# Apparently saying "all lives matter" is racist according to a BLM's co-founder. **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [July 16, 2016, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-saying-all-lives-matter-is-racist-according-to-a-blms-co-founder/760083 "2016-07-16T23:16:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2016, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-saying-all-lives-matter-is-racist-according-to-a-blms-co-founder/760083/201 "2016-07-21T12:02:34Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > ALL LIVES MATTER > > Why? Because ALL lives DO matter. This is a simple statement. The world would be a better place if everyone took this message to heart. All Lives Matter. > > Who could object to such a simple, direct, and all-encompassing message of peace and love for all? Psychopaths would top the list. Racists would reject such a message. Terrorists chose to ignore the fact that the lives of those they chose to terrorize are important. And, of course, those advocating for the only Black Lives Matter message. So, basically, almost no one, then. Psychopaths, racists, terrorists, and a fictional organization that you keep mentioning. > [@](#): > > All lives matter is not the opposite of black lives matter. Both are obviously true and both are obviously compatible with the other. Oh my god. Are you saying that Black Lives Matter? Alert the media! **doorhinge** supports Black Lives Matter! > [@](#): > > All Lives Matter is not a subversive message, unless you chose to make it one. And if others are willing to allow you to make it a subversive message. The ALL LIVES MATTER message could be used to bring people together. > > It seems to me that, if they were smart, the Only Black Lives Matter crowd could use the ALL LIVES MATTER message to create a larger support base. Instead, they chose to alienate people who believe that all lives matter by calling them racists. How stupid is that! I agree that this fantasy not-real fictional group of zero real people called “Only Black Lives Matter” are assholes, and you have done well of slaying this straw man. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2016, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-saying-all-lives-matter-is-racist-according-to-a-blms-co-founder/760083/202 "2016-07-21T12:10:54Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Oh my god. Are you saying that Black Lives Matter? Alert the media! **doorhinge** supports Black Lives Matter! He said that the claim that all lives matter is compatible with the claim that black lives matter. You’re for some reason treating this as a stunning revelation. I can find you a number of people who’ll say that all lives matter, and if asked will specify that of course black lives matter; is there anyone who has announced that all lives matter, but doesn’t agree when asked whether that means black lives matter? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2016, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-saying-all-lives-matter-is-racist-according-to-a-blms-co-founder/760083/203 "2016-07-21T12:12:40Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > He said that the claim that all lives matter is compatible with the claim that black lives matter. You’re for some reason treating this as a stunning revelation. Stunning coming from **doorhinge**. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2016, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-saying-all-lives-matter-is-racist-according-to-a-blms-co-founder/760083/204 "2016-07-21T12:18:51Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Stunning coming from **doorhinge**. He’s said, many times, that all lives matter. Did you really think that folks who say that all lives matter didn’t notice that “black lives” are a subset of “all lives”? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2016, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-saying-all-lives-matter-is-racist-according-to-a-blms-co-founder/760083/205 "2016-07-21T12:42:00Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > He’s said, many times, that all lives matter. Did you really think that folks who say that all lives matter didn’t notice that “black lives” are a subset of “all lives”? My comment was just about him, considering all the criticism and slander he’s laid upon the Black Lives Matter movement. Not about anyone else. ---
**Author:** ![epolo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b487fb/32.png) [@epolo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/epolo)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2016, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-saying-all-lives-matter-is-racist-according-to-a-blms-co-founder/760083/206 "2016-07-21T14:17:03Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > I think a better example is “I’m not homophobic. I think gay people should be perfectly free to marry someone of the opposite sex. All marriages matter, after all.” Fair enough. I was only commenting on the pedantry. Og knows this board is a den of pedantry and I’m sure someone who was willing to search would easily find lengthy debates about the precise meaning and usage of “antisemitic” and “homophobic”. If I were going after the fundamental hypocrisy of the argument, as made by those in power, that any attempt to level the playing field is somehow special pleading I would have quoted Anatole France: “In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal loaves of bread.” Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2016, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-saying-all-lives-matter-is-racist-according-to-a-blms-co-founder/760083/207 "2016-07-21T16:46:47Z")
If I didn’t know better, I could have sworn that doorhinge is being paid not to understand. As Upton Sinclair said, “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!” ---
**Author:** ![Reluctant\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/839c29/32.png) [@Reluctant\_A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reluctant_A)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2016, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-saying-all-lives-matter-is-racist-according-to-a-blms-co-founder/760083/208 "2016-07-21T17:17:43Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Which doesn’t change the fact that ALL lives DO matter. There is a repeated and consistent pattern of behavior, on the part of the police, which indicates that this is not true. Which is the reason why Black Lives Matter exists in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2016, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-saying-all-lives-matter-is-racist-according-to-a-blms-co-founder/760083/209 "2016-07-21T17:21:53Z")
> [@Reluctant\_A](#): > > There is a repeated and consistent pattern of behavior, on the part of the police, which indicates that this is not true. Which is the reason why Black Lives Matter exists in the first place. But you could just as easily say that pattern of behavior indicates that the _other_ phrase is not true; you can say that cops aren’t acting like all lives matter, and you can say that cops aren’t acting like black lives matter. How is that a strike against one, but not the other? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2016, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-saying-all-lives-matter-is-racist-according-to-a-blms-co-founder/760083/210 "2016-07-21T17:25:19Z")
“All lives matter” and “Black lives matter” are not claims, they are SLOGANS and they represent something beyond the actual words used. ---
**Author:** ![Reluctant\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/839c29/32.png) [@Reluctant\_A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reluctant_A)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2016, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-saying-all-lives-matter-is-racist-according-to-a-blms-co-founder/760083/211 "2016-07-21T18:07:27Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > But you could just as easily say that pattern of behavior indicates that the _other_ phrase is not true; you can say that cops aren’t acting like all lives matter, and you can say that cops aren’t acting like black lives matter. > > How is that a strike against one, but not the other? I feel like BLM’s point is that we already know that “all lives” _don’t_ matter to the police _because_ black lives don’t matter to the police. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2016, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-saying-all-lives-matter-is-racist-according-to-a-blms-co-founder/760083/212 "2016-07-21T18:21:49Z")
> [@Reluctant\_A](#): > > I feel like BLM’s point is that we already know that “all lives” _don’t_ matter to the police _because_ black lives don’t matter to the police. Well, sure. I’m not telling BLM to change their slogan; I’m saying, if cops aren’t acting like all lives matter – because they’re not acting like black lives matter – then I’d nod in just as much agreement if someone (a) cries out that the police should start acting like black lives matter, or if he (b) cries out that the police should start acting like all lives matter. I wouldn’t assume either one is a racist for expressing that sentiment. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2016, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-saying-all-lives-matter-is-racist-according-to-a-blms-co-founder/760083/213 "2016-07-21T19:03:28Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > It seems to me that, if they were smart, the Only Black Lives Matter crowd could use the ALL LIVES MATTER message to create a larger support base. Instead, they chose to alienate people who believe that all lives matter by calling them racists. How stupid is that! There is no “Only Black Lives Matter”. But it’s only black people who are being executed in the streets. And that’s been OK with the “All Lives Matter” people. Because they are lying hypocrites. See, if white people were being gunned down in the street also, then “All Lives Matter” might be appropriate. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2016, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-saying-all-lives-matter-is-racist-according-to-a-blms-co-founder/760083/214 "2016-07-22T16:41:01Z")
> [@Go\_Arachnid\_Laser](#): > > It can mean that. It can mean that you’re hungry. It can mean a trillion different things. > > In this context it only means one. > > In the context, “Black Lives Matter” means “Police are targeting black people”. And in that same context, “All Lives Matter” is in opposition to that. It’s not used as some sort of humanistic vindication. Wrong. All Lives Matter means that ALL LIVES DO MATTER. Yellow lives, red lives, black lives, white lives, rainbow lives, blue lives, etc. All Lives Matter. The haters and racists advocating only Black Lives Matter can’t say All Lives Matter because they hate cops and want them to fry 'em like bacon. _What do they want? Dead cops. When do they want them? NOW!_ Blue lives do not matter to the only Black Lives Matter mob. The haters and racists advocating only Black Lives Matter can’t say All Lives Matter because they attack gay lives. The only Black Lives Matter mob harass the LGBT community for holding meetings and parades. Gay lives do not matter to the only Black Lives Matter mob. Only black lives matter. “IF” the only Black Lives Matter mob were smarter than they appear, they would welcome those who say All Lives Matter. All Lives Matter includes black lives. But the racist only Black Lives Matter mob rejects the fact that all lives matter and it appears that they have used social media to harass, intimidate, and threaten people who have said All Lives Matter. How dare someone decide for themselves that all lives matter. Don’t they realize that they must think like the haters and racist s advocating only Black Lives Matter? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2016, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-saying-all-lives-matter-is-racist-according-to-a-blms-co-founder/760083/215 "2016-07-22T16:49:26Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > There is no “Only Black Lives Matter”. But it’s only black people who are being executed in the streets. And that’s been OK with the “All Lives Matter” people. Because they are lying hypocrites. > > See, if white people were being gunned down in the street also, then “All Lives Matter” might be appropriate. (underline added) All Lives Matter is appropriate because… Are you ready for it? because ALL LIVES DO MATTER. And who told you, “And that’s been OK with the “All Lives Matter” people”? Was it the only black Lives Matter folks? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2016, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-saying-all-lives-matter-is-racist-according-to-a-blms-co-founder/760083/216 "2016-07-22T16:53:11Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > The haters and racists advocating only Black Lives Matter can’t say All Lives Matter because they hate cops and want them to fry 'em like bacon. _What do they want? Dead cops. When do they want them? NOW!_ Blue lives do not matter to the only Black Lives Matter mob. > > The haters and racists advocating only Black Lives Matter can’t say All Lives Matter because they attack gay lives. The only Black Lives Matter mob harass the LGBT community for holding meetings and parades. Gay lives do not matter to the only Black Lives Matter mob. Only black lives matter. > > “IF” the only Black Lives Matter mob were smarter than they appear, they would welcome those who say All Lives Matter. All Lives Matter includes black lives. But the racist only Black Lives Matter mob rejects the fact that all lives matter and it appears that they have used social media to harass, intimidate, and threaten people who have said All Lives Matter. How dare someone decide for themselves that all lives matter. Don’t they realize that they must think like the haters and racist s advocating only Black Lives Matter? Why spend so much time talking about this fictional group that doesn’t exist that advocates “only Black Lives Matter”? I understand you really don’t like these fictional, non-existent people, but why spend so much emotion on them? For your own health and welfare, I recommend you try to focus on people and things that exist in the real world. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2016, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-saying-all-lives-matter-is-racist-according-to-a-blms-co-founder/760083/217 "2016-07-22T16:54:10Z")
> [@Reluctant\_A](#): > > There is a repeated and consistent pattern of behavior, on the part of the police, which indicates that this is not true. Which is the reason why Black Lives Matter exists in the first place. Which does not change the fact that all lives do matter. It’s the haters and racists advocating only Black Lives Matter that reject the claim/slogan that All Lives Matter. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2016, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-saying-all-lives-matter-is-racist-according-to-a-blms-co-founder/760083/218 "2016-07-22T16:54:48Z")
If someone says: “Black lives matter”, and one’s response is anything other than: “Yes, they do”, then one is at best misguided, and at worst, well, you know. ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2016, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-saying-all-lives-matter-is-racist-according-to-a-blms-co-founder/760083/219 "2016-07-22T17:05:04Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > And who told you, “And that’s been OK with the “All Lives Matter” people”? Was it the only black Lives Matter folks? It’s apparent, because you haven’t done a thing about it. And, when presented with an organization (affiliation under a slogan, or whatever it is that BLM is) that’s purpose is to draw attention to the fact, your response is to quibble about how they’re not nice people, or hypocrites for dying at the hands of white people without using proper inclusive language, or whatever. Who gives a shit if ‘Black Lives Matter’ is nothing but a bunch of whiny assholes. Being a whiny asshole is an understandable (if not the only) response to numerous real and imminent injustices that lead directly to loss of life and liberty that you and I don’t have to worry about. So if BLM pisses you off, I suggest working double-hard on addressing those injustices, so that they won’t have a reason to get angry in a way you disapprove of. It’s win/win; everybody gets what they want! ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2016, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-saying-all-lives-matter-is-racist-according-to-a-blms-co-founder/760083/220 "2016-07-22T17:07:37Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > If someone says: “Black lives matter”, and one’s response is anything other than: “Yes, they do”, then one is at best misguided, and at worst, well, you know. (Underline added) Hahahaha. I must have missed your election to free speech czar of the internet. Congratulations. It’s now obvious that the only possible response to “Black Lives Matter” must be “Yes, they do” because someone on the internet calling themselves **bobot** has decreed it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-saying-all-lives-matter-is-racist-according-to-a-blms-co-founder/760083.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-saying-all-lives-matter-is-racist-according-to-a-blms-co-founder/760083.md?page=12)