# Apple vs Taylor Swift **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 22, 2015, 8:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apple-vs-taylor-swift/723138 "2015-06-22T08:09:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2015, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apple-vs-taylor-swift/723138/21 "2015-06-22T16:13:45Z")
> [@Diceman](#): > > Exactly. Realistically, a huge fraction of the free trials are going to be cancelled before the user pays anything. Swift, and everybody else, would be writing off possibly the majority of potential sales. Swift and everyone else are just killing the only viable alternative to their music simply being taken for free. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2015, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apple-vs-taylor-swift/723138/22 "2015-06-22T16:41:32Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Swift and everyone else are just killing the only viable alternative to their music simply being taken for free. The only alternative to their music being taken for free is… giving it away for free?? ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2015, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apple-vs-taylor-swift/723138/23 "2015-06-22T16:44:56Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Swift and everyone else are just killing the only viable alternative to their music simply being taken for free. > [@Thudlow\_Boink](#): > > The only alternative to their music being taken for free is… giving it away for free?? Oh, yes, of course - Apple carving out its usual lion’s share of a market by giving away others’ property to buy the real estate is entirely to the benefit of those others. Just like the endless “intern” jobs where you can take ten years of college, experience and skills to produce a professional-quality web site or publication for something less than minimum wage benefits you because it will look SO good in your portfolio. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2015, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apple-vs-taylor-swift/723138/24 "2015-06-22T16:57:02Z")
> [@Shakes](#): > > TS has got some balls on her. Unfortunately, they’re not mine ☹ ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2015, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apple-vs-taylor-swift/723138/25 "2015-06-22T17:29:34Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > Sorry, no cites on hand, but everything I’ve read about her she is very much the head lady in charge of her career. After reading this and other posts, M_ea Culpa_. :o It seems she is a smart and resourceful young lady (why she did not bitchslap Kayne back in 2009, OTH) Still she undouteldy does have a team of heavy hitting lawyer and accountants at her beck and call now. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2015, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apple-vs-taylor-swift/723138/26 "2015-06-22T17:37:37Z")
> [@Thudlow\_Boink](#): > > The only alternative to their music being taken for free is… giving it away for free?? The only alternative to pirating is a healthy online music streaming industry, be it apples or anyone elses. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2015, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apple-vs-taylor-swift/723138/27 "2015-06-22T17:48:39Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > The only alternative to pirating is a healthy online music streaming industry, be it apples or anyone elses. You do realize how this sounds to someone who, like me, regards piracy as ethically questionable? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2015, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apple-vs-taylor-swift/723138/28 "2015-06-22T17:51:58Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > You do realize how this sounds to someone who, like me, regards piracy as ethically questionable? It doesn’t really matter how you regard it, it’s still going to be a thing. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2015, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apple-vs-taylor-swift/723138/29 "2015-06-22T17:57:13Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > It doesn’t really matter how you regard it, it’s still going to be a thing. I’m not really sure that’s true in the absolute long term. If piracy ultimately renders making music unprofitable, Taylor Swift won’t make music anymore. And there are a lot of wealthy and powerful people with a strong interest in making sure that never happens. I’m not ready to cede the field to the six-year-old’s mentality that I SHOULD HAVE WHAT I WANT HOW I WANT IT AT THE PRICE I WANT AND NOBODY HAS A RIGHT TO SAY DIFFERENTLY WAAAAAAH. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2015, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apple-vs-taylor-swift/723138/30 "2015-06-22T18:02:54Z")
[TS is a bit of a hypocrite it seems on this topic.](https://junction10.wordpress.com/2015/06/21/those-in-glass-houses-shouldnt-throw-stones/) ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2015, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apple-vs-taylor-swift/723138/31 "2015-06-22T18:04:27Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > The only alternative to pirating is a healthy online music streaming industry, be it apples or anyone elses. Gimme yer wallet or I’ll just take it anyway. This concludes today’s session of “Ethics in the 21st Century.” ---
**Author:** ![erysichthon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d07c76/32.png) [@erysichthon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erysichthon)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2015, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apple-vs-taylor-swift/723138/32 "2015-06-22T18:24:35Z")
> [@GrandWino](#): > > [TS is a bit of a hypocrite it seems on this topic.](https://junction10.wordpress.com/2015/06/21/those-in-glass-houses-shouldnt-throw-stones/) I’m not really seeing the equivalence there. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2015, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apple-vs-taylor-swift/723138/33 "2015-06-22T18:28:12Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > I’m not really sure that’s true in the absolute long term. If piracy ultimately renders making music unprofitable, Taylor Swift won’t make music anymore. And there are a lot of wealthy and powerful people with a strong interest in making sure that never happens. I’m not ready to cede the field to the six-year-old’s mentality that I SHOULD HAVE WHAT I WANT HOW I WANT IT AT THE PRICE I WANT AND NOBODY HAS A RIGHT TO SAY DIFFERENTLY WAAAAAAH. Who’s saying that? ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2015, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apple-vs-taylor-swift/723138/34 "2015-06-22T18:30:35Z")
> [@erysichthon](#): > > I’m not really seeing the equivalence there. Me neither. To me, it sounds like he’s saying, “Oh yeah? Well, Taylor Swift once did something that _I_ don’t think is fair!” I don’t know enough about the business of photography to know whether it really is unfair. Even if it is, the relevance to the current issue is tenuous at best. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2015, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apple-vs-taylor-swift/723138/35 "2015-06-22T21:15:38Z")
> [@GrandWino](#): > > [TS is a bit of a hypocrite it seems on this topic.](https://junction10.wordpress.com/2015/06/21/those-in-glass-houses-shouldnt-throw-stones/) Err, no - in fact, that contract is a nice mirror for to the Apple situation, in that they’re for photos _of Taylor Swift_ - why _should_ photographers get to profit in perpetuity from her image? They’re not selling their own “art”, they’re selling her image (I’m pretty sure that’s not the contract that an Annie Leibowitz or other ‘name’ would sign if they were to photograph her) ---
**Author:** ![The\_Universe\_Lashes\_Out](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8797f3/32.png) [@The\_Universe\_Lashes\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Universe_Lashes_Out)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2015, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apple-vs-taylor-swift/723138/36 "2015-06-22T21:25:11Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > The only alternative to pirating is a healthy online music streaming industry, be it apples or anyone elses. Piracy right now is easier and simpler than any form of paying for music, and yet millions of people still buy CDs and LPs and pay for downloads. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2015, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apple-vs-taylor-swift/723138/37 "2015-06-22T21:36:56Z")
So… are Apple and Swift… getting back… together? ---
**Author:** ![Nema98](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/d2c977/32.png) [@Nema98](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nema98)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2015, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apple-vs-taylor-swift/723138/38 "2015-06-22T22:58:08Z")
> [@GrandWino](#): > > [TS is a bit of a hypocrite it seems on this topic.](https://junction10.wordpress.com/2015/06/21/those-in-glass-houses-shouldnt-throw-stones/) Thanks for the link, I read the article. Very nice response to Taylor Swift from Jason Sheldon. Let’s not pretend that Taylor Swift and other artists like her are fair for others to make money through their works. ---
**Author:** ![Sleel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/73ab20/32.png) [@Sleel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sleel)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2015, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apple-vs-taylor-swift/723138/39 "2015-06-23T00:28:41Z")
For there to be that swift of a change means that Cook and Cue must have already considered doing just that. That isn’t the kind of decision usually made literally overnight. ---
**Author:** ![Claverhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/13edae/32.png) [@Claverhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Claverhouse)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2015, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apple-vs-taylor-swift/723138/40 "2015-06-23T01:33:42Z")
> [@GrandWino](#): > > [TS is a bit of a hypocrite it seems on this topic.](https://junction10.wordpress.com/2015/06/21/those-in-glass-houses-shouldnt-throw-stones/) Taylor Swift is a rather awful person, with a fierce greed, redeemed by her good looks and her amazing talent at wearing tiny skirts, and this hypocrisy is crass; but I do admire the semi-nude **[photo](http://pic.prepics-cdn.com/kumiko13/45488878.jpeg)** in the comments by ‘Sarah’ she laid claim to, because it was taken at one of her live shows. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apple-vs-taylor-swift/723138.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apple-vs-taylor-swift/723138.md?page=3)