# Apparently Netanyahu is a liar **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 9, 2011, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-netanyahu-is-a-liar/602390 "2011-11-09T14:08:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2011, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-netanyahu-is-a-liar/602390/21 "2011-11-09T16:41:51Z")
The most recent poll I could find in a cursory look online was from August 15 and gave Netanyahu a 29% approval rating. And yes, Bibi’s a douche, but he’s \*our \*douche. I’d be happy to see him go, but that doesn’t mean other world leaders get to talk about him like that - like it or not (in my case, definitely not), he’s the guy who has to represent my country on the international stage. I miss Sharon. Nobody trifled with Sharon. Oh, and Einat Wilf has a PhD in Political Science from Cambridge and is [unusually attractive](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einat_Wilf) for a politician. She’ll be forgiven for knowing who Machiavelli was. ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2011, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-netanyahu-is-a-liar/602390/22 "2011-11-09T16:55:21Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > The most recent poll I could find in a cursory look online was from August 15 and gave Netanyahu a 29% approval rating. And yes, Bibi’s a douche, but he’s \*our \*douche. I’d be happy to see him go, but that doesn’t mean other world leaders get to talk about him like that - like it or not (in my case, definitely not), he’s the guy who has to represent my country on the international stage.. Well, world leaders certainly shouldn’t trash each other in public. But its probably unrealistic to expect them not to discuss each other in private. (They’re probably just luck that they weren’t talking about Berlusconi while the mics were on) ---
**Author:** ![Capitaine\_Zombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e95f7d/32.png) [@Capitaine\_Zombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capitaine_Zombie)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2011, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-netanyahu-is-a-liar/602390/23 "2011-11-09T17:01:04Z")
I’ve bee reading a bit of “news” and comments from the Conservative side, and they seem to be running amok with Obama bashing on this. But it’s a kick by Sarko, Obama’s response is all _blasé_, definitely not insulting. They’re really grasping at anything to fuel their hate (and what happened to French bashing?! In the mid 2000s, this would have given us Bordeaux poured into the sewers, today nothing. This country is heading for a disaster if it’s gonna forego all of its greatest traditions). ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2011, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-netanyahu-is-a-liar/602390/24 "2011-11-09T17:23:54Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Oh, and Einat Wilf has a PhD in Political Science from Cambridge and is [unusually attractive](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einat_Wilf) for a politician. She’ll be forgiven for knowing who Machiavelli was. Wow. That’s spelled **W** ilf, right? Just checking. ---
**Author:** ![wevets](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9a140/32.png) [@wevets](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wevets)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2011, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-netanyahu-is-a-liar/602390/25 "2011-11-09T17:37:35Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I am merely attempting to add artistic verisimilitude to an otherwise bland and uninteresting narrative. What, the invigorating swordfight with the Palace Guard on your way out didn’t really happen? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2011, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-netanyahu-is-a-liar/602390/26 "2011-11-09T17:45:05Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > The most recent poll I could find in a cursory look online was from August 15 and gave Netanyahu a 29% approval rating. And yes, Bibi’s a douche, but he’s \*our \*douche. I’d be happy to see him go, but that doesn’t mean other world leaders get to talk about him like that - like it or not (in my case, definitely not), he’s the guy who has to represent my country on the international stage. When Bush was down to ~30% Americans would have been totally okay with it if a foreign dignitary called him a bad name. I would be have been okay with it if it happened at pretty much any point, for that matter. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2011, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-netanyahu-is-a-liar/602390/27 "2011-11-09T17:46:32Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > When Bush was down to ~30% Americans would have been totally okay with it if a foreign dignitary called him a bad name. I would be have been okay with it if it happened at pretty much any point, for that matter. Israelis are not Americans and Bibi isn’t Bush. Other than that, great analogy! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Asympotically\_fat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e47c2d/32.png) [@Asympotically\_fat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asympotically_fat)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2011, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-netanyahu-is-a-liar/602390/28 "2011-11-09T17:55:50Z")
Remember thoguh that directly comparing a US approval rating to a US approval rating doesn’t take in to account the vast differences in the US and Israeli electroal systems. Netanyahu’s Likud only polled ~22% of the popular vote in 2009 (a little under 1% behind the most popular party Kadima led by Livini). That said no time for Netanyahu, I don’t see how anyone can be that upset that a man who makes obsfuscation a central plank in his diplomatic strategy is called a liar. The only thing nice I can think to say about him is that he’s not Liebermann. As much as Netanyahu has a severe credibilty problem in the eyes of World leaders, I think the vast majority would rather deal with the Israeli PO’s office than the Foreign Office. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2011, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-netanyahu-is-a-liar/602390/29 "2011-11-09T17:57:28Z")
Uh… thanks? ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2011, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-netanyahu-is-a-liar/602390/30 "2011-11-09T18:00:45Z")
My father in law is a psychologist, and according to him, the fundamental, unshakeable foundation of all human psychology is Rule #1: Everybody lies. ---
**Author:** ![Omegaman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e480ec/32.png) [@Omegaman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omegaman)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2011, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-netanyahu-is-a-liar/602390/31 "2011-11-09T18:34:22Z")
> [@Ogre](#): > > My father in law is a psychologist, and according to him, the fundamental, unshakeable foundation of all human psychology is Rule #1: Everybody lies. WORD! ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2011, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-netanyahu-is-a-liar/602390/32 "2011-11-09T18:41:29Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > I’m gonna go way out on a limb and guess that (1) Obama is a liar; (2) Sarkozy is a liar; (3) Netanyahu is a liar; (4) George Bush (both) are liars; (5) Bill Clinton is a liar; (6) Ronald Reagan was a liar; (7) Jimmy Carter is a liar; and so on. > > In fact, I will really expose myself this morning and assert that in general, successful politicians are liars. OK, works for me > [@Ogre](#): > > My father in law is a psychologist, and according to him, the fundamental, unshakeable foundation of all human psychology is Rule #1: Everybody lies. I thought that was House? ---
**Author:** ![Rune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@Rune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rune)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2011, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-netanyahu-is-a-liar/602390/33 "2011-11-09T19:06:46Z")
No outrage around these parts. What you are experiencing is probably manufactured outrage by a select group of incestuous lobbyist and talking heads with an agenda trying their best to make it appear the whole world share their sentiments when most people don’t give a damn. Tell them to shut the fuck up. Most everybody else does. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2011, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-netanyahu-is-a-liar/602390/34 "2011-11-09T19:09:44Z")
Too bad we don’t have a _Survivor_ confessional where each world leader gets to spout off about the others. I would pay to see that! ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Tildrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e95f7d/32.png) [@Tom\_Tildrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Tildrum)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2011, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-netanyahu-is-a-liar/602390/35 "2011-11-09T19:41:56Z")
> [@Ogre](#): > > My father in law is a psychologist, and according to him, the fundamental, unshakeable foundation of all human psychology is Rule #1: Everybody lies. And you believed him? 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2011, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-netanyahu-is-a-liar/602390/36 "2011-11-09T19:42:10Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Oh, and Einat Wilf has a PhD in Political Science from Cambridge and is [unusually attractive](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einat_Wilf) for a politician. She’ll be forgiven for knowing who Machiavelli was. From your link: > [@](#): > > Rozen’s speaks as a Religious Zionist. He founded the office for conversion to Judaism in the Chief Rabbinate of Israel and he is a judge there. He directs the Zomet Institute for the interface of halakhah and technology and is the editor-in-chief of the annual journal Techumin published by that institute What is the “Office for Conversion to Judaism”? Are they checking up on foreign conversions? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2011, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-netanyahu-is-a-liar/602390/37 "2011-11-09T19:47:20Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > Wow. That’s spelled **W** ilf, right? Just checking. “W” for “Woman.” Damn, my Achilles heel is Jewish women. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2011, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-netanyahu-is-a-liar/602390/38 "2011-11-09T20:17:58Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Because this is the Pit, and I wasn’t exaggerating the effect of this non-story. Oh wait, I was. Well that was a sad attempt at exaggeration (or even a whoosh) then. Try this: “In a year’s time, the Florida Jewish voters will remember this devastating slight, this foul insult, this horrific insult by Obama, because their fury burns with the passion of 10,000 suns, and will never, never go away.” ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2011, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-netanyahu-is-a-liar/602390/39 "2011-11-09T20:23:22Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > This is a story? Story? Hell, it’s just the break the McCain campaign’s been waiting for! ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2011, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-netanyahu-is-a-liar/602390/40 "2011-11-09T20:28:14Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > … > Oh, and Einat Wilf has a PhD in Political Science from Cambridge and is [unusually attractive](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einat_Wilf) for a politician. She’ll be forgiven for knowing who Machiavelli was. Woo! Hot AND smart. She can join my coalition any time. I am ready to remove all borders and barriers between us, up to and including my pants. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-netanyahu-is-a-liar/602390.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-netanyahu-is-a-liar/602390.md?page=3)