# "Apprentice" finale, 4/15/04 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 14, 2004, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apprentice-finale-4-15-04/239990 "2004-04-14T16:33:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![iamme99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/57b2e6/32.png) [@iamme99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamme99)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2004, 10:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apprentice-finale-4-15-04/239990/101 "2004-04-17T10:41:36Z")
I like Mark Burnett’s shows. I’ve watched Survivor since the beginning but it is getting tired and stale, despite the little tricks they throw in. I still think Survivor better represents the alliances and back-stabbing that goes on in typical office politics though. But The Apprentice was FRESH! Plus, I grew up in north NJ and spent a lot of time in NYC. It’s fun to see places I still recognize there. Bill was the right person for the Trump organization. Kwame was too hands-off, too laid back and didn’t seem to have the ability to really direct his people when they needed it. No tears for him though. Heard he accepted an offer with Mark Cuban to manage some of his financial assets. Omarosa was a pure villain. I really hated her. She disgusted me. Getting caught on TV in a flat-out lie has to be the low point for just about anyone. Didn’t she realize that they were filming EVERYTHING? Did she really think she could get away with it? I suspect she is going to wind up trying to find parts playing the evil woman in some TV shows (sort of like Joan Collins played in Dynasty). I’m looking forward to next season’s show! ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2004, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apprentice-finale-4-15-04/239990/102 "2004-04-17T14:13:04Z")
Damn, I was on the phone last night during the whole “Apprentice” segment on _Nightline_, so I might have been hallucinating – is it really the case that Assaroma’s one firm gig is a shampoo commercial? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2004, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apprentice-finale-4-15-04/239990/103 "2004-04-17T15:29:03Z")
Someplace in the TWOP forum (I think the one on Media Articles) is a post saying that Clairol has hired Omarosa for a commercial. There’s also an e-mail address to tell Clairol what you think about Omarosa as a spokesperson. Apparently the campaign is something like “Tame your mean self”. ---
**Author:** ![annieclaus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b5a626/32.png) [@annieclaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/annieclaus)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2004, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apprentice-finale-4-15-04/239990/104 "2004-04-17T15:30:28Z")
> [@twickster](#): > > is it really the case that Assaroma’s one firm gig is a shampoo commercial? 😃 Whaaaaattttt??? :eek: So she’s on screen, and she’s shaking her magnificent mane which is, of course, beautifully lit, and she says: “Sudsy Shampoo is the best I’ve ever used. And it smells good, too.” Do we believe her? Do we believe any word that comes out of her lying mouth? Do we buy Sudsy Shampoo??? Not me, brudda! ---
**Author:** ![kittenblue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ba8739/32.png) [@kittenblue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kittenblue)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2004, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apprentice-finale-4-15-04/239990/105 "2004-04-17T16:51:04Z")
And didn’t the Big O’s hair remind you of the head of the Alien? That up then down swoop was very unattractive. And where was little Jessie during the final wrap-up? And didn’t they cut off Tammy rather quickly when she got her chance to say something? At least she managed to sputter out “my husband” when they mentioned she was pregnant. I really wish someone would have called Katrina on her performance at the golf course. When Bill said the office had to be cleaned out NOW and she just stood there basically saying “I’ll get around to it eventually”, then complaining that he wasn’t trusting them to get the job done…well duh! How can he trust you when you didn’t even seem to listen to what he said? And don’t you think if you have to assemble a huge quantity of gift bags that you would find a dining room or conference room with long tables and set up a more organized assembly line, rather than having to step over everything and peer into the bags to see what’s where? Plus she was nowhere to be found when she was supposed to be manning a table…just sucking on her water bottle somewhere. Nick was pretty much invisible at the golf course…I got the impression he was out there doing his job and didn’t require the supervision the girls did. Heidi didn’t impress at all…“I don’t know how to set-up a meet & greet, and I’m not gonna ask anybody, either”. I don’t particularly like Jessica Simpson…okay, I dislike her a lot. Never have I seen a performer who grimaces and gestures quite so unattractively. But they really didn’t give her much time to relax and prepare before the concert, and the Big O was really getting on her nerves with all the tambourine and wig stuff. Jessica was being very polite in the face of a woman who seemed to think she was the star of the concert. I think the Big O’s phoniness was incredibly transparent. I truly believe that Omarosa is unemployable right now. The only reason anyone would hire her is for the publicty. I wouldn’t hire her for a retail job…I think she’d do fine in sales the first go-round, but customers wouldn’t come back a second time for fear of having to deal with her. She’s the kind of person who a customer will say yes to just to have the experience end. ---
**Author:** ![AmyG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6bbea6/32.png) [@AmyG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AmyG)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2004, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apprentice-finale-4-15-04/239990/106 "2004-04-17T17:06:02Z")
Are No Excuses jeans still around? I’d hire Omarosa to flog those, maybe. As has been stated over and over, though, it’s hard to imagine hiring her in a position where you have to place any trust in her to get something done. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2004, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apprentice-finale-4-15-04/239990/107 "2004-04-17T17:16:54Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > Someplace in the TWOP forum (I think the one on Media Articles) is a post saying that Clairol has hired Omarosa for a commercial. There’s also an e-mail address to tell Clairol what you think about Omarosa as a spokesperson. > > Apparently the campaign is something like “Tame your mean self”. And apparently they’ve been so inundated with threats to boycott their products if they reward that narcissistic bitch with a contract, that they’re now [majorly backpeddaling](http://www.nypost.com/entertainment/18963.htm): > [@](#): > > But Omarosa isn’t everybody’s idea of a corporate role model. “Apprentice” sites were abuzz yesterday with angry fans who don’t want Hollywood to reward Omarosa. “I can’t wait for her to actually start being a spokesperson for [Clairol], so I can boycott it!,” Neptune42 wrote on [www.televisionwithoutpity.com](http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com). And Clairol itself seems already to be distancing itself from the fray. “I want to emphasize that the reports that Omarosa is our new spokesperson are wrong,” says company spokeswoman Francine Gingras. “All we’re doing is taking some film of Omarosa to see if we can leverage that love-to-hate-her personality into something useful. “We may never even use it.” Here’s to the Power of The People – Yay! I added myself to the list of letter-writers in the hopes that “may never” becomes “will never.” [Here’s their contact page](http://www.herbalessences.com/contact.asp) for anyone else who wants to write. ---
**Author:** ![interface2x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c0e974/32.png) [@interface2x](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/interface2x)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2004, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apprentice-finale-4-15-04/239990/108 "2004-04-17T18:26:42Z")
> [@Nutty Bunny](#): > > Worst of all, it never even _occurred_ to him that he could fire Omarosa?!? It definitely occurred to him. I assumed that he was not allowed to fire anyone, because there was one sequence where he said, “I don’t have the luxury of firing Omarosa.” I figured that there was a rule there that we hadn’t heard about. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2004, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apprentice-finale-4-15-04/239990/109 "2004-04-19T23:53:57Z")
According to _Access Hollywood_ – Assaroma’s Herbal Essences gig is off, but a cameo on _Passions_ is on. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2004, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apprentice-finale-4-15-04/239990/110 "2004-04-20T01:28:51Z")
I was just watching some dumb show about supermodels while I read the board and saw a ticker at the bottom of the screen. Apparently the Chicago tower Bill is supposed to manage has no funding, so Bill essentially doesn’t have a job. Also, Ereka made a public statement that she would boycott Clairol if Omarosa is their sponsor. Anyone know anything else about the Bill situation? ---
**Author:** ![Shirley\_Ujest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shirley\_Ujest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shirley_Ujest)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2004, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apprentice-finale-4-15-04/239990/111 "2004-04-20T01:47:58Z")
Thank you for that link, **Shayna** I have sent a vigorous email to them regarding that vile she-devil. ---
**Author:** ![annieclaus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b5a626/32.png) [@annieclaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/annieclaus)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2004, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apprentice-finale-4-15-04/239990/112 "2004-04-20T01:49:34Z")
> [@Rubystreak](#): > > IAnyone know anything else about the Bill situation? There was an article in the New York Times a couple of days ago saying just what you said in your posting. All sorts of problems involved with that skyscraper-to-be. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2004, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apprentice-finale-4-15-04/239990/113 "2004-04-20T04:02:02Z")
> [@interface2x](#): > > > [@Nutty Bunny](#): > > > > Worst of all, it never even occurred to him that he could fire Omarosa?!? > > It definitely occurred to him. I assumed that he was not allowed to fire anyone, because there was one sequence where he said, “I don’t have the luxury of firing Omarosa.” I figured that there was a rule there that we hadn’t heard about. You can read an interesting interview with Kwame [here, at tvguide.com](http://tvguide.com/news/insider/040419a.asp). WRT firing Omarosa he said: > [@](#): > > **TV Guide Online:** Did you lose because of Omarosa ? > **Kwame Jackson:** I’m not going to sit here and say, “Oh, Omarosa cost me the competition.” I did not get selected because [Trump] thought that Bill was the best man for the job. Period. I think Omarosa provided a great excuse. And like I said, I did not get the reality-TV memo that said you can fire contestants from a show. When that came out I was out of the office. (Laughs) And you’re very welcome, **Shirley Ujest**. And thank _you_ for adding your voice to the chorus. I’m glad to hear it’s been successful, at least in this instance, in thwarting her efforts to remain in the spotlight. Hopefully she’ll continue to feel such a strong backlash that we’ll drive her into obscurity! > [@Rubystreak](#): > > Apparently the Chicago tower Bill is supposed to manage has no funding, so Bill essentially doesn’t have a job… > > Anyone know anything else about the Bill situation? [The Los Angeles Daily News](http://www.dailynews.com/Stories/0,1413,200~20954~2089471,00.html) reports: > [@](#): > > The project has yet to receive financing, and some here wonder whether it will. [Trump’s partner in the project] Hollinger International [which owns the Chicago Sun-Times] is fending off troubles of its own in recent months: Conrad Black, the former chief executive, quit in November after directors questioned millions in payments to him. > > \ > > But Trump said the doubters, if there were any, were wasting their time. He said he was discussing the financing with five major institutions “all of which are dying to do the job.” And he said the project had the City Hall approvals it needed. > > City Hall officials said the tower had received the most crucial zoning and planning approvals, but that the plan would also require a final administrative sign-off from the city once the most-detailed drawings are submitted, and Trump applies for a demolition permit and a building permit. > > “This thing is happening,” Trump said. > > And even some early doubters said they could not ignore the success Trump has had, already, at persuading buyers to sign contracts for the building and put down earnest money. Though the units in the tower are selling at prices far beyond Chicago’s usual levels (the condominiums range from $579,000 to $15 million) and though they are at least three years away, many units are under contract. > > Buyers have signed contracts on 325 of the building’s planned 461 residential condominium units, and on 128 of the building’s 200 hotel condominium units (which buyers can rent out as hotel rooms), said Tere Proctor, the director of sales in Chicago. > > “It was probably better received than what was expected by many of us,” James M. Kinney, president of Rubloff Residential Properties, said of those numbers. “I would anticipate it should be coming out of the ground. Still, a lot of things can happen between here and there. The young man [Bill Rancic] has quite a project for himself.” ---
**Author:** ![iamme99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/57b2e6/32.png) [@iamme99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamme99)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2004, 8:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apprentice-finale-4-15-04/239990/114 "2004-04-20T08:27:58Z")
Omarosa was on Joe Sarborough show this evening. I can see why that woman was in politics. She kept dancing around and basically refused to let herself be pinned down about whether she lied on the show. The transcript should be up [HERE](http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3719710/) tomorrow and should make for interesting reading! ---
**Author:** ![iamme99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/57b2e6/32.png) [@iamme99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamme99)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2004, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apprentice-finale-4-15-04/239990/115 "2004-04-21T04:10:59Z")
Here’s the direct link to the transcript of Omarosa on Joe Scarborough on Monday evening 4/19 - [Link](http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4787354/) Also found this interesting article: > [@](#): > > Was there a glass ceiling on ‘The Apprentice’? > Women candidates called emotional while male counterparts described as aggressive > > [Link](http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4733484/) ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2004, 10:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apprentice-finale-4-15-04/239990/116 "2004-04-21T10:12:03Z")
What an incredibly dumb article. > [@](#): > > “I think when it comes to women, people tend to call using their charms, ‘using their sexuality.’ Men do the same thing, and people call it ‘politicking’ or ‘networking,’” she said. Yes, when Troy and Bill ripped off their shirts and chased down some horny women to get an extra dollar for their lemonade, I remember thinking what great networking! Oh wait. That never happened. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/13edae/32.png) [@Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Cheatem_Undhow)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2004, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apprentice-finale-4-15-04/239990/117 "2004-04-21T15:05:34Z")
> [@iamme99](#): > > Here’s the direct link to the transcript of Omarosa on Joe Scarborough on Monday evening 4/19 - [Link](http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4787354/) The direct URL didn’t work for me; I had to go through the main MSNBC link provided above. But I wish I’d have seen that. It sounds like Scarborough was a pretty persistent questioner. Can anyone who saw the piece comment on how it came across on TV? ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2004, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apprentice-finale-4-15-04/239990/118 "2004-04-21T15:19:51Z")
> [@](#): > > Corporate America is not a place where you kind of play footsies with your co-workers or with your competitors. It‘s a place that you have to work hard to survive. You eat what you kill in corporate America, and that was the first time that they saw it. And to see a woman to be so aggressive and be focused on becoming “The Apprentice” was I think very unique for America. Um, okay, Omarosa – but working hard is definitely the one thing you _didn’t_ do. ---
**Author:** ![jmizzou](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/edb3f5/32.png) [@jmizzou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jmizzou)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2004, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apprentice-finale-4-15-04/239990/119 "2004-04-21T16:27:31Z")
Will the madness never stop? From the Scarborough transcript: > [@](#): > > MANIGAULT-STALLWORTH: Well, the reason that Kwame didn‘t fire me, the reason Kwame didn‘t fire me is because he knew I didn‘t lie. Believe me, if he thought I was out to sabotage him, he wouldn‘t have continued to give me responsibilities over and over again. From a [CNN article](http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/TV/04/21/theapprentice.kwame.ap/index.html) with Kwame: > [@](#): > > Does Jackson think she lied to him? > > “There’s no ‘think’ about it. It’s 100 percent on the tape. There’s no need to think about it. It’s like watching Rodney King get beat: How did the bruise happen?” he said. ---
**Author:** ![iamme99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/57b2e6/32.png) [@iamme99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamme99)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2004, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apprentice-finale-4-15-04/239990/120 "2004-04-21T22:15:13Z")
> [@Dewey Cheatem Undhow](#): > > The direct URL didn’t work for me; I had to go through the main MSNBC link provided above. > > But I wish I’d have seen that. It sounds like Scarborough was a pretty persistent questioner. Can anyone who saw the piece comment on how it came across on TV? Hmm. Link works for me, I just tested it again. Yes, I watched the whole thing. JS was very persistent and knew he was getting to her but like a good politician, she kept refusing to answer, always beating around the Bush or refusing to address the issue, saying she was past that now and wanted to move on. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apprentice-finale-4-15-04/239990.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/apprentice-finale-4-15-04/239990.md?page=7)