# Apparently the US thinks I'm a bad guy **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [July 8, 2006, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-the-us-thinks-im-a-bad-guy/363628 "2006-07-08T14:23:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2006, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-the-us-thinks-im-a-bad-guy/363628/1 "2006-07-08T14:23:38Z")
My Paypal account has been cancelled and I received this e-mail from them: > [@](#): > > Dear Ale XXX, > > Access to your PayPal account has been denied because your name is > similar to or a match to an entry on the Office of Foreign Assets > Control Specially Designated Nationals (SDN) list. We are required to > further verify your identity. In order to regain access to your > account, > please provide the following documentation: > > 1. A copy of government-issued photograph identification (i.e. > passport, driver’s license). > > 2. A copy of a utility bill verifying your address > > 3. A copy of a document verifying your date and place of birth. > > Please fax the information to +1 303-395-2802, Attention: Compliance. > The documents may also be mailed to the following address: > > ``` > PayPal, Attention: Compliance > P.O. Box 45950 > Omaha, NE 68145 > United States > > ``` > > Please provide the requested information within the next 30 days. If > this information is not received within the next 30 days, your PayPal > account will be closed. > > Please include the email address listed on your PayPal account in all > correspondence. > > Reply to this e-mail with all questions at [ofacappeal@paypal.com](mailto:ofacappeal@paypal.com) > > Copyright (c) 1999-2006 PayPal. All rights reserved. PayPal (Europe) > Ltd. is authorised and regulated by the Financial Services Authority in > the United Kingdom as an electronic money institution. PayPal FSA > Register Number: 226056 > > Sincerely, > Megan > PayPal Compliance Department > PayPal, an eBay Company I took the liberty of looking up the Office of Foreign Assets Control Specially Designated Nationals and right on their [homepage](http://www.treas.gov/offices/enforcement/ofac/index.html) it states that the office > [@](#): > > …enforces economic and trade sanctions based on US foreign policy and national security goals against targeted foreign countries, terrorists, international narcotics traffickers, and those engaged in activities related to the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction\*. Uh, thrilling, a computer decided that I can be a terrorist or a drug lord or something. How´s the weather in Guantanamo this time of the year? Joking aside, is this something to be concerned about or what? I´m planning to change planes in L.A. next December in a trip to Thailand and I wouldn´t like to be stopped there because my name is on a database of Evil Doers®. \*_I swear that the ICBM I keep over my mantle piece is only for decorative purposes_ ---
**Author:** ![Winston\_Smith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e95f7d/32.png) [@Winston\_Smith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Winston_Smith)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2006, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-the-us-thinks-im-a-bad-guy/363628/2 "2006-07-08T14:29:33Z")
It sounds like PayPal is trying to scam you and steal your identity. Weird. ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2006, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-the-us-thinks-im-a-bad-guy/363628/3 "2006-07-08T14:33:12Z")
[QUOTE=Winston Smith] It sounds like PayPal is trying to scam you and steal your identity. Weird. [/QUOTE] A scam is a certain possibility, however it´s quite suspicious that I got this e-mail and my Paypal account was cancelled at the same time. Besides I received this on an account that hasn´t been ever targeted by spam of any kind so far (I use it only for Paypal and Ebay stuff and I haven´t shown the adress anywhere) ---
**Author:** ![threemae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5f9b8f/32.png) [@threemae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/threemae)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2006, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-the-us-thinks-im-a-bad-guy/363628/4 "2006-07-08T15:53:07Z")
No, a scam is a definite fucking possibility. Why exactly would providing your home utility bill prove that you’re not a terrorist? Contact PayPal about this, but whatever you do, do _not_ fax your utility bill and ID card to that fax number unless you want your identity stolen. Trust me on this one. ---
**Author:** ![threemae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5f9b8f/32.png) [@threemae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/threemae)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2006, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-the-us-thinks-im-a-bad-guy/363628/5 "2006-07-08T15:56:47Z")
Oh, another interesting thing. That fax number is here in my area code in Denver and the front range of Colorado. The supplied mailing address is in Omaha Nebraska, aobut 550 miles east of here. Again, allow me to encourage you not to send all of your personal identifying information to these people. ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2006, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-the-us-thinks-im-a-bad-guy/363628/6 "2006-07-08T16:19:38Z")
[QUOTE=threemae] No, a scam is a definite fucking possibility. Why exactly would providing your home utility bill prove that you’re not a terrorist? Contact PayPal about this, but whatever you do, do _not_ fax your utility bill and ID card to that fax number unless you want your identity stolen. Trust me on this one. [/QUOTE] Don´t worry, I didn´t have the least inclination of sending anything at all. As soon as I can be bothered to do so I´ll write to Paypal to inquire why did they cancell my account and if it has anything to do with this e-mail. ---
**Author:** ![flickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@flickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flickster)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2006, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-the-us-thinks-im-a-bad-guy/363628/7 "2006-07-08T16:37:57Z")
Sounds like an e-mail designed to look like it came from paypal but did not. I would forward it to [spoof@paypal.com](mailto:spoof@paypal.com) and, as threemae has already suggested, do not respond as directed in the e-mail. ---
**Author:** ![if6was9](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e47c2d/32.png) [@if6was9](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/if6was9)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2006, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-the-us-thinks-im-a-bad-guy/363628/8 "2006-07-08T17:56:05Z")
A simple first test is your name. Was it sent to your REAL [first name] [lastname]? Or was the email headed “Dear PayPal Customer”? This isn’t the end all of tests, but PayPal themselves say it is an important one. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2006, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-the-us-thinks-im-a-bad-guy/363628/9 "2006-07-08T18:03:01Z")
Another thing, according to their “About Us”, PayPal is located in San Jose, California. Yeah, they could have other offices, but that’s just weird. And I doubt they’d have just a P.O. box. Did you go to the PayPal website specifically, and DID you go to the security center? ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2006, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-the-us-thinks-im-a-bad-guy/363628/10 "2006-07-08T18:14:11Z")
[QUOTE=if6was9] A simple first test is your name. Was it sent to your REAL [first name] [lastname]? Or was the email headed “Dear PayPal Customer”? This isn’t the end all of tests, but PayPal themselves say it is an important one. [/QUOTE] It was sent to my specific name, that´s the second main reason why I didn´t label it as spam without a thought (the first being the cancelled account) **Guinastasia** , yes I went to the Paypal site and I got a message in red lettering saying: > [@](#): > > This account has been permanently locked with a $X.XX USD balance. All information associated with this account has been blocked from the PayPal system and cannot be registered with another account. Which sounds a bit harsh and short in details. ---
**Author:** ![Rachm\_Qoch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a8b319/32.png) [@Rachm\_Qoch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rachm_Qoch)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2006, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-the-us-thinks-im-a-bad-guy/363628/11 "2006-07-08T18:23:14Z")
FWIW this is not an uncommon reason for account [suspension](http://research.yale.edu/lawmeme/modules.php?name=News&file=print&sid=1039). Given that your account is suspended and the reply address [looks legit](https://www.paypal.com/us/evite/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_help-ext&eloc=1308&loc=1306&unique_id=71424&source_page=_home&flow=) I would guess this isn’t a phishing scam, just a paypal scam. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2006, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-the-us-thinks-im-a-bad-guy/363628/12 "2006-07-08T20:02:41Z")
Contact Homeland Security directly, & ask if they have heard of a scam like this. Tell them you are “happy to comply, if it is real”, then ask them about it. ---
**Author:** ![Hostile\_Dialect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e495f1/32.png) [@Hostile\_Dialect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hostile_Dialect)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2006, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-the-us-thinks-im-a-bad-guy/363628/13 "2006-07-08T23:33:49Z")
> [@Ale](#): > > Uh, thrilling, a computer decided that I can be a terrorist or a drug lord or something. How´s the weather in Guantanamo this time of the year? > > Joking aside, is this something to be concerned about or what? I´m planning to change planes in L.A. next December in a trip to Thailand and I wouldn´t like to be stopped there because my name is on a database of Evil Doers®. It’s possible the girl you’re supposed to meet in Thailand isn’t exactly who you expect, yanno. ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2006, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-the-us-thinks-im-a-bad-guy/363628/14 "2006-07-09T02:09:41Z")
[QUOTE=fetus] It’s possible the girl you’re supposed to meet in Thailand isn’t exactly who you expect, yanno. [/QUOTE] Pistols at dawn, dress formally. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2006, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-the-us-thinks-im-a-bad-guy/363628/15 "2006-07-09T15:06:24Z")
[QUOTE=Ale] Pistols at dawn, dress formally. 😛 [/QUOTE] See? You have a weapon–you MUST be a terrorist. Please don’t hurt me. 😃 Sounds scarey and not quite right–bears looking into. How much $ did they freeze? (anything over $5 would have me pissed!) ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2006, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-the-us-thinks-im-a-bad-guy/363628/16 "2006-07-09T16:01:13Z")
[QUOTE=eleanorigby] See? You have a weapon–you MUST be a terrorist. Please don’t hurt me. 😃 Sounds scarey and not quite right–bears looking into. How much $ did they freeze? (anything over $5 would have me pissed!) [/QUOTE] Luckly my account doesn´t hold any money because it draws it from my debit card; if not all money would have been frozen, $1, $10 or $10.000. I´ve searched the net about other people with the same problem and that´s what happened. Let´s take a stroll through the situation, the Paypal [Embargoed Goods, Prohibited Countries Policy](http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/ua/use/index_frame-outside&ed=embargoed) page states that: > [@](#): > > Prohibited Persons > Federal agencies have also banned or regulated trade between U.S. persons with certain organizations, businesses, and persons. For additional information about these regulations and lists of these prohibited persons visit the [Office of Foreign Assets Control](http://www.treas.gov/offices/enforcement/ofac/) - and the Denied Persons List I looked at that page and the [Specially Designated Nationals List (SDN)](http://www.treas.gov/offices/enforcement/ofac/sdn/index.shtml) and sure enough my name is in it… well sorta, there´s a guy on Mexico whose second name and second surname are the same as mine, Alejandro García; it´s on the text list right after the MOROCCAN ISLAMIC COMBATANT GROUP. Did I mention García is a very common surname?, the phone directory has pages after pages of Garcías here and in every country with Spanish ancestry. More fun with the SDN list: [Western Union Blocks Arab Cash Deliveries](http://money.aol.com/news/articles/_a/western-union-blocks-arab-cash/n20060706032609990001?cid=403) And [I´m not the only one](http://research.yale.edu/lawmeme/modules.php?name=News&file=print&sid=1039) pissed about the way I´m labelled an Evil Doer® until proven innocent. Now I´m wondering what other concequences are to having my “name” on that SDN. _P.S: I just realized that I wrote “things” instead of “thinks” on the thread title… may I ask for some mod mercy for a correction?_ ---
**Author:** ![threemae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5f9b8f/32.png) [@threemae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/threemae)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2006, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-the-us-thinks-im-a-bad-guy/363628/17 "2006-07-09T18:06:06Z")
Well, crap, this may well be legitamate but I have no idea as to how to go about getting back your money. ---
**Author:** ![if6was9](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e47c2d/32.png) [@if6was9](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/if6was9)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2006, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-the-us-thinks-im-a-bad-guy/363628/18 "2006-07-09T18:31:47Z")
This part would piss me of: > [@](#): > > Access to your PayPal account has been denied because your name is **similar** to or a match to an entry yada yada Is every guy named _Al_ having this done? Everyone with an Arab name? Every _Kim_? I can see their point if the name **matched** , but yours is similar so you’re guilty and YOU have to prove otherwise. Is this Soviet Russia? ---
**Author:** ![SkipMagic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skipmagic/32/20706_2.png) [@SkipMagic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SkipMagic)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2006, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-the-us-thinks-im-a-bad-guy/363628/19 "2006-07-09T18:52:39Z")
[QUOTE=Ale] _P.S: I just realized that I wrote “things” instead of “thinks” on the thread title… may I ask for some mod mercy for a correction?_ [/QUOTE] You may, and your wish has been granted. Personally, I would have asked for treasure or super powers or something, but hey, it was _your_ one once-in-a-lifetime, no-redo wish… ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2006, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-the-us-thinks-im-a-bad-guy/363628/20 "2006-07-09T20:11:27Z")
[QUOTE=SkipMagic] You may, and your wish has been granted. Personally, I would have asked for treasure or super powers or something, but hey, it was _your_ one once-in-a-lifetime, no-redo wish… [/QUOTE] **Ale performs sepuku with a rusted spoon** EEEAAAARGGHHH!!! [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apparently-the-us-thinks-im-a-bad-guy/363628.md?page=2)