# Apologies in order to SDMB member in light of new Ilhan Omar info? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 24, 2019, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971 "2019-06-24T15:43:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Helmut\_Doork](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e8c25b/32.png) [@Helmut\_Doork](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helmut_Doork)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2019, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/81 "2019-06-24T21:14:55Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > You have failed utterly. It would take personal introspection, and a desire and ability to do so, yes, so not surprising. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2019, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/82 "2019-06-24T21:20:15Z")
> [@Helmut\_Doork](#): > > It would take personal introspection, and a desire and ability to do so, yes, so not surprising. See? Resorting to ad hominem attacks means just one thing: failing is giving way to flailing. ---
**Author:** ![Helmut\_Doork](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e8c25b/32.png) [@Helmut\_Doork](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helmut_Doork)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2019, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/83 "2019-06-24T21:28:05Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > See? Resorting to ad hominem attacks means just one thing: failing is giving way to flailing. Like this entire thread pretty much? An OP possibly impugns the character of a person apparently beloved by the board, so we will ignore facts, wont read the thread, wont read the linked articles, wont comment on the two or three sensible, thought out posts that support the OP, just call the person a racist troll and there, I don’t have to think or do any self analysis? The mass psychology here is often rather frightening. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2019, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/84 "2019-06-24T21:45:24Z")
> [@Helmut\_Doork](#): > > Like this entire thread pretty much? An OP possibly impugns the character of a person apparently beloved by the board, so we will ignore facts, wont read the thread, wont read the linked articles, wont comment on the two or three sensible, thought out posts that support the OP, just call the person a racist troll and there, I don’t have to think or do any self analysis? The mass psychology here is often rather frightening. Holy fuck: you’re delusional. I don’t know who the fuck you think you’re talking to or what the fuck you think I wrote, but that isn’t it. And you don’t have any new facts, as evidenced by your link and your subsequent posts in this thread. So it seems all you have is outrage. U mad bro? ---
**Author:** ![Helmut\_Doork](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e8c25b/32.png) [@Helmut\_Doork](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helmut_Doork)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2019, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/85 "2019-06-24T21:52:50Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > And you don’t have any new facts, as evidenced by your link and your subsequent posts in this thread. So it seems all you have is outrage. > > U mad bro? Actually no, not angry at all, where do you see a single post with a trace of anger? No personal insults or swears in my posts. As for new facts, the article in the OP that starts off “New facts in the…” has the new facts. But since most here didn’t read the old ones, those would be new as well. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2019, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/86 "2019-06-24T21:56:49Z")
Highly speculative, but just for the ability to claim “called it”, I’ll mention “qudbo siro” and make a note that I’m doubtful that “teacher of teachers” would be the most reasonable description of Omar’s dad’s job before the Somali Civil War. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2019, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/87 "2019-06-24T21:59:26Z")
> [@Helmut\_Doork](#): > > Actually no, not angry at all, where do you see a single post with a trace of anger? No personal insults or swears in my posts. Oh, okay: you’re a delusional _liar_. Got it. Good luck with that. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2019, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/88 "2019-06-24T22:13:40Z")
> [@Helmut\_Doork](#): > > …As for new facts, the article in the OP that starts off “New facts in the…” has the new facts. But since most here didn’t read the old ones, those would be new as well. What are the new facts? You’ve been asked repeatedly. ---
**Author:** ![Helmut\_Doork](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e8c25b/32.png) [@Helmut\_Doork](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helmut_Doork)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2019, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/89 "2019-06-24T22:15:53Z")
Post #75 by another member gives all the juicy deets, and #79 ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2019, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/90 "2019-06-24T22:19:33Z")
> [@Helmut\_Doork](#): > > Obama’s birth was questioned, he proved it. Should be simple here. As recently as 2016, polls showed that 2/3rds of republicans either didn’t believe or weren’t sure that Obama was a US citizen, and all of them voted for the guy who got famous spreading that bullshit, so a fat lot of good that did. No, you don’t give this story oxygen. Shame on you for this thread. Shame on you for spreading bullshit propaganda. Like, here’s your next link: > [@](#): > > [https://pjmedia.com/davidsteinberg/official-school-records-support-claims-that-rep-ilhan-omar-d-mn-married-her-brother/](https://pjmedia.com/davidsteinberg/official-school-records-support-claims-that-rep-ilhan-omar-d-mn-married-her-brother/) Here’s some other headlines from this stellar bastion of reporting: “America Elected a Black President; We Don’t Need Reparations” “Media Attacks Should Be a Signal to Trump: Focus on Flawed Climate Science” “How Secret Algorithms Are Crushing Conservative Media” “Why Are There So Many Homeless in Los Angeles?” (spoiler: because hippies and liberals and drugs) But please, go right ahead and continue this shitshow of a thread. Actually, maybe don’t, you slimy piece of shit. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2019, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/91 "2019-06-24T22:24:42Z")
> [@Helmut\_Doork](#): > > Post #75 by another member gives all the juicy deets Those aren’t from the article you linked, you fucking dingbat. NM, happy trolling. ---
**Author:** ![Helmut\_Doork](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e8c25b/32.png) [@Helmut\_Doork](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helmut_Doork)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2019, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/92 "2019-06-24T22:30:57Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > Those aren’t from the article you linked, you fucking dingbat. NM, happy trolling. Post #75 and #79 summarize the new info, which may or may not be contained in the entirety of each of the four articles I linked, you are correct. I shouldn’t expect to have to spoonfeed info to people responding to this, I would expect anyone with enough desire to comment would already know the basics. If you are coming in blind because the pit is a chance to show you anger and wit, I’m not doing your work for you. I wouldn’t go to a thread on 17th century metallurgy and expect someone to explain all of the common terms in detail to me, just so I can comment. If the thread isn’t something you know about, there are others. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2019, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/93 "2019-06-24T22:31:16Z")
…true story: Ilhan Omar has a secret agenda to use her status to implement Sharia Law. [Cite](https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1143168166190866433). Oh sorry, I meant\* Shakira law.\* (Joke shamelessly stolen from [here](https://twitter.com/unburdenings/status/1143253318506074112).) ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2019, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/94 "2019-06-24T22:35:09Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Shame on you for spreading bullshit propaganda. Like, here’s your next link: > > Here’s some other headlines from this stellar bastion of reporting: > > “America Elected a Black President; We Don’t Need Reparations” > > “Media Attacks Should Be a Signal to Trump: Focus on Flawed Climate Science” > > “How Secret Algorithms Are Crushing Conservative Media” > > “Why Are There So Many Homeless in Los Angeles?” (spoiler: because hippies and liberals and drugs) 1. I could write a factual and well-sourced article with any one of those headings. This isn’t to say that those articles would present a full and nuanced view of the topics or couldn’t be rebutted with factual and well-sourced articles that made a better total argument, but there is a difference between “lies” and “incomplete”. 2. You should note that libel is a crime. Any journalistic source that has existed for more than a couple of years will, almost certainly, only ever contain facts in their news articles. If they didn’t they’d have already been sued out of existence. 3. Something that is true is true regardless of whether it’s surrounded by lies. To be sure, an honest news source is better, but if a liar gives you some information that you can check and it checks out then…well it checked out. It’s true. Everything else…well that still might be lies. But things that prove are true regardless of who told you about them. ---
**Author:** ![Helmut\_Doork](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e8c25b/32.png) [@Helmut\_Doork](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helmut_Doork)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2019, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/95 "2019-06-24T22:37:58Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Here’s some other headlines from this stellar bastion of reporting: > > “America Elected a Black President; We Don’t Need Reparations” > > “Media Attacks Should Be a Signal to Trump: Focus on Flawed Climate Science” > > “How Secret Algorithms Are Crushing Conservative Media” > > “Why Are There So Many Homeless in Los Angeles?” (spoiler: because hippies and liberals and drugs) > > But please, go right ahead and continue this shitshow of a thread. > > Actually, maybe don’t, you slimy piece of shit. Oh my stars! :eek: If you had read the thread, you would know I made it crystal clear to all when I linked that fourth cite I clearly said I was doing so only for those requesting further info, and that I did not know squat about the writer, site, site politics, and apologized in advance if it was a hate site or anything like it. Not to mention that none of those four headlines are really that offensive? Most posters here agreed reparations are not in order now, and the others aren’t race based? Am I missing something? So ignore that one, and read the one in the OP from a major liberal newspaper, it contains the exact same basic info. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2019, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/96 "2019-06-24T22:43:09Z")
> [@Helmut\_Doork](#): > > Post #75 and #79 summarize the new info… Yeah, I see **Sage Rat** doing the work you were unwilling or unable to do yourself. So, no new facts, just a bunch of speculation and conjecture from partisan and unreliable sources. Well done. You got nothing. Bonus points for white-knighting a troll, though. And good luck with your brave and noble war on hypocrisy. I’m sure you’ll knock that one out of the park too. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2019, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/97 "2019-06-24T22:47:27Z")
**Helmut Doork** , suppose someone started a rumor that you married your brother. That would be totally reasonable, right? Because after all, we have no proof whatsoever that you didn’t. And then suppose that, after that, someone else said “Hey, there’s a rumor going around that **Helmut Doork** married his brother”. Still reasonable, right? ---
**Author:** ![Helmut\_Doork](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e8c25b/32.png) [@Helmut\_Doork](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helmut_Doork)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2019, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/98 "2019-06-24T22:55:07Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > **Helmut Doork** , suppose someone started a rumor that you married your brother. That would be totally reasonable, right? Because after all, we have no proof whatsoever that you didn’t. And then suppose that, after that, someone else said “Hey, there’s a rumor going around that **Helmut Doork** married his brother”. Still reasonable, right? Do you think the Minnesota Star Tribune would be involved if there were absolutely nothing there? News media slander is a huge issue, hundreds of large payouts, the MST says fuck that, we are running an absurd piece with zero evidence, zero credibility against a fellow liberal? Quote: Immediately after being elected to her current seat in 2016, Omar faced allegations — soon backed by a remarkable amount of evidence — that she had married her own brother in 2009, and was still legally his wife. They officially divorced in December 2017. The motivation for the marriage remains unclear. However, the totality of the evidence points to possible immigration fraud and student loan fraud. Rep. Omar has stated that she did marry “British citizen” Ahmed Nur Said Elmi in 2009, though the allegation that he is her brother is “absurd and offensive.” …exclusive new evidence — from official archived high school records and corroborating sources — strongly supports the claim that Ahmed Nur Said Elmi is indeed her brother. Reporters and commentators have speculated that the marriage involved immigration fraud and have urged the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) to investigate the matter. ---
**Author:** ![Helmut\_Doork](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e8c25b/32.png) [@Helmut\_Doork](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helmut_Doork)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2019, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/99 "2019-06-24T23:01:04Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > Yeah, I see **Sage Rat** doing the work you were unwilling or unable to do yourself. So, no new facts, just a bunch of speculation and conjecture from partisan and unreliable sources. In the case of the MST, partisan on _her_ side, I think is the big flag here? And you have no personal way of knowing if the sources are reliable or not. If Brietbart was the source, it would not be given a second thought- MST changes things. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2019, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/100 "2019-06-24T23:06:44Z")
> [@Helmut\_Doork](#): > > Do you think the Minnesota Star Tribune would be involved if there were absolutely nothing there? News media slander is a huge issue, hundreds of large payouts, the MST says fuck that, we are running an absurd piece with zero evidence, zero credibility against a fellow liberal? Oops, wrong again. In 2014, the _Star Tribune_ was bought by former republican state senator [Glen Taylor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glen_Taylor). From the wiki: > [@](#): > > In 2014, he purchased the Star Tribune for about $100 million. He told MinnPost that **the famously liberal Star Tribune would be decidedly less liberal under his watch** , but noted that the paper had already been shifting more to the center in recent years. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971.md?page=6)