# Apparently saying "all lives matter" is racist according to a BLM's co-founder. **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [July 16, 2016, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-saying-all-lives-matter-is-racist-according-to-a-blms-co-founder/760083 "2016-07-16T23:16:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2016, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-saying-all-lives-matter-is-racist-according-to-a-blms-co-founder/760083/161 "2016-07-20T03:38:21Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > They’re racist because they draw racists groups to their rallies. They’re liars because their purpose is not “black lives matter” but hatred toward police officers. They’re anarchists because they shut down establishments that have zero to do with anything related to black lives or their hatred of police officers. So, does the fact that some people who hate abortion kill doctors and blow up clinics mean that everyone who protests against abortion hates women and doctors? The smiling selfies the demonstrators in Dallas took with the police before the horror is proof enough that they did not hate cops. BTW, the lunch counter sit-ins shut down establishments also. Horrible, right? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2016, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-saying-all-lives-matter-is-racist-according-to-a-blms-co-founder/760083/162 "2016-07-20T04:04:07Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > The smiling selfies the demonstrators in Dallas took with the police before the horror is proof enough that they did not hate cops. they weren’t taking selfies with the police in the video I posted. > [@Voyager](#): > > BTW, the lunch counter sit-ins shut down establishments also. Horrible, right? BTW,the lunch counters were discriminating against black people. The sit in’s would have made money if they had, you know, SERVED THEM. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2016, 9:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-saying-all-lives-matter-is-racist-according-to-a-blms-co-founder/760083/163 "2016-07-20T09:17:47Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > who do you think those cameras help? They help the police officers and it benefits the cities who buy them. You don’t think they’re a good thing? They’ve become more prominent because of protests against police violence. > [@](#): > > The 8 dead cops and the businesses harmed would disagree. And it’s not like you can’t google [videos](http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/07/caught-video-black-lives-matter-leader-calls-running-shooting-police/)of them promoting violence that killed the cops. > > Whatever you do, you pull your pistol out and f_cking bust them… Trust me when you see me move, I’m moving in violence. We need action. I don’t give a f_ck if you knock them over, whether you run up on them, whatever you do, you better f\*cking take action. Some protesters are assholes. This doesn’t indict the whole movement, just like the racists among various conservative movements don’t indict the whole movement. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2016, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-saying-all-lives-matter-is-racist-according-to-a-blms-co-founder/760083/164 "2016-07-20T16:20:36Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > What about you? Do you think saying “all lives matter” is a racist thing to say? Yes or no? Yes, its racist, or the person saying it doesn’t get it. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2016, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-saying-all-lives-matter-is-racist-according-to-a-blms-co-founder/760083/165 "2016-07-20T17:42:19Z")
> [@YogSothoth](#): > > Yes, its racist, or the person saying it doesn’t get it. No. Saying “ALL LIVES MATTER” is not racist. It’s ALL inclusive. ALL lives do matter. Except to racist groups such as the Only Black Lives Matter types. All lives matter, even to the Bureau of Land Management (BLM). ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2016, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-saying-all-lives-matter-is-racist-according-to-a-blms-co-founder/760083/166 "2016-07-20T17:43:28Z")
All lives matter is technically true, but can irritate. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2016, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-saying-all-lives-matter-is-racist-according-to-a-blms-co-founder/760083/167 "2016-07-20T18:00:45Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > No. Saying “ALL LIVES MATTER” is not racist. It’s ALL inclusive. ALL lives do matter. Except to racist groups such as the Only Black Lives Matter types. You keep referring to this organization, but it doesn’t appear to exist. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2016, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-saying-all-lives-matter-is-racist-according-to-a-blms-co-founder/760083/168 "2016-07-20T18:11:40Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > No. Saying “ALL LIVES MATTER” is not racist. It’s ALL inclusive. ALL lives do matter. Except to racist groups such as the Only Black Lives Matter types. > > All lives matter, even to the Bureau of Land Management (BLM). [#44](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19483302&postcount=44) Saying All Lives Matter is racist ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2016, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-saying-all-lives-matter-is-racist-according-to-a-blms-co-founder/760083/169 "2016-07-20T18:14:05Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > You keep referring to this organization, but it doesn’t appear to exist. Sure they do. They’re loosely affiliated with the Democrat Party and the Messiah Obama. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ecks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bcef8e/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ecks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ecks)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2016, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-saying-all-lives-matter-is-racist-according-to-a-blms-co-founder/760083/170 "2016-07-20T18:28:48Z")
I had a conversation about this with a coworker, and I came up with an analogy- I don’t know if I changed any minds, but I think it works. Imagine your house has been broken into. You go to the police, but they say these things happen, and they’ll do their best, but they probably won’t find the burglars or get your stuff back. OK, that’s disappointing but reasonable. You tell your neighbor what happened, and he says he’s been robbed, too. In fact, most people on the street have- but on other streets nearby, only one or two people have been robbed. So you go back, and tell them about the problem on your street, and ask what they’re going to do about it. And the reply is “All streets matter” How would you feel? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2016, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-saying-all-lives-matter-is-racist-according-to-a-blms-co-founder/760083/171 "2016-07-20T18:36:04Z")
Well, look, if you explain that you’ll do your best because my street matters, or because all streets matter, then I’ll feel as good as possible; and if you tell me you’re not going to do much for me and mine, only to add that my street matters – or that all streets matter – then I’m going to feel worse. If you’re truly on my side, then thanks – whether it’s because my street matters to you, or because all streets do. If you’re not, then I don’t want to hear either. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2016, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-saying-all-lives-matter-is-racist-according-to-a-blms-co-founder/760083/172 "2016-07-20T18:41:39Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > All lives matter is technically true, but can irritate. It only seems to irritate racists. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2016, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-saying-all-lives-matter-is-racist-according-to-a-blms-co-founder/760083/173 "2016-07-20T18:49:33Z")
> [@YogSothoth](#): > > [#44](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19483302&postcount=44) > > Saying All Lives Matter is racist No, saying “All Lives Matter” is not racist. While some people have chosen to say it’s racist, they have not convinced the majority of the people to change the common-sense view that all lives do, in fact, matter. Black lives, blue lives, white lives, brown lives, red lives, yellow lives, etc. ALL LIVES MATTER, except to those who hold the view that only Black Lives Matter. Long live the Bureau of Land Management (est. 1946)!!! ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ecks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bcef8e/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ecks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ecks)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2016, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-saying-all-lives-matter-is-racist-according-to-a-blms-co-founder/760083/174 "2016-07-20T18:53:04Z")
I though the analogy was clear- your concerns are being dismissed out of hand by implying that you want special privileges, when none are deserved, instead of acknowledging that a real problem exists and that the situation on your street is different than the other streets. Because that’s exactly what the “All lives matter” people are doing. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2016, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-saying-all-lives-matter-is-racist-according-to-a-blms-co-founder/760083/175 "2016-07-20T18:58:44Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ecks](#): > > I though the analogy was clear- your concerns are being dismissed out of hand by implying that you want special privileges, when none are deserved, instead of acknowledging that a real problem exists and that the situation on your street is different than the other streets. Because that’s exactly what the “All lives matter” people are doing. Says who? If my situation is bad, and you help as best you can instead of dismissing my concerns out of hand, the. I don’t much care whether it’s because you think my street matters or because all streets matter. And if you dismiss my concerns out of hand, then I likewise don’t care which slogan you mouth but don’t mean. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2016, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-saying-all-lives-matter-is-racist-according-to-a-blms-co-founder/760083/176 "2016-07-20T18:59:38Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > No, saying “All Lives Matter” is not racist. While some people have chosen to say it’s racist, they have not convinced the majority of the people to change the common-sense view that all lives do, in fact, matter. Black lives, blue lives, white lives, brown lives, red lives, yellow lives, etc. ALL LIVES MATTER, except to those who hold the view that only Black Lives Matter. > > Long live the Bureau of Land Management (est. 1946)!!! Thankfully, pretty much no one holds the view that only Black Lives Matter. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2016, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-saying-all-lives-matter-is-racist-according-to-a-blms-co-founder/760083/177 "2016-07-20T19:09:45Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Thankfully, pretty much no one holds the view that only Black Lives Matter. So you are saying that all lives matter? Isn’t that implication racist? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2016, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-saying-all-lives-matter-is-racist-according-to-a-blms-co-founder/760083/178 "2016-07-20T19:41:23Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > So you are saying that all lives matter? Isn’t that implication racist? > > Regards, > Shodan No, I don’t believe “all lives matter” – I don’t care about the lives of mosquitoes, or various parasitic eukaryotes, or tsetse flies and other disease vectors. There are many lives that don’t matter in the least to me. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2016, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-saying-all-lives-matter-is-racist-according-to-a-blms-co-founder/760083/179 "2016-07-20T19:50:50Z")
I believe that all lives matter. I also believe that saying that in a discussion of the disparate treatment of minorities in the American justice system is usually a dick move done by racists to shut down the dialog. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2016, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-saying-all-lives-matter-is-racist-according-to-a-blms-co-founder/760083/180 "2016-07-20T20:26:25Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > No, I don’t believe “all lives matter” – I don’t care about the lives of mosquitoes, or various parasitic eukaryotes, or tsetse flies and other disease vectors. What about the lives of black flies? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-saying-all-lives-matter-is-racist-according-to-a-blms-co-founder/760083.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-saying-all-lives-matter-is-racist-according-to-a-blms-co-founder/760083.md?page=10)