# Apparently Netanyahu is a liar **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 9, 2011, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-netanyahu-is-a-liar/602390 "2011-11-09T14:08:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2011, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-netanyahu-is-a-liar/602390/41 "2011-11-10T01:32:12Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > And yes, Bibi’s a douche, but he’s \*our \*douche. I’d be happy to see him go, but that doesn’t mean other world leaders get to talk about him like that It’s naive to assume they won’t, and I of course they should be able to - when the mic is off. I think Obama should have replied that Bibi is an [unfuckable lard-arse](http://www.theweek.co.uk/europe/fall-berlusconi/2191/berlusconi-%E2%80%98called-merkel-unfuckable-lard-arse%E2%80%99). ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2011, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-netanyahu-is-a-liar/602390/42 "2011-11-10T01:39:25Z")
> [@Ogre](#): > > My father in law is a psychologist, and according to him, the fundamental, unshakeable foundation of all human psychology is Rule #1: Everybody lies. God damn it, it’s not lupus ! ---
**Author:** ![Icarus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icarus/32/72_2.png) [@Icarus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icarus)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2011, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-netanyahu-is-a-liar/602390/43 "2011-11-10T01:54:48Z")
> [@jjimm](#): > > I think Obama should have replied that Bibi is an [unfuckable lard-arse](http://www.theweek.co.uk/europe/fall-berlusconi/2191/berlusconi-%E2%80%98called-merkel-unfuckable-lard-arse%E2%80%99). …gonna miss old Silvio, always good for a laugh… ---
**Author:** ![newcomer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e5b9ba/32.png) [@newcomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcomer)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2011, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-netanyahu-is-a-liar/602390/44 "2011-11-10T02:15:03Z")
This must be lamest Pitting in a while… But two interesting things… first, somehow Netanyahu known to be quite aggressive and impolite far right radical of Israeli politics gets a pass on being called a liar because, all politicians are liars so if another politician calls N. a liar it’s worthless b/c they’re all liars. A very lame apologetic stance. Another interesting thing is that somehow Netanyahu is being presented as equal to the presidents of 2 of the Top 5 countries in the world discussing at the top world summit G20 where Israel does not belong. Hell, President of US should not be afraid to call anyone a damn liar if he wants to. WTF?! It’s a very weird direction that this Pitting is taking. I’m predicting by the time the thread is over Sarkozy and Obama will end up being factual liars with dozen or so cites and Netanyahu will get a honorary Dope Award for being that rare bird among politicians, an honest broker for peace and coexistence. And, that award is one last step before Nobel Peace prize. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2011, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-netanyahu-is-a-liar/602390/45 "2011-11-10T03:26:31Z")
> [@newcomer](#): > > And, that award is one last step before Nobel Peace prize. Hell, Obama’s already got that, for doing…what? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Farmer\_Jane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Farmer\_Jane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farmer_Jane)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2011, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-netanyahu-is-a-liar/602390/46 "2011-11-10T04:37:44Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > When Bush was down to ~30% Americans would have been totally okay with it if a foreign dignitary called him a bad name. I would be have been okay with it if it happened at pretty much any point, for that matter. Depends. If an enemy was launching rockets into your neighborhood, you may feel a little bit different about it. At the moment, Netanyahu is the leader of the only Jewish country in the world - one that most Jews have some tie to, either through visits, family, dual citizenship, or whatever. I personally don’t think that Israel is the crux of my Jewish identity (at _all_- it’s annoying, actually, the amount of attention and cash we’re supposed to give Israel) but I can’t help but to feel sad about (what most Jews view as) lopsided and thinly veiled antiSemetic jabs at Israel on the world stage. What Obama said wasn’t anti-Semetic - hell no - but it was in poor taste. And given the context of the convo, (France’s position of the UN recognition of a Palestinian state), it’s just extra sour. Because that comment wasn’t about Netanyahu alone - it was also about Israel in general. ---
**Author:** ![Farmer\_Jane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Farmer\_Jane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farmer_Jane)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2011, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-netanyahu-is-a-liar/602390/47 "2011-11-10T04:39:02Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Hell, Obama’s already got that, for doing…what? 🙂 Why did the chicken cross the road? To win the Nobel Prize. ---
**Author:** ![Themenin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ee59a6/32.png) [@Themenin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Themenin)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2011, 10:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-netanyahu-is-a-liar/602390/48 "2011-11-10T10:34:17Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > Well, world leaders certainly shouldn’t trash each other in public. But its probably unrealistic to expect them not to discuss each other in private. > > (They’re probably just luck that they weren’t talking about Berlusconi while the mics were on) How about right out in the open ? [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/D8NtEXnc4jY/hqdefault.jpg "Merkel, Sarkozy discuss Berlusconi (w/ subtitles)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8NtEXnc4jY) Though I guess giggling doesn’t really count as badmouthing… ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2011, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-netanyahu-is-a-liar/602390/49 "2011-11-10T12:29:31Z")
> [@newcomer](#): > > This must be lamest Pitting in a while… Well, I’m kinda with you on this one. It seems to be burning with the heat a brown dwarf star. My reason for putting it here was largely erroneous, however, in that I was not in fact pounced upon as an antisemite (which I’m not, but I’ve been misunderstood before) for failing to condemn the Frenchman and the negro who mocked him. I still like the other info it’s generating (ie: Wilf is a hottie and I respect her dearly!!) though. So in keeping with the current level of fury: Darn you and your opinion to heck you…you…you…person who is somewhat less keen of wit than I! ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2011, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-netanyahu-is-a-liar/602390/50 "2011-11-10T13:25:45Z")
> [@CitizenPained](#): > > And given the context of the convo, (France’s position of the UN recognition of a Palestinian state), it’s just extra sour. Because that comment wasn’t about Netanyahu alone - it was also about Israel in general. You’re talking shite. A man unaware that the mic is on makes a comment about Netanyahu being a liar. It’s not a statement about Israel, the jews, or anything else. It’s Sarkozy calling Netanyahu a liar. What makes your comment particularly amusing is the preamble, about being annoyed at the prominence of Israel as a topic, and then making it the centre of this particular incident. Nice line in consistency there. Sometimes, it’s possible for one person to dislike another, without it being anything to do with their race, creed, beliefs or anything else. In this case, Sarkozy is making his personal dislike of Netanyahu clear to Obama. As already pointed out by Simplicio, that seems to be quite a common theme. ---
**Author:** ![Capitaine\_Zombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e95f7d/32.png) [@Capitaine\_Zombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capitaine_Zombie)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2011, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-netanyahu-is-a-liar/602390/51 "2011-11-10T13:28:26Z")
> [@Gary\_Kumquat](#): > > What makes your comment particularly amusing is the preamble, about being annoyed at the prominence of Israel as a topic, and then making it the centre of this particular incident. Nice line in consistency there. She should marry **Ambivalid**. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2011, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-netanyahu-is-a-liar/602390/52 "2011-11-10T13:30:49Z")
> [@jjimm](#): > > I think Obama should have replied that Bibi is an [unfuckable lard-arse](http://www.theweek.co.uk/europe/fall-berlusconi/2191/berlusconi-%E2%80%98called-merkel-unfuckable-lard-arse%E2%80%99). Given the context of the conversation, it’s clear that this comment wasn’t about only Merkel’s arse. It was also about German arses in general. ---
**Author:** ![11811](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/1/9d8465/32.png) [@11811](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/11811)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2011, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-netanyahu-is-a-liar/602390/53 "2011-11-10T14:23:37Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Oh, and Einat Wilf has a PhD in Political Science from Cambridge and is [unusually attractive](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einat_Wilf) for a politician. She’ll be forgiven for knowing who Machiavelli was. How do you say “hubba hubba” in Hebrew? ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2011, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-netanyahu-is-a-liar/602390/54 "2011-11-10T15:49:12Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > The most recent poll I could find in a cursory look online was from August 15 and gave Netanyahu a 29% approval rating. And yes, Bibi’s a douche, but he’s \*our \*douche. I’d be happy to see him go, but that doesn’t mean other world leaders get to talk about him like that - like it or not (in my case, definitely not), he’s the guy who has to represent my country on the international stage. I can get behind this. Jessie Helms used to be my Senator. I hated his politics, and I really didn’t much like him personally, either. However, it would chap my ass when people would bad mouth him. To paraphrase Boone and Otter from Animal House: “They can’t do that to our Senator.” “Yeah only WE can do that to our Senator.” > [@Ogre](#): > > My father in law is a psychologist, and according to him, the fundamental, unshakeable foundation of all human psychology is Rule #1: Everybody lies. I don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2011, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-netanyahu-is-a-liar/602390/55 "2011-11-10T15:50:29Z")
> [@CitizenPained](#): > > What Obama said wasn’t anti-Semetic - hell no - but it was in poor taste. And given the context of the convo, (France’s position of the UN recognition of a Palestinian state), it’s just extra sour. Because that comment wasn’t about Netanyahu alone - it was also about Israel in general. What on earth are you talking about? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2011, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-netanyahu-is-a-liar/602390/56 "2011-11-10T15:51:36Z")
> [@11811](#): > > How do you say “hubba hubba” in Hebrew? “Oye vey!” ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2011, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-netanyahu-is-a-liar/602390/57 "2011-11-10T15:52:04Z")
> [@11811](#): > > How do you say “hubba hubba” in Hebrew? Hubba Hubba is Hebrew. Although it’s usually written “Chubbat”. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2011, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-netanyahu-is-a-liar/602390/58 "2011-11-10T17:24:47Z")
> [@CitizenPained](#): > > At the moment, Netanyahu is the leader of the only Jewish country in the world By this logic you excuse every Israeli leader from criticism, until such time as there is more than one Jewish country. > [@](#): > > What Obama said wasn’t anti-Semetic - hell no - but it was in poor taste. Taste? What? Bollocks. > [@](#): > > And given the context of the convo, (France’s position of the UN recognition of a Palestinian state), it’s just extra sour. You what? Utter bollocks. > [@](#): > > Because that comment wasn’t about Netanyahu alone - it was also about Israel in general. WTF? Total bollocks. (See earlier comment re. German butts.) There is some weird kind of paranoia in your political thinking. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2011, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-netanyahu-is-a-liar/602390/59 "2011-11-10T17:41:13Z")
> [@jjimm](#): > > WTF? Total bollocks. Is this like unto “Oye”, “Oye Vey” and “Oye Gevalt”? ---
**Author:** ![wmfellows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c2a13f/32.png) [@wmfellows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wmfellows)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2011, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-netanyahu-is-a-liar/602390/60 "2011-11-10T18:24:17Z")
> [@CitizenPained](#): > > Depends. If an enemy was launching rockets into your neighborhood, you may feel a little bit different about it. > > At the moment, Netanyahu is the leader of the only Jewish country in the world - one that most Jews have some tie to, either through visits, family, dual citizenship, or whatever. I personally don’t think that Israel is the crux of my Jewish identity (at _all_- it’s annoying, actually, the amount of attention and cash we’re supposed to give Israel) but I can’t help but to feel sad about (what most Jews view as) lopsided and thinly veiled antiSemetic jabs at Israel on the world stage. What Obama said wasn’t anti-Semetic - hell no - but it was in poor taste. And given the context of the convo, (France’s position of the UN recognition of a Palestinian state), it’s just extra sour. Because that comment wasn’t about Netanyahu alone - it was also about Israel in general. What a wierd, sad paraniod world view you have. A bunch of people think Bibi is a raging asshole. Says nothing about Jews or Israelis (unless of course - as seems to be the case in your case - they share his raging assholeness). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-netanyahu-is-a-liar/602390.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-netanyahu-is-a-liar/602390.md?page=4)