# Apple versus microsoft. **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [November 12, 2007, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apple-versus-microsoft/426060 "2007-11-12T00:09:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![mangeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d78d45/32.png) [@mangeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mangeorge)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2007, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apple-versus-microsoft/426060/1 "2007-11-12T00:09:10Z")
Where can I find some good info on the early relationship between Wozniak+Jobs, and Gates? It’s not for homework, my adult daughter wants to know. All I’ve been able to find is modern comparisons of the two systems. My memory these days really sucks. I need to eat more mackerel. 😛 Peace, mangeorge ---
**Author:** ![Sunspace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunspace/32/1250_2.png) [@Sunspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunspace)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2007, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apple-versus-microsoft/426060/2 "2007-11-12T00:19:12Z")
Try a book. 🙂 Specifically, something like _[Fire in the Valley](http://www.amazon.com/Fire-Valley-Making-Personal-Computer/dp/0071358927/ref=pd_bbs_2/104-6406971-8198309?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1194826689&sr=1-2): the Making of the Personal Computer_ by Paul Freiberger and Michael Swaine. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2007, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apple-versus-microsoft/426060/3 "2007-11-12T00:25:13Z")
Another interesting book is [Accidental Empires: How the Boys of Silicon Valley Make Their Millions, Battle Foreign Competition, and Still Can’t Get a Date](http://www.amazon.com/Accidental-Empires-Silicon-Millions-Competition/dp/0887308554). It’s a fun read too, as I remember. ---
**Author:** ![mangeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d78d45/32.png) [@mangeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mangeorge)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2007, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apple-versus-microsoft/426060/4 "2007-11-12T00:29:12Z")
[QUOTE=Sunspace] Try a book. 🙂 Specifically, something like _[Fire in the Valley](http://www.amazon.com/Fire-Valley-Making-Personal-Computer/dp/0071358927/ref=pd_bbs_2/104-6406971-8198309?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1194826689&sr=1-2): the Making of the Personal Computer_ by Paul Freiberger and Michael Swaine. [/QUOTE] Book!!! Oh yeah, book. Thanks ---
**Author:** ![mangeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d78d45/32.png) [@mangeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mangeorge)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2007, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apple-versus-microsoft/426060/5 "2007-11-12T00:32:36Z")
[QUOTE=Dewey Finn] Another interesting book is [Accidental Empires: How the Boys of Silicon Valley Make Their Millions, Battle Foreign Competition, and Still Can’t Get a Date](http://www.amazon.com/Accidental-Empires-Silicon-Millions-Competition/dp/0887308554). It’s a fun read too, as I remember. [/QUOTE] Off to [amazon.com](http://amazon.com) I go. I’m a special customer. They have recommendations for me. ---
**Author:** ![Merkwurdigliebe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/74df32/32.png) [@Merkwurdigliebe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merkwurdigliebe)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2007, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apple-versus-microsoft/426060/6 "2007-11-12T00:33:49Z")
[http://www.folklore.org/ProjectView.py?project=Macintosh&characters=Bill%20Gates&detail=medium](http://www.folklore.org/ProjectView.py?project=Macintosh&characters=Bill%20Gates&detail=medium) This is a cool website mainly dealing with the early macintosh situation. It’s very well written and gives a lot of cool information. ---
**Author:** ![Darryl\_Lict](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7cd45c/32.png) [@Darryl\_Lict](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darryl_Lict)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2007, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apple-versus-microsoft/426060/7 "2007-11-12T00:40:12Z")
I believe that the flawed but interesting TV movie [Pirates of the Silicon Valley](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0168122/) was based on _Fire in the Valley_. It had Noah Wyle as Steve Jobs and Anthony Michael Hall as Bill Gates. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2007, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apple-versus-microsoft/426060/8 "2007-11-12T00:42:27Z")
And another good book is Hackers: Heroes of the Computer Revolution, by Steven Levy. The book starts with the Tech Model Railroad Club at MIT in about 1960 or so, but it continues into the 1970s. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2007, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apple-versus-microsoft/426060/9 "2007-11-12T00:53:17Z")
_iWoz_ by Wozinak talks about him and Bill working together. Jerry Pournelle has some, uh, _interesting_ stories about Gates’s college years.