# Apprentice: 9/23/04 (possible spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 23, 2004, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apprentice-9-23-04-possible-spoilers/265634 "2004-09-23T05:33:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2004, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apprentice-9-23-04-possible-spoilers/265634/1 "2004-09-23T05:33:46Z")
We might as well start now. I have a couple of little tidbits from the news that might offer some hints about what’s going to happen. They’re both from mainstream new sources but I’ll spoilerize them anyway. The firs reveals who the [celebrity](http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2004/09/22/sports1559EDT0275.DTL) will be… > [@](#): > > [spoiler][Mike] Piazza appears on “The Apprentice” on Thursday night, an episode in which Trump shakes things up in the boardroom again, with a third person fired. > > “There were not enough cameras to cover the mayhem in this week’s boardroom,” creator and executive producer Mark Burnett said."[/spoiler] The second item is more [intriguing](http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/195080p-168547c.html) > [@](#): > > [spoiler]When Crest toothpaste teamed up with the cast of “The Apprentice 2” for a promotional stunt on Tuesday, it was supposed to be a marketing coup for the corporate dental-care giant. > > But instead, the action in Washington Square Park, where Donald Trump had assigned contestants to hawk tubes of the new Crest Whitening Expressions Refreshing Vanilla Mint, in scratch-and-sniff boxes, descended rapidly into street theater. > > It was, in fact, a disturbing and unnerving scene not calculated to enhance any brand - not Crest, not “The Apprentice” and not Trump. > > A spy tells Lowdown that after handing out tube after tube of the decay-preventing dentifrice to passersby, the “Apprentice” team enlisted a plump 51-year-old woman to haul the unsightly empty boxes back to a nearby truck and haul back armsful of sparkling-new boxes. > > For this, they offered her $20. > > As the woman lumbered from the table to the truck and back - “working her a- off,” says our spy - she was overheard mumbling, “I have to do a good job for Crest.” > > After about an hour, she had worked herself into a beet-faced, sweaty daze. At one point she tumbled over and began to roll around on the ground, chanting “Crest! Crest!” over and over. > > “It was just spooky,” said our spy. > > Finally, while the “Apprentice” folks stood by watching, an off-duty EMT worker and an onlooker picked up the distressed woman and carried her back to the truck. But as soon as they had deposited her in the driver’s seat, she started to shake - “It looked like she was going into cardiac arrest” - and suddenly passed out cold, falling limp into the passenger side. > > When she finally awoke after a full three minutes, she promptly vomited and demanded, “Where’s my money?” > > At which point Trump Organization exec Carolyn Kepcher, the icy blonde muse of the reality-TV hit, swooped in and demanded to know which idiot had recruited the hapless worker. > > Somehow we doubt that such unorthodox business practices will play well in the boardroom. > > Kepcher didn’t respond to Lowdown’s detailed messages, nor did Trump or the corporate flacks for Crest. > > Lowdown hears “The Apprentice 2” production team’s many cameras caught the incident in its horrific entirety.[/spoiler] So it sounds like this will be a good one. My guess on the “boardroom first” is that Trump will either drag the winning team into the boardroom because of the above spoilered cock-up, or possibly that he will simply abort the tasks all together, chew some ass and summarily fire someone without the usual rigamarole. Notice that the NY Daily News story is careful not to reveal the genders of the team in question, but I’m guessing it was the women. This show just keeps getting better. ---
**Author:** ![dreamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/6bbea6/32.png) [@dreamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dreamer)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2004, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apprentice-9-23-04-possible-spoilers/265634/2 "2004-09-23T05:46:47Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > This show just keeps getting better. Wow! 22 hours and 13 minutes to go! ---
**Author:** ![CrazyCatLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dfb087/32.png) [@CrazyCatLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CrazyCatLady)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2004, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apprentice-9-23-04-possible-spoilers/265634/3 "2004-09-23T12:14:33Z")
So, are they implying that one of the teams worked this person into illness, or that they hired someone who was… a little off? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2004, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apprentice-9-23-04-possible-spoilers/265634/4 "2004-09-23T12:47:15Z")
I think a little of both. Anyway, if the article is correct, Carolyn was not pleased. Should be great. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2004, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apprentice-9-23-04-possible-spoilers/265634/5 "2004-09-23T13:20:41Z")
My guess was that the show was going to be different because he was going to fire _George_! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Shirley\_Ujest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shirley\_Ujest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shirley_Ujest)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2004, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apprentice-9-23-04-possible-spoilers/265634/6 "2004-09-23T14:51:17Z")
Woooooo! That’s all I gots to say. Hiring a Milton. It’s the American Way! ---
**Author:** ![Nutty\_Bunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/d07c76/32.png) [@Nutty\_Bunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nutty_Bunny)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2004, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apprentice-9-23-04-possible-spoilers/265634/7 "2004-09-23T15:33:53Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Anyway, if the article is correct, Carolyn was not pleased. Should be great. 😃 Awesome! I love when Carolyn is not pleased! I’m loving this season. The firing of Bradford was a complete shock. He didn’t even seem to build up to the firing. He just pulled it out of his holster like it was high noon. Very good TV. I’m so ashamed that it has sucked me in, but now that _The Amazing Race_ is over, I’m counting on Trump to excite me (wait, that doesn’t sound right). ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2004, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apprentice-9-23-04-possible-spoilers/265634/8 "2004-09-24T01:25:28Z")
Why was it Stacie J’s fault that the toothpaste was more than they thought it would be. I hate the way these bitches just scapegoat her for everything. ---
**Author:** ![JThunder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e95f7d/32.png) [@JThunder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JThunder)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2004, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apprentice-9-23-04-possible-spoilers/265634/9 "2004-09-24T01:26:42Z")
Well, it seems to me that Stacie J. should have called ahead and asked how large this shipment would be. That’s fairly basic. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2004, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apprentice-9-23-04-possible-spoilers/265634/10 "2004-09-24T01:48:00Z")
WTF? 😕 Is the Donald really going to let the women snowball Stacie like this? I thought the 8 ball thing was just a joke that fell flat. I hope he’s not really going to fall this “split-personality” BS. ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2004, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apprentice-9-23-04-possible-spoilers/265634/11 "2004-09-24T01:48:03Z")
So much for spoiler 2… that would’ve been YUUUUGE! I can’t believe the guys thought they could get the $1M insurance policy in that quick of a turnaround time. Now for the rest of the boardroom… ---
**Author:** ![Askia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/96bed5/32.png) [@Askia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askia)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2004, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apprentice-9-23-04-possible-spoilers/265634/12 "2004-09-24T01:50:37Z")
Showing up undermanned to move all the boxes three minutes before the facility closes strikes me as sloppy. But it wasn’t an unrecoverable mistake. The mismanagement of money falls on Maria’s shoulders since she negotiated the price, as well as the project managers’s. But using Stacie J. as a scapegoat for everything that goes wrong is silly. I hope Trump sees that and calls the team on it. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2004, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apprentice-9-23-04-possible-spoilers/265634/13 "2004-09-24T01:56:13Z")
That was one of the most nakedly evil things I’ve ever fucking seen. I hope the men win every task until every woman is gone. Not one of those women showed any integrity or decency whatsoever. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2004, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apprentice-9-23-04-possible-spoilers/265634/14 "2004-09-24T01:58:39Z")
Jesus Christ! I had no idea women were this nasty and back stabbing among themselves. It was practically feral. You’d better not be the weak animal in that pack! ---
**Author:** ![LibrarySpy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@LibrarySpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LibrarySpy)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2004, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apprentice-9-23-04-possible-spoilers/265634/15 "2004-09-24T01:59:23Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > That was one of the most nakedly evil things I’ve ever fucking seen. I hope the men win every task until every woman is gone. Not one of those women showed any integrity or decency whatsoever. Having been Stacy J most of my life, I agree, _but_ Trump’s justification being “They all hate each other, but they agree on this” does make a little sense. I despise Maria. And Little Stacy. Heck, all the women. I’m glad Carolyn spoke up, and that George seemed distressed. What the heck did the guys end up doing? I saw them get slammed for the one million dollar thing, and then they were “passionate”? What the heck? Did I miss a 30 second expose between shots of New York? ---
**Author:** ![Shirley\_Ujest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shirley\_Ujest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shirley_Ujest)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2004, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apprentice-9-23-04-possible-spoilers/265634/16 "2004-09-24T02:03:12Z")
This show has got to bug the living snot out of Professional Black Women of America. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2004, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apprentice-9-23-04-possible-spoilers/265634/17 "2004-09-24T02:05:23Z")
> [@Rysler](#): > > Having been Stacy J most of my life, I agree, _but_ Trump’s justification being “They all hate each other, but they agree on this” does make a little sense. I despise Maria. And Little Stacy. Heck, all the women. I’m glad Carolyn spoke up, and that George seemed distressed. I’m not blaming Trump, I’m blaming the women. I think Trump got played. > [@](#): > > What the heck did the guys end up doing? I saw them get slammed for the one million dollar thing, and then they were “passionate”? What the heck? Did I miss a 30 second expose between shots of New York? They hired a bunch of circus performers. ---
**Author:** ![LibrarySpy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@LibrarySpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LibrarySpy)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2004, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apprentice-9-23-04-possible-spoilers/265634/18 "2004-09-24T02:14:54Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > I think Trump got played. Fair enough. Just think of how the women are going to tear each other to pieces without Stacy J for focus. **Shirley Ujest** , think another fresh-faced white boy is going to sweep again? 😃 Bradford’s gone… ---
**Author:** ![lorene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/65b543/32.png) [@lorene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lorene)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2004, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apprentice-9-23-04-possible-spoilers/265634/19 "2004-09-24T02:17:25Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > I’m not blaming Trump, I’m blaming the women. I think Trump got played. I’m surprised he went for that, too. I would have thought he’d find it inexcusable for the other 2 to get away with the total mismanagement of the task. I think Stacie J’s firing was bogus and I’m really irritataed that the PM (Elizabeth?) and Maria don’t have any consequences. But Stacie wa correct in her taxi interview when she said that they will just have each other to turn on now. I guess I was hoping that the ‘rule breaker’ would be the firing of more than one person, in this case. As a semi-nitpicky aside, I **hate** it when people use terms like “borderline schizophrenic” when they quite obviously have **no** clue what schizophrenia even entails. ---
**Author:** ![LibrarySpy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@LibrarySpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LibrarySpy)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2004, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apprentice-9-23-04-possible-spoilers/265634/20 "2004-09-24T02:21:40Z")
> [@lorene](#): > > As a semi-nitpicky aside, I **hate** it when people use terms like “borderline schizophrenic” when they quite obviously have **no** clue what schizophrenia even entails. Did you want to barf when Lil Stace said “And I’m sensitive to clinical issues…”? Or was that just me? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apprentice-9-23-04-possible-spoilers/265634.md?page=2)