# Apparent retaliation in statue teardowns **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [July 6, 2020, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparent-retaliation-in-statue-teardowns/914472 "2020-07-06T12:20:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparent-retaliation-in-statue-teardowns/914472/42 "2020-07-08T00:30:34Z")
Thank you for the cite. I couldnt find an update anywhere. . . > [@octopus](#): > > Now if only municipalities cared that much for 8 year old children, businesses and retired police. Businesses??? When was the last time the national guard was called in to protect citizens from being killed by the police? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparent-retaliation-in-statue-teardowns/914472/43 "2020-07-08T01:27:05Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Taking down a statue of a Confederate General, even though the statue was not put up because he was a confederate, is not a racist act. I meant to show that the statue did not portray him as a Confederate, but as a Mason. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparent-retaliation-in-statue-teardowns/914472/44 "2020-07-08T01:32:32Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Group A is opposed to honoring slavery. > > Group B is in favor of honoring slavery. I don’t believe it is that simplistic. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparent-retaliation-in-statue-teardowns/914472/45 "2020-07-08T02:24:51Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > They were swiftly caught and charged with three crimes including a ridiculous charge. When Antifa, blm, and other lawless groups get arrested, charged and go to trial than I’ll worry about one couple painting over two letter Still with the Antifa, huh? How does a “lawless group” get arrested anyway? Also, a simple Google search for “protesters arrested” will show numerous people being arrested for protesting. Here’s [one](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/08/george-floyd-killing-police-arrest-non-violent-protesters) such story. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparent-retaliation-in-statue-teardowns/914472/46 "2020-07-08T02:36:38Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Still with the Antifa, huh? And the propaganda from Russia. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparent-retaliation-in-statue-teardowns/914472/47 "2020-07-08T02:57:16Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Put them all in one place, then publicize the names and hometowns of every single mother-fucker that goes to see them. That would take care of the worshippers real damn quick. It wouldn’t change anything, or at least not a lot. Sure, your average redneck that flies under the radar and keeps their opinions to themselves might not go, but as we’ve been seeing recently, a lot of people really aren’t shy about this stuff. We’ve seen prison guards reenacting the George Floyd murder, proudly. Just a few days ago a video surfaced of a group of white people attempting to lynch a black man in the woods. No one was hiding their face from the camera. And, I’m sure there’s countless other examples. Better idea. You can see the statues, but there’s an admission fee and all profits go to some type of anti-racisim something. Make it more like a Holocaust Museum. A place for people to go and reflect on the atrocities that others have been through. For the same reason I assume neo-nazis don’t go to Holocaust Museums to celebrate their ancestral accomplishments, racist people probably aren’t going to head down to the Slavery/Racism museum to celebrate what their ancestors did, especially if the proceeds go towards BLM type things. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparent-retaliation-in-statue-teardowns/914472/48 "2020-07-08T03:25:19Z")
Well, since it is only when the police kill someone that the story be cynically exploited. That’s why there is silence about the rest of the rampant lawlessness. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparent-retaliation-in-statue-teardowns/914472/49 "2020-07-08T03:42:25Z")
Yes, why _don’t_ we treat police murder just like regular murder? CMC ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparent-retaliation-in-statue-teardowns/914472/50 "2020-07-08T04:26:15Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Note that my fellow Arkansan Albert Pike did not have a statue in DC because he was a Confederate general (he was), but because of his standing as a Mason. His statue is not in uniform, but wears a civilian suit. And [even the Masons supported removal of the statue.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/a-homeless-confederate-albert-pikes-complicated-legacy-leaves-statue-in-limbo/2017/10/16/40fe05d6-aa10-11e7-92d1-58c702d2d975_story.html) Perhaps the Masons were quick to overlook Pike’s egregious moral failings 100 years ago, but today’s Masons are not so inclined. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparent-retaliation-in-statue-teardowns/914472/51 "2020-07-08T04:41:19Z")
Because it can’t be politicized and exploited. I just said that. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparent-retaliation-in-statue-teardowns/914472/52 "2020-07-08T15:31:12Z")
Really? Murder, and crime in general, has _never_ been politicized and exploited? CMC ---
**Author:** ![VOW](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/vow/32/3043_2.png) [@VOW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VOW)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparent-retaliation-in-statue-teardowns/914472/53 "2020-07-08T16:09:30Z")
@Joey_P Okay, that’s an idea I can get behind. I was being _only_ semi-facetious when I suggested moving the statues to a remote area and calling it “Garden of Assholes.” But this, this is a workable idea that moves the statues from their very public areas, groups them together and perhaps labels them as a part of our racist history. We don’t need to erase our history or rewrite it. This new venue for the statues allows us to remember our history, and learn from it. If people take control of the situation and structure it to be a learning experience, then the white supremacist/die-hard Confederates could not use the statues as veneration objects. ~VOW ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparent-retaliation-in-statue-teardowns/914472/54 "2020-07-08T16:26:16Z")
> [@Dr\_Paprika](#): > > Without making the usual comments on Internet analogies to despots, when I went to Berlin there were plenty of other regrettable monuments to that particular person. I think we need to see a citation for the things that this Politico article says don’t exist. > In Germany, you won’t see neo-Nazis converging on a monument to Reinhard Heydrich or Adolf Hitler, because no such statues exist. The country long ago came to grips with the full weight of its history. But you’ll find Nazis and Klansmen in Virginia, circling a statue of Robert E. Lee, a traitor who raised arms against his own country in the defense of white supremacy. > > [Politico](https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/08/20/why-there-are-no-nazi-statues-in-germany-215510) ---
**Author:** ![VOW](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/vow/32/3043_2.png) [@VOW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VOW)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2020, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparent-retaliation-in-statue-teardowns/914472/55 "2020-07-08T22:25:30Z")
@John_Stamos_Left_Ear I lived in Germany twice, and while I admit I didn’t see everything, I truly never saw a statue of Hitler. Mr VOW (then Sgt VOW) and I traveled Southern Germany, and saw “vacation spots” created by the Nazis for the upper echelon of the government. There are many tours you can take where you are taught the history of Nazi Germany. On one of the tours, the bus stops at the location of Hitler’s home, constructed so he could have a breathtaking view of Austria. Following WW2, the new German government destoyed the house with explosives, so it could not be venerated by any remaining Nazis or current-day followers. Mr VOW and I also visited Dachau, which is just outside of Munich. The “headquarters” building has been restored, and it is now a museum to document the atrocities at that concentration camp. Many photographs are on display. And in every single one that showed Hitler, his face has been gouged and scratched, so it is obliterated. Germany acknowledges her history, and chooses to remember it, and to make the conscious decision to move ahead, in the opposite direction. ~VOW ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2020, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparent-retaliation-in-statue-teardowns/914472/56 "2020-07-09T04:51:23Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Now if only municipalities cared that much for 8 year old children, businesses and retired police. What are you going on about now? > [@octopus](#): > > Well, since it is only when the police kill someone that the story be cynically exploited. That’s why there is silence about the rest of the rampant lawlessness. I wonder about this supposed silence when we have been discussing in other threads the coverage of things like vandalism of property, firebombing stores, etc. I also find your priorities skewed. You are lamenting at the destruction of statues, but somehow when police kill someone without cause it is “cynical exploitation” to campaign against it. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2020, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparent-retaliation-in-statue-teardowns/914472/57 "2020-07-10T01:06:19Z")
I drove past Frederick Douglass High School this evening and wondered when someone would demand it be renamed. After all, Douglass was a strong supporter of U.S. Grant, who at one time owned a slave. ---
**Author:** ![WildBlueYonder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ce7236/32.png) [@WildBlueYonder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WildBlueYonder)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2020, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparent-retaliation-in-statue-teardowns/914472/58 "2020-07-13T15:43:05Z")
great idea! ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2020, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparent-retaliation-in-statue-teardowns/914472/59 "2020-07-13T16:08:00Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > You are lamenting at the destruction of statues, but somehow when police kill someone without cause it is “cynical exploitation” to campaign against it. I’m guessing this is okay with him as well. Just one of those “Marxist” protesters. > **[Police shoot Portland protester in head with impact weapon, causing severe...](https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2020/07/police-shoot-portland-protester-in-head-with-impact-weapon-causing-severe-injuries.html)** > > 26-year-old Donavan La Bella came out of facial reconstructive surgery early Sunday morning after his skull was fractured. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparent-retaliation-in-statue-teardowns/914472.md?page=2)