If it turns into a discussion about the appropriateness of the moderation, I will close this thread. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2019, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/62 "2019-06-24T19:53:25Z")
Not sure if this would be considered “talking about moderation” and posted at the same time as the note. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2019, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/63 "2019-06-24T19:53:37Z")
> [@Helmut\_Doork](#): > > Point is same facts used in the original SMDB thread are presented by the MST now, and no one is accusing them of baseless nonsense trolling. Would it make you feel better if I did? Because they’re fucking trolls, the lot of them. They are repeating unfounded accusations because it gets them attention. These are the same motherfuckers who kept repeating over and over the baseless accusations of Obama’s birth certificate, who implied Condit murdered Levy, and who will latch onto the next high profile scandal like a crocodile going for the kill. ---
**Author:** ![Helmut\_Doork](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e8c25b/32.png) [@Helmut\_Doork](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helmut_Doork)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2019, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/64 "2019-06-24T19:54:45Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > As far as I can tell from reading the entire thing, that article by bottom-barrel site PJ Media doesn’t actually offer any evidence that Omar married her brother. Just a series of odd sort of insinuations. It does offer, which is not debatable, that for what she says to be true, there is a person out there who she knows, who is completely missing from the planet, and no death certificate. Producing him would end this for most thinking persons. Is it possible in this age for investigative reporters to find no trace of such as a person if they exist? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2019, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/65 "2019-06-24T19:56:40Z")
> [@Helmut\_Doork](#): > > It does offer, which is not debatable, that for what she says to be true, there is a person out there who she knows, who is completely missing from the planet. Producing him would end this for most thinking persons. I’m not sure what you’re referring to (you’re not big on actually quoting what you’re referring to, are you), but the fact that no evidence has been presented for this ends this “for most thinking persons”. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2019, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/66 "2019-06-24T19:57:01Z")
> [@Helmut\_Doork](#): > > Producing him would end this for most thinking persons. Nah, we good. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2019, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/67 "2019-06-24T20:01:08Z")
I tbink the OP should apologize for not realizing that _brother_ is _immediate family relationship_ just as _husband_ is. And the OP should also apologize for weak trolling. ---
**Author:** ![Helmut\_Doork](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e8c25b/32.png) [@Helmut\_Doork](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helmut_Doork)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2019, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/68 "2019-06-24T20:10:53Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > I tbink the OP should apologize for not realizing that _brother_ is _immediate family relationship_ just as _husband_ is. And the OP should also apologize for weak trolling. In retrospect a poorly titled OP which has people focusing on the ‘you owe an apology’ part. Not my intent, as it takes away from the base message, which remains same now as then. Perhaps should have titled “Is the Omar story proof we process identical information differently based on our personal opinion of the source?” ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2019, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/69 "2019-06-24T20:14:40Z")
> [@Helmut\_Doork](#): > > Obama’s birth was questioned, he proved it. Remember how that settled the matter decisively, and how everyone who had been baselessly accusing him of being born in a foreign country apologized for questioning his legitimacy to hold office? Me neither. Nor does Omar, I suspect. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2019, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/70 "2019-06-24T20:22:03Z")
> [@Helmut\_Doork](#): > > Not my intent, as it takes away from the base message, which remains same now as then. That’s a pity. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2019, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/71 "2019-06-24T20:22:47Z")
I’m holding any further fire in this thread until I can determine if **Helmut Doork** is a sock, a runaway Freeper, or a Russian mail order bride enthusiast. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2019, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/72 "2019-06-24T20:29:25Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Remember how that settled the matter decisively, and how everyone who had been baselessly accusing him of being born in a foreign country apologized for questioning his legitimacy to hold office? Me neither. Nor does Omar, I suspect. Are Trump’s guys still in Hawaii looking for the proof? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2019, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/73 "2019-06-24T20:34:30Z")
> [@Helmut\_Doork](#): > > Most people on this board are most people in real life- same ones if polled would still tell you Gary Condit MUST be guilty, even though facts prove he wasn’t. Seriously? This is what you bring to the table? a nearly 20 year old incident that most people didn’t follow that closely when it was happening? 😕 What’s your fucking point, dude? Do you have facts, or just outrage? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2019, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/74 "2019-06-24T20:42:05Z")
I really hate the school vacation season in the US. Way too many bigots post asinine trolling nonsense here during that time. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2019, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/75 "2019-06-24T20:48:43Z")
Looking through the zone that others of the forum fear to tread, principally the sites PJMedia and Alpha News, there’s one note that Omar’s dad goes by the name “Nur Said” on his Facebook page. Assuming that this is in fact him, then that does seem to be true: > **[Log into Facebook](https://www.facebook.com/nur.said.3386)** > > Log into Facebook to start sharing and connecting with your friends, family, and people you know. One of the people who liked his photo is Ahmed Hirsi, who is clearly Omar’s husband: > **[Log into Facebook](https://www.facebook.com/SouthsideHirsi)** > > Log into Facebook to start sharing and connecting with your friends, family, and people you know. All official information about Omar’s dad says that his name is Nur Omar Mohamed but the indications are good that his name is also Nur Said Elmi Mohamed. It’s unclear to me why he would have both names, and I can’t independently corroborate that it’s true beyond the name he gives on Facebook, but it seems relatively plausible. Purportedly, they contacted an Elmi who lives in London and he wrote back confirming that an Instagram account was his but denying that he was the Elmi who married Omar and denying that he knew Omar, though confirming that it was him in a photo with Omar from some time ago (a photo in Omar’s instagram feed), but that he didn’t know who she was. He further said that his birthday is May 18th, 1985. > **[The Brother Ilhan Omar Legally Married Sends Alpha News an Email](https://alphanews.org/brother-ilhan-omar-married-send-email/)** > > Alpha News received several e-mails from Ahmed Nur Said Elmi, the man who is believed to be the “legal” husband of Ilhan Omar PJ Media notes that he posted photos of himself in the hospital where you can see his birthday on his wrist: > **[State Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN) Swore To Apparent Falsehoods in Court -- While...](https://pjmedia.com/homeland-security/david-steinberg/2018/08/08/state-rep-ilhan-omar-d-mn-swore-to-apparent-falsehoods-in-court-while-divorcing-her-alleged-brother-n100329)** > > Disturbing new evidence on the likely successor to Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN). I can’t confirm, as there’s no photo for that day on his feed at the moment. There is a photo from a few days earlier, where he posts some art that was done by a niece, which shows a face very similar to Omar’s: [https://www.instagram.com/ahmednelmi/](https://www.instagram.com/ahmednelmi/) To be fair, that could just be a picture of a girl/woman with “Somali” facial features. More notable is that he does seem to be interested in “nieces”. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2019, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/76 "2019-06-24T20:56:43Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Are Trump’s guys still in Hawaii looking for the proof? Did Trump even send investigators? It’s the HuffPost (2016), but: [There’s Still No Evidence That Trump Sent Investigators To Hawaii To Dig Up Dirt On Obama](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-hawaii-investigators_n_57dc3bffe4b04a1497b46da1) > [@](#): > > During the height of Donald Trump’s relentless birtherism in 2011, the reality TV star claimed he had personally sent investigators to Hawaii to uncover information about President Barack Obama’s birthplace and boasted that they couldn’t “believe what they’re finding.” > > But there’s no proof he ever did that. > > … > > When ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos asked him about the investigators later that month, Trump refused to say what they had found. > > “It’s none of your business right now,” he said. “We are going to see what happens.” > > CNN’s Anderson Cooper also confronted him about the investigation that month. > > “Can you name even one person who your investigators have talked to?” Cooper asked. > > “I don’t want to do that right now,” Trump said. “It’s not appropriate right now.” I’m so disappointed that Trump would tell an “un-truth”. SAD!!! On the other hand, if there never were any investigators, Trump is actually correct that I wouldn’t “believe what they’re finding”. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2019, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/77 "2019-06-24T20:57:08Z")
I meant this picture: [https://www.instagram.com/p/cE9vFSLj8q/](https://www.instagram.com/p/cE9vFSLj8q/) ---
**Author:** ![Helmut\_Doork](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e8c25b/32.png) [@Helmut\_Doork](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helmut_Doork)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2019, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/78 "2019-06-24T21:02:23Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > I really hate the school vacation season in the US. Way too many bigots post asinine trolling nonsense here during that time. If you are referring to me, but are not naming me because you are too superior or whatever the logic, if you want to lower yourself to respond directly to a post of mine, would be glad to see where you find bigotry? Did you read the OP where I made it quite clear I don’t give a fig about Rep. Omar, my point was to expose personal hypocrisy? ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2019, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/79 "2019-06-24T21:11:08Z")
I can’t corroborate most of the information that PJ Media and Alpha News have given, but even the names of the people who “liked” the photos in the screen caps check out. The spacing all looks good. The different way that people write comments all looks good. If they falsified all of this, then they’re pretty amazing at falsifying stuff. Some parts of the evidence stream, like school records, seem a little suspect. There’s no photos of the records and I don’t know that that sort of thing is publicly available? But it does feel like some images were scrubbed by the family and their friends and that some form of secret is being covered up so, while I wouldn’t call the existing evidence conclusive, the coverup does make me feel like it’s probably correct or near to correct. Personal guess: He’s a brother who somehow got sent to England when the rest of the family went to the UK. Maybe dad had two wives? But yeah, she likely married him for the purpose of getting him into the US for college. In the end, he decided to go back to England rather than stay here and he didn’t want to have to find work, after graduating, just so he could stay in the country long enough to formalize the divorce. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2019, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/80 "2019-06-24T21:13:24Z")
> [@Helmut\_Doork](#): > > my point was to expose personal hypocrisy? You have failed utterly. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971.md?page=5)