# Apparently, it's okay for Republicans to be gun victims (Vegas massacre). **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 3, 2017, 11:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-its-okay-for-republicans-to-be-gun-victims-vegas-massacre/797860 "2017-10-03T11:00:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-its-okay-for-republicans-to-be-gun-victims-vegas-massacre/797860/41 "2017-10-03T17:06:24Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Cite? Option #1: First, provide evidence that you were born yesterday and haven’t participated in so many of these threads that you should be able to provide 20 to 30 cites yourself from memory. Option #2: Fuck off, troll. After all that rat bastard has said and done, you think it’s funny to say “cite?” as if this is day one? Just. Fuck. Off. ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-its-okay-for-republicans-to-be-gun-victims-vegas-massacre/797860/42 "2017-10-03T17:11:43Z")
> [@Surreal](#): > > [listening to country music] happens to be one of the most goyish things a person can possibly do Tell that to Kinky Friedman. Then go the hell back to Stormfront. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-its-okay-for-republicans-to-be-gun-victims-vegas-massacre/797860/43 "2017-10-03T17:29:50Z")
I’ll point out again that this person was fired almost immediately. Were this actually a conservative there would be a host of excuse-making, heming nad hawing, shuffling the event under the rug, claims that she is a nobody, and calls telling her targets that they should just buckle up and deal with it. Then a few days later when the pressure truly has mounted they would ‘resign’ after ‘ma ny prayer sessions’. Nope. She’s out. Within hours. I’m sure at some point some Conservative who shot off their mouthin an obscene way was fired within hours of the confirmation of the statement but right now I cannot for the life of me remember one. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-its-okay-for-republicans-to-be-gun-victims-vegas-massacre/797860/44 "2017-10-03T17:32:11Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > What exactly do you mean by this? Absolutely nothing. There is no such thing as context. All statements exist in the Eternal Now, without reference to history, either personal or global, such that trying to interpret them is a Liberal Canard, and only done to make honest Real Americans look foolish. Therefore, the only meaning is what is read into it by the dishonest. Anyone who attempts to connect statements to ideology, or ideology to action, is doing so in the service of a Narrative, and, as we all know, only Liberals have Narratives and Narratives are entirely dishonest. It means nothing. Trying to impute meaning is an attack. Being attacked means you’re right, and the attacker is wrong, and the attacker must concede defeat lest they be tarred with the accusation of bias. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-its-okay-for-republicans-to-be-gun-victims-vegas-massacre/797860/45 "2017-10-03T17:36:56Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > I’ll point out again that this person was fired almost immediately. > > Were this actually a conservative there would be a host of excuse-making, heming nad hawing, shuffling the event under the rug, claims that she is a nobody, and calls telling her targets that they should just buckle up and deal with it. Then a few days later when the pressure truly has mounted they would ‘resign’ after ‘ma ny prayer sessions’. > > Nope. She’s out. Within hours. I’m sure at some point some Conservative who shot off their mouthin an obscene way was fired within hours of the confirmation of the statement but right now I cannot for the life of me remember one. > **[Justine Sacco, Fired After Tweet on AIDS in Africa, Issues Apology](https://abcnews.go.com/International/justine-sacco-fired-tweet-aids-africa-issues-apology/story?id=21301833)** > > Justine Sacco's "hateful statements" evoking race and AIDS sparked outrage. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-its-okay-for-republicans-to-be-gun-victims-vegas-massacre/797860/46 "2017-10-03T17:41:43Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > [Justine Sacco, Fired After Tweet on AIDS in Africa, Issues Apology - ABC News](http://abcnews.go.com/International/justine-sacco-fired-tweet-aids-africa-issues-apology/story?id=21301833) Sacco was conservative? That was news to me as she is reported as being [quite liberal](http://hipsterconservative.com/tag/justine-sacco/) (albeit insensitive with her attempt at ‘satire’), or at least not very conservative. Want to try again? ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-its-okay-for-republicans-to-be-gun-victims-vegas-massacre/797860/47 "2017-10-03T18:10:52Z")
On the subject of asinine statements following the Vegas shootings - bonus points to Senator Sherrod Brown. Brown was responding to endorsement of a potential Republican opponent, Josh Mandel by a couple of alt-right flavored dingbats, and said: “On a day when America is already grieving it turns my stomach to hear that a group led by bigots will attempt to influence Ohio’s election for Senate.” If he had just started with “it turns my stomach” I could heartily agree, but no, he had to try to exploit the shootings for political gain. Which doesn’t make him as big a creep as Mandel, but Brown shouldn’t be attempting to play catchup. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-its-okay-for-republicans-to-be-gun-victims-vegas-massacre/797860/48 "2017-10-03T18:11:38Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Yup, one idiot said that, and that idiot appropriately got fired for it. > > What’s the discussion, here? Maybe they are pissed because CBS did not double down on the idiocy and refuse to do anything? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-its-okay-for-republicans-to-be-gun-victims-vegas-massacre/797860/49 "2017-10-03T18:21:06Z")
They’re miffed that CBS is infringing on her First Amendment rights. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-its-okay-for-republicans-to-be-gun-victims-vegas-massacre/797860/50 "2017-10-03T18:28:59Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > Sacco was conservative? That was news to me as she is reported as being [quite liberal](http://hipsterconservative.com/tag/justine-sacco/) (albeit insensitive with her attempt at ‘satire’), or at least not very conservative. > > Want to try again? More proof, as if needed, that **Okrahoma** doesn’t read his own links, and just looks for a headline he thinks will support his so-called argument. Incidently, you had to go all the way back to 2013 to find even this rather lame attempt to support your point? ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-its-okay-for-republicans-to-be-gun-victims-vegas-massacre/797860/51 "2017-10-03T18:37:42Z")
> [@Punoqllads](#): > > Tell that to Kinky Friedman. Then go the hell back to Stormfront. > [@Clothahump](#): > > Cite? > > Since when did they need enabling from Trump? > > Agreed. Trump has espoused a philosophy of escalation.One of the things he’s said frequently …and one of the most common statements that his staff utters in his defense…is “If you hit him, he’s going to hit back 10 times as hard”. I imagine that within the bubble of the Trump Organization…there were rules about “letting Trump win”. Rules that Trump never knew about. Now that he’s not a boss anymore but the worlds biggest employee he’s finding that those rules no longer apply. You want to hit back 10 times as hard? Best be prepared to get punched out even harder. It’s hard to give a measured response to someone that doesn’t know measured responses. And the internet and social media emboldens some people. I have seen people that run actual businesses dedicated to combatting bullying IRL act like vicious bullies online and on Facebook. I’m all in favor for holding people accountable for their actions on-line. I’m glad the lawyer was fired. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-its-okay-for-republicans-to-be-gun-victims-vegas-massacre/797860/52 "2017-10-03T18:46:21Z")
What the hell did Republicans ever do to make this person angry enough to say a thing like this‽ ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-its-okay-for-republicans-to-be-gun-victims-vegas-massacre/797860/53 "2017-10-03T18:53:27Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > [CBS fires vice president who said Vegas victims didn’t deserve sympathy because country music fans ‘often are Republican’.](http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/10/02/top-cbs-lawyer-no-sympathy-for-vegas-vics-probably-republicans.html) > > What an utter idiot. I’m glad CBS fired her. An idiot said something completely disgusting and got fired for it – hopefully to NEVER work in the “news” ever again. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-its-okay-for-republicans-to-be-gun-victims-vegas-massacre/797860/54 "2017-10-03T19:03:20Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > If I understand you correctly, you are saying that people believe that only Republicans listen to country music? If I read you correctly, it even looks like you believe that therefore hateful Liberals are fine with “them” getting shot. > > I was initially shocked when I read this, but then I saw your user name. > > No, not all people who listen to country music are Republicans. It doesn’t even occur to me to think so. Following the that pattern even further makes me feel queasy. > > You are a horrible little bog-dwelling leach. Go back to your swamp. I’m a left leaning, liberal leaning Democrat and I listen to country music sometimes. I suspect this idiot FORMER news clown will be used by Okra, O’Reilly, Alex Jones etc to sell the Vast Liberal False Flag Conspiracy that liberals were behind the shootings, in order to take away their guns (Jones has already started saying this false flag shit AGAIN). I also expected what I’ve been seeing already, the “Now is not the time to discuss gun control” bullshit again. I’m a gun owner and a pro second amendment guy who needs to ask … \*\*WHEN is the right time? \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Surreal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@Surreal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Surreal)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-its-okay-for-republicans-to-be-gun-victims-vegas-massacre/797860/55 "2017-10-03T19:03:27Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Not that I endorse such a sentiment, but she pretty clearly said her issue was with Republicans, not country music fans _per se_. > > But why is it “interesting” to you that she has a Jewish-sounding last name? If it were a rap concert where someone randomly killed 59 innocent people, and a media person named Travis Connor McWhitey said “I’m not even actually sympathetic because rap fans are often Democratic thugs”, I would assume that person making the statement was very likely racist against African-Americans, in addition to being rabidly anti-Democrat. ---
**Author:** ![Wolf333](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf333/32/3460_2.png) [@Wolf333](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolf333)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-its-okay-for-republicans-to-be-gun-victims-vegas-massacre/797860/56 "2017-10-03T19:11:44Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > Sacco was conservative? That was news to me as she is reported as being [quite liberal](http://hipsterconservative.com/tag/justine-sacco/) (albeit insensitive with her attempt at ‘satire’), or at least not very conservative. > > Want to try again? She said something vaguely racist. Conservative was the safe bet. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-its-okay-for-republicans-to-be-gun-victims-vegas-massacre/797860/57 "2017-10-03T19:13:52Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > I’m a left leaning, liberal leaning Democrat and I listen to country music sometimes. > > I suspect this idiot FORMER news clown will be used by Okra, O’Reilly, Alex Jones etc to sell the Vast Liberal False Flag Conspiracy that liberals were behind the shootings, in order to take away their guns (Jones has already started saying this false flag shit AGAIN). > > I also expected what I’ve been seeing already, the “Now is not the time to discuss gun control” bullshit again. I’m a gun owner and a pro second amendment guy who needs to ask … > > \*\*WHEN is the right time? \*\* We need to wait until we have forgotten the last shooting, otherwise, we may use people being killed as a reason to look for ways of preventing people from being killed. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-its-okay-for-republicans-to-be-gun-victims-vegas-massacre/797860/58 "2017-10-03T19:15:50Z")
> [@Surreal](#): > > … for those who listen to country music (which just so happens to be one of the most goyish things a person can possibly do) … Ray Benson and Kinky Friedman beg your pardon. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-its-okay-for-republicans-to-be-gun-victims-vegas-massacre/797860/59 "2017-10-03T19:20:52Z")
> [@Wolf333](#): > > She said something vaguely racist. Conservative was the safe bet. If she were conservative she would have been kept on her job for several more days before ‘resigning’. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-its-okay-for-republicans-to-be-gun-victims-vegas-massacre/797860/60 "2017-10-03T19:46:19Z")
> [@Surreal](#): > > If it were a rap concert where someone randomly killed 59 innocent people, and a media person named Travis Connor McWhitey said “I’m not even actually sympathetic because rap fans are often Democratic thugs”, I would assume that person making the statement was very likely racist against African-Americans, in addition to being rabidly anti-Democrat. Sorry, you’re still not being clear. It sounds very much like you were claiming that you could have reliably determined that Ms. Geftman-Gold is anti-Republican simply because she has a Jewish-sounding last name. I do hope I’m misunderstanding you, because that would be bigoted and idiotic. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-its-okay-for-republicans-to-be-gun-victims-vegas-massacre/797860.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-its-okay-for-republicans-to-be-gun-victims-vegas-massacre/797860.md?page=4)