# Apologies in order to SDMB member in light of new Ilhan Omar info? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 24, 2019, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971 "2019-06-24T15:43:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/161 "2019-06-25T13:01:37Z")
> [@Helmut\_Doork](#): > > Like this entire thread pretty much? An OP possibly impugns the character of a person apparently beloved by the board, so we will ignore facts, wont read the thread, wont read the linked articles, wont comment on the two or three sensible, thought out posts that support the OP, just call the person a racist troll and there, I don’t have to think or do any self analysis? The mass psychology here is often rather frightening. Welcome to the SDMB! Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/162 "2019-06-25T13:03:59Z")
You don’t really come here for the hunting, do you? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/163 "2019-06-25T14:28:46Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > You don’t really come here for the hunting, do you? Subtle. I like it. ---
**Author:** ![The\_King\_of\_Soup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a87d85/32.png) [@The\_King\_of\_Soup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_King_of_Soup)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/164 "2019-06-25T14:57:32Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Fair point. It is plausible and in fact almost certain that Hirsi didn’t change his address on his driver’s license, given the 2009 business license. So we’re done talking about “police reports.” Good. > [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Here is the business license: > > [https://mblsportal.sos.state.mn.us/Business/SearchDetails?filingGuid=fd61ab15-94d4-e011-a886-001ec94ffe7f](https://mblsportal.sos.state.mn.us/Business/SearchDetails?filingGuid=fd61ab15-94d4-e011-a886-001ec94ffe7f) > > The home address for Hirsi is the same on the business license as the home address for Omar/Elmi on the marriage license: > > [Marriage License Duplicate - 062419 | PDF](https://www.scribd.com/document/414407024/Marriage-License-Duplicate-062419#fullscreen&from_embed) Again, this is not true. None of the documents involved specify that it is anyone’s home address. However, if it were, it would show that (1) Mr. Hirsi owned or leased the property; (2) the congresswoman moved there after divorcing Mr. Hirsi; and (3) Mr. Hirsi decided he would rather live and open a second business there (you didn’t miss the fact that his other business was only a couple blocks away, did you?) and ceded what had been his and the congresswoman’s home back to the congresswoman so she could move in with her new husband. Besides, Mr. Hirsi and the congresswoman had two young children: it would have been awkward, but hardly shocking, if the five of them did share an address for a time, and it certainly doesn’t support any of the accusations you’re parroting. > [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Elmi’s address changes to living in Eden Prairie by September of that same year. Oh, shame on you, **Rat**. You promised you understood about making assumptions based on the address on a driver’s license. But where do you pull this crap from? Mr. _Elmi’s_ traffic ticket.But again, you studied just hard enough to get it backwards. Suppose you, a recently divorced Muslim woman, want to get married again, and it suits your custom or desire or convenience to hold the wedding at home. But it’d be kind of rude, wouldn’t it, to have the ceremony at either of your ex-husbands properties (nod if you understand). So maybe at the home of a friend or relative or someone hospitable that your husband is staying with until your marriage, or one of their friends and neighbors. Where was the ceremony held? Oh look, Eden Prairie. Congratulations, **Rat** : further proof (that noone needed) that people are slow to change their addresses at the DMV. At this point I’d say you were arguing in bad faith if…it were necessary. > [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Unrelated to the previous, You got that right. Shall I point out _how_ right? Thanks for the wall of gibberish. Let’s chat about this. First up, because I suspect you’ll come back to this, a presence on social media does not give your wife anything useful to a process server, and neither does designing a website from abroad. Second, because why let people get away with this kind of sloppiness, a printed name doesn’t confer identity. I have an unusual name, and I’ve met two other people who have it. Or, as another example, how about the congresswoman’s sister? There are at least three _prominent_ Sarah Noors in the U.S. alone, and who knows how many others. In addition to the founder of Grit Partners, there is an actress, and a doctor at Sloan-Kettering. Wow, I keep running into the most admirable people on one side of this story. But on the other, it just keeps getting stupider. The source here is the Daily Caller, which, as noted above, not reliable and with a history of lying and misleading about Democrats in particular (that’s from the source you used to praise the Washington Examiner by the way). But that’s not the worst, most obvious proof of bad faith on the whole right-wing side of this. > [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > …apparently Omar’s sister started a new website called Grit Partners Consulting. It was created in January of this year: And here it is. you are repeating the accusation that the congresswoman lied, for reasons nobody can articulate, in a May 2017 divorce complaint by saying she couldn’t have her husband served (again, thus making it _harder_ for her to obtain the divorce), and the proof is that someone with two of her husband’s names designed a website, from abroad, **TWO YEARS LATER AND A YEAR AFTER THE DIVORCE WAS FINAL**. You sap: shrivel up and go away. And, as if anyone were still reading, this is how the smear machine works: right-wing bigots with no reputation to lose make up a story, right-wing bigots with a reputation to lose carefully print stories that are factual but journalistically pointless except to mention those elements that do not prove, but exist in, the original lie, and right-wing bigots who are stupid or acting in bad faith or both, conflate the two and repeat it over and over and over. The point is not to make sense, it’s just to repeat the slander. Alpha News says Santa Claus. Daily Caller picks it up. Post-Dispatch and Washington Examiner print stories saying chimneys exist and some people eat cookies. Internet trolls say See!!! And don’t stop. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/165 "2019-06-25T15:51:52Z")
What I want to know is when Ilhan Omar became “beloved by the board,” and why I wasn’t notified. (Is there already such a thing as a “sweetening the well” fallacy, or did our devotee of **Shodan** invent it?) ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/166 "2019-06-25T16:05:34Z")
> [@The\_King\_of\_Soup](#): > > Again, this is not true. None of the documents involved specify that it is anyone’s home address. You mean other than the text, “Home Address”? :dubious: I’m willing to go through a prosecution/defendant process on the evidence, but not if you’re unwilling to be honest. Do I need to screenshot the documents and circle in red the words “home address”? ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/167 "2019-06-25T16:19:55Z")
_Grumble_ Ignore that last (sorry, I just woke up). Yes it does not literally say “home address” but…I mean come on. Deciding that a couple of college students would put down some arbitrary non-home address smacks pretty strongly of denialism. And we’re still not even to the point where we’re talking about setting up photo shoots and using photoshop to set up hospital scenes and create counterfeit hospital wrist bands. If you’re already going to be getting into denialist territory at this point, this isn’t a worthwhile discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/168 "2019-06-25T16:42:04Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > If you’re already going to be getting into denialist territory at this point, this isn’t a worthwhile discussion. If you don’t mind, can you give me the elevator pitch for this… scandal… or whatever it is? I’m a bit behind the curve on this whole thing, because there’s a lot of “she married her brother” and “she lied about something or other” and “here’s a photo with a hospital bracelet!” I’m not even sure what I’m supposed to be denying ever happened, or what I’m supposed to be outraged about from a politician I never heard of before a month ago. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/169 "2019-06-25T16:55:13Z")
I’m mostly, and only mildly, curious why Putin would choose a _non_-candidate to send his Web trolls after, unless it’s just for training on a small board. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/170 "2019-06-25T17:12:34Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > I’m mostly, and only mildly, curious why Putin would choose a _non_-candidate to send his Web trolls after, unless it’s just for training on a small board. Putin has used his trolls to promote anti-vaxxer nonsense. The idea is to enrage and divide people as much as possible, not just to attack candidates. ---
**Author:** ![The\_King\_of\_Soup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a87d85/32.png) [@The\_King\_of\_Soup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_King_of_Soup)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/171 "2019-06-25T17:25:57Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > _Grumble_ Ignore that last (sorry, I just woke up). Yes it does not literally say “home address”… Belated honesty when caught out earns no points. > [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > … but…I mean come on. Pleading for the benefit of the doubt. Remember what I told you about obvious bad faith? That’s why you don’t get it. If you did, it wouldn’t matter because, again, you just don’t read, or pretend not to. > [@Me](#): > > None of the documents involved specify that it is anyone’s home address. **However, if it were, it would show** that (1) Mr. Hirsi owned or leased the property; (2) the congresswoman moved there after divorcing Mr. Hirsi; and (3) Mr. Hirsi decided he would rather live and open a second business there (you didn’t miss the fact that his other business was only a couple blocks away, did you?) and ceded what had been his and the congresswoman’s home back to the congresswoman so she could move in with her new husband. Besides, Mr. Hirsi and the congresswoman had two young children: it would have been awkward, but hardly shocking, if the five of them did share an address for a time, and it certainly doesn’t support any of the accusations you’re parroting. (bolding added this time). I haven’t denied the existence of any of these documents-just noted that you’re claiming they prove something they don’t, and hoping no one checks. There’s that bad faith again. Anyway, now onto the garbage no reputable outlet will touch. > [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > And we’re still not even to the point where we’re talking about setting up photo shoots and using photoshop to set up hospital scenes and create counterfeit hospital wrist bands. It’s only because this is _all_ you have left, and I like to be neat, that I bother with this sewage. Link to these photographs and wristbands, source them, tell me how they mean anybody did anything even mildly naughty, and I’ll dispose of them then. > [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > …this isn’t a worthwhile discussion. Debunking incoherent bigoted lies is always worthwhile. Don’t be too hard on yourself: if you didn’t supply the lies, I couldn’t supply the debunking. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/172 "2019-06-25T18:35:38Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > You don’t really come here for the hunting, do you? Oh sure - now with the slut shaming. Help, help! I’m being oppressed! Did you see that? Did you see him oppressing me? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Helmut\_Doork](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e8c25b/32.png) [@Helmut\_Doork](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helmut_Doork)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/173 "2019-06-25T19:19:16Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > I’m mostly, and only mildly, curious why Putin would choose a _non_-candidate to send his Web trolls after, unless it’s just for training on a small board. I cant go into the process as I was exposed as a Russian troll in another thread and am now moving to Vladivostok- being moved, actually. My handlers are very disappointed after years of training I was only able to make around 300 posts before being outed- a dubious record of sorts, I am told. As punishment, I will spend the next two years in a windowless shed manning the mommy blogs and Ugly Betty fanfiction sites, with only a thin borscht and gallons of cologne for sustinance. I risk the gulag for even returning for this post, but did want to know, so I can avoid that error in the future, if someone could let me know what the ‘tell’ was that outed me? I mean, surely it would not be possible to post almost 300 times in a second language, (one where I have never had a conversation with a native speaker), and fool all the bright people here even for a minute- I must have accidentally slipped in a nyet somewhere, or perhaps referred to the USSR as CCCP? I mean Im not dumb, I know the basics- theyre posted on all the bare walls of my sector- don’t post too often in threads about beets, don’t list Yakov Smirnoff as one the ten best stand-ups, don’t start threads about which after shave tastes the best, those things- but surely there was something I missed? The others warned me, don’t post on the SMDB, they are too smart there, you will be outed and will compromise the entire mission for gods sake, go to the Akron Beacon Journal like you were told- but I got cocky I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/174 "2019-06-25T19:28:04Z")
> [@helmut doork](#): > > if someone could let me know what the ‘tell’ was that outed me? глупый тролль ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/175 "2019-06-25T20:48:40Z")
> [@Helmut\_Doork](#): > > And the bit about the original GD thread claimed incest? The moat egregious lie in this thread. Not a single hint of a mention of incest in the GD thread. Just pointing out, in case you are genuinely confused about this: an incestuous marriage by definition is one “contracted between persons related to a prohibited degree”. A marriage between such close relatives is called incestuous whether or not the contracting parties actually have a sexual relationship. So yes, **Shodan** ’s thread highlighting rumors that Omar married her brother was deliberately bringing up the allegation that Omar had made an incestuous marriage. AFAICT, **Shodan** did not allege that Omar had a sexual relationship with her brother, nor did **BigT** claim that he did. **Shodan** “claimed the incest argument” in the sense that he encouraged the (so far completely unsupported) rumor of Omar’s incestuous marriage. (And of course, the main propaganda reason for starting rumors about incestuous marriages is to horrify and repel the many people who naturally jump to the conclusion that such marriages involve incestuous sex.) ---
**Author:** ![Helmut\_Doork](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e8c25b/32.png) [@Helmut\_Doork](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helmut_Doork)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/176 "2019-06-25T20:53:11Z")
in·cest [ˈinˌsest] NOUN sexual relations between people classed as being too closely related to marry each other. the crime of having sexual intercourse with a parent, child, sibling, or grandchild. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/177 "2019-06-25T21:09:09Z")
**Incestuous marriage** [Definition](https://www.quimbee.com/keyterms/incestuous-marriage) > [@](#): > > An unlawful marriage between two persons who are closely related either by blood, known as consanguinity, or by marriage, known as affinity. In other words, two closely related people who marry are participants in an incestuous marriage **whether or not** they are committing incest _per se_, i.e., engaged in incestuous sexual activity. Huh. I guess you really **were** confused about that. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2019, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/178 "2019-06-25T21:42:44Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > What I want to know is when Ilhan Omar became “beloved by the board,” and why I wasn’t notified Pretty sure they meant Omar Little. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2019, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/179 "2019-06-29T02:11:24Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > Pretty sure they meant Omar Little. Well, as long as you’re here, I hope you’ll clear up all these rumours about you marrying your brother. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2019, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971/180 "2019-06-29T03:07:01Z")
> [@Helmut\_Doork](#): > > Huge chasm between a liberal newspaper posting an article simply mentioning that some fringe people on the right are questioning Obama’s citizenship, and same paper sending reporters to actively try to prove the birth certificate provided is fake. Cite that the newspaper is liberal? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apologies-in-order-to-sdmb-member-in-light-of-new-ilhan-omar-info/835971.md?page=10)