# Apparently Homophobia is alive and well in Canada... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 27, 2003, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-homophobia-is-alive-and-well-in-canada/215589 "2003-11-27T17:03:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Teegus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Teegus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Teegus)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2003, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-homophobia-is-alive-and-well-in-canada/215589/1 "2003-11-27T17:03:59Z")
I apologize in advance for any incoherency in this post as I am pissed right the fuck off. The reason? [This assclown](http://www.canada.com/national/story.asp?id=9D91AA32-6859-457E-80E3-E90BEA944031) I can’t even begin to express the anger I have that someone this bigoted and prejudiced would be elected to our Parliament to have a say in our law making process. It is frightening that an MP believes in a huge conspiracy theory and that every right fought for by gays should be rescinded. And that he publicly derided another MP for being gay and wanting to be able to marry. Do things like freedom, equality and rights mean nothing to this idiot? Isn’t this 21st Century enlightened Canada, not the Stone Age? I respect this guy’s right to have a differing opinion, but this level of intolerance is staggering. Not to mention sheer rectal cranial immersion. Thank Og he’s not my riding’s MP and I hope he gets recalled post haste. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2003, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-homophobia-is-alive-and-well-in-canada/215589/2 "2003-11-27T17:06:15Z")
Won’t **matt\_mcl** be suprised. Clearly it’s not just the eeeeeevil Americans with homophobic dipshits in politics. Haj ---
**Author:** ![Ilsa\_Lund](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a6a055/32.png) [@Ilsa\_Lund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ilsa_Lund)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2003, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-homophobia-is-alive-and-well-in-canada/215589/3 "2003-11-27T17:11:32Z")
Homophobia is doing okay? I went to school with him, and I’ve been meaning to look him up. Small World. ---
**Author:** ![MrVisible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@MrVisible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrVisible)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2003, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-homophobia-is-alive-and-well-in-canada/215589/4 "2003-11-27T17:12:44Z")
**hajaro** , I don’t think there’s a gay person anywhere who’d be surprised by straight supremacist morons popping up all over the place. It’s the context in which we try and get on with our lives. ---
**Author:** ![Goofus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/7feea3/32.png) [@Goofus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Goofus)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2003, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-homophobia-is-alive-and-well-in-canada/215589/5 "2003-11-27T17:16:47Z")
Well, the linked article does say this homophobic politician is from the US. So it looks like we’ve got enough here to spare a few for the neighbors. Share and enjoy… ---
**Author:** ![GingerOfTheNorth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/cdc98d/32.png) [@GingerOfTheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GingerOfTheNorth)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2003, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-homophobia-is-alive-and-well-in-canada/215589/6 "2003-11-27T17:21:07Z")
Let’s see… Former Baptist Preacher. Alliance party member. That right there tells me that nobody should be surprised at his views. However, as Mr. Trudeau said while tabling the bill to decriminalize homosexuality in 1967 (it was passed two years later): “There’s no place for the state in the bedrooms of the nation”. I completely agree, and I hope that Mr. Spencer’s constituents will agree when it’s re-election time. I am disgusted. ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2003, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-homophobia-is-alive-and-well-in-canada/215589/7 "2003-11-27T17:23:28Z")
> [@](#): > > But Spencer said any MP, and especially someone from his party, risks being labelled “a redneck or a hate-monger or homophobic” if they even mention such views in Parliament. If the shoe fits … ---
**Author:** ![cowgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8c91f0/32.png) [@cowgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cowgirl)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2003, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-homophobia-is-alive-and-well-in-canada/215589/8 "2003-11-27T17:33:13Z")
:eek: truly shocking. On a brighter [note](http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20031127.wgayy1126/BNStory/National/) from today’s Globe and Mail > [@](#): > > Canadian Alliance MP Larry Spencer has been fired from his role as family issues critic after telling a Vancouver newspaper that he would support any initiative to make homosexuality illegal again. > > He also voluntarily removed himself from the Alliance caucus. Won’t **hajario** be surprised to see that Canadians don’t put up with homophobic (American) dipshits in politics. ---
**Author:** ![KarmaComa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e36b37/32.png) [@KarmaComa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarmaComa)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2003, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-homophobia-is-alive-and-well-in-canada/215589/9 "2003-11-27T17:38:31Z")
From the article… > [@](#): > > “So the human body can be sensitized or de-sensitized. The mind or the conscience that we have can be sharpened against right or wrong. It can be de-sensitized to think that whatever wrong that’s around us is nothing but natural and we begin to accept that.” We’ve got to get this guy down to the salon tout de suite and get him all gayed out. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2003, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-homophobia-is-alive-and-well-in-canada/215589/10 "2003-11-27T17:56:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by cowgirl \* > \*\*Won’t **hajario** be surprised to see that Canadians don’t put up with homophobic (American) dipshits in politics. \*\* So because he’s a native American it’s our fault that a) he’s an asshole, and b) you Canadians elected him. Is that pretty much your point? :rolleyes: Clean up your own trash. We have enough to deal with down here. ---
**Author:** ![KarmaComa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e36b37/32.png) [@KarmaComa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarmaComa)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2003, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-homophobia-is-alive-and-well-in-canada/215589/11 "2003-11-27T18:12:17Z")
Read the post, fuckwit. Haj was mocking Matt\_MCL for supposedly insinuating that the tolerance of homophobic politicians is a chiefly American problem. Cowgirl was pointing out that not only was the politician American, but he was not tolerated. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2003, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-homophobia-is-alive-and-well-in-canada/215589/12 "2003-11-27T18:32:47Z")
Right. She blamed us for him, when he is their elected official. Why else would she make a point of mentioning that he was from the US? We didn’t elect him. His views, as bizarre as they are, couldn’t have been hidden when he was elected. But somehow the “American” part of it becomes important. You deal with him. Keep us out of it. ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2003, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-homophobia-is-alive-and-well-in-canada/215589/13 "2003-11-27T18:38:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Airman Doors, USAF \* > \*\*His views, as bizarre as they are, couldn’t have been hidden when he was elected. \*\* I’m reasonably confident that this moron’s election campaign slogan wasn’t “Outlaw Gays, NOW!.” Politicians have been known to, you know, lie during campaigns on occasion. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2003, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-homophobia-is-alive-and-well-in-canada/215589/14 "2003-11-27T18:44:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by cowgirl \* > \*\*Won’t **hajario** be surprised to see that Canadians don’t put up with homophobic (American) dipshits in politics. \*\* Ah, more American bashing. So refreshing and lacking in ignorance. How the fuck is it relevant where this turd was born? Canadians elected him, not Americans. It is to their credit that there was enough outcry to get him to resign but it was Canadians who put him there in the first place. By the way, my State (California) protects the rights of homosexuals in the work place. My city (Santa Barbara) twice elected an openly gay man to the city council. He’d still be in office if he hadn’t of tragically come down with ALS. Haj ---
**Author:** ![KarmaComa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e36b37/32.png) [@KarmaComa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarmaComa)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2003, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-homophobia-is-alive-and-well-in-canada/215589/15 "2003-11-27T18:45:27Z")
To Doors: Actually it sounds from the OP link that his views were not known publicly before this incident. Please read Hajario’s post, then cowgirl’s post, noting that Matt\_MCL is Canadian. “She blamed us for him”? She calls him a homophobic American dipshit. He’s clearly American, and he’s clearly homophobic, and AFAIAC, he’s clearly a dipshit. What are you being blamed for, Mr. Patriot? **She mentioned that he is from the US in response to Hajario’s post**. Do you REALLY not realize that, or are you just being a pain in the ass? ---
**Author:** ![KarmaComa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e36b37/32.png) [@KarmaComa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarmaComa)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2003, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-homophobia-is-alive-and-well-in-canada/215589/16 "2003-11-27T18:50:16Z")
Haj, it is relevant where that turd was born because you took a dig at Matt\_MCL for being, say, “anti American homophobe”, not to be confused with being an anti-American homophobe. Surely you see the irony in his being American after your jab? Yes, Canadians did put him in office, but I get the impression that his stance on homosexuals was pretty hidden up to now. It’s also interesting to note that his riding is Regina… which I was going to say had a large lesbian population, but never mind, I’m thinking of Winnipeg. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2003, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-homophobia-is-alive-and-well-in-canada/215589/17 "2003-11-27T18:58:05Z")
Actually, I do appreciate the irony but my point still stands. There have been a number of arrogant posts by Canadians over the last several months implying that such a thing could never happen in Canada. It turns out that it did. Of course it’s way more of a problem down here and it’s one of the reasons that I cannot vote Republican (the reasons why I cannot vote Democratic are a different thread.) Haj ---
**Author:** ![KarmaComa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e36b37/32.png) [@KarmaComa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarmaComa)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2003, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-homophobia-is-alive-and-well-in-canada/215589/18 "2003-11-27T19:04:09Z")
Can you link, Haj? Not that I don’t believe you… it’s easy to be self-righteous when you live in a perfect country 😃 ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2003, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-homophobia-is-alive-and-well-in-canada/215589/19 "2003-11-27T19:07:59Z")
Yes, I heard about this guy last night. And lest you think this is confined to the Wet Coast: [MP beaten in New Brunswick for support of gay marriage](http://www.365gay.com/newscontent/112503ScottAttack.htm) **hajario** , I find it really kind of odd that you would attribute to me the idea that there is no homophobia in Canada. I’m not in politics/testified before a Commons committee/holding vigils for murdered Queer people/working in queer sensitivity training in high schools for nothing, you know. I’m certainly on record as saying that I think the situation for Queers is better, on the whole, in Canada than the US, which I think is accurate, especially on the judicial level. I mean _please_ girlfriend: we were getting gay marriage when you guys were still working on sodomy laws. But better != perfect, obviously, and I certainly agree that there is still major homophobia and a great deal further to do on this side of the border. As witness. (Oh, and I am actually _not_ surprised by this noodge. We all knew the Alliance was thinking it. This guy just had the poor judgment to open up his pie-hole about it to the press.) ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2003, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-homophobia-is-alive-and-well-in-canada/215589/20 "2003-11-27T19:10:11Z")
Of course, the fellows down south are [putting](http://www.365gay.com/newscontent/112703bishopMarriage.htm) [up a good](http://www.365gay.com/newscontent/112603judgeDiversity.htm) [showing](http://www.365gay.com/newscontent/112503SenateAmend.htm) too. _sigh_ [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-homophobia-is-alive-and-well-in-canada/215589.md?page=2)