# Aransas Cty (TX) judge beats daughter for downloading from the Internet (2004 incident) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 2, 2011, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aransas-cty-tx-judge-beats-daughter-for-downloading-from-the-internet-2004-incident/601577 "2011-11-02T01:41:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omg_a_Black_Conservative)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2011, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aransas-cty-tx-judge-beats-daughter-for-downloading-from-the-internet-2004-incident/601577/281 "2011-11-04T02:37:31Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > Who gives a shit? So you’re supposedly from some fucking backwater with barbaric standards of child-rearing. What, you think we want to import that shit? Well, Ogre did, since (s)he asked :rolleyes: And, for the record, it’s really not all that backwater. Unless, of course, you think we were running around in some grass hut, wearing loincloths and hunting lions and zebras for food. > [@Frylock](#): > > How many kids do you have? None that I know of. And, no, I don’t do videos. Sorry (not really). ---
**Author:** ![rogerbox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/76d3ee/32.png) [@rogerbox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rogerbox)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2011, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aransas-cty-tx-judge-beats-daughter-for-downloading-from-the-internet-2004-incident/601577/282 "2011-11-04T02:38:33Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > How much would you like to bet? > > (You put the money down and I’ll take a picture. I’m game for that.) You know as well as I do that a picture wouldn’t prove anything. Also even on the offchance you were actually black, I still think you’re 95% fake, I think being black is one of the many faked aspects of an exaggerated and fabricated troll persona. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2011, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aransas-cty-tx-judge-beats-daughter-for-downloading-from-the-internet-2004-incident/601577/283 "2011-11-04T02:43:40Z")
I read this thread earlier today. Got to see the interview between Hillary and Matt Lauer. That dude is a piece of shit. Fuck me, he’s damaged. I know me posting about it on the interwebs means nothing. But, my 2 YO daughter is probably a bit confused right now. Normally, I read her three stories and put her to bed while she asks for more. Tonight, I read to her as much as she wanted. She made it through 7 books before falling asleep in my lap. I had to just snuggle her a little extra before putting her to bed. I’m just amazed that someone can do that to their little girl. Fuck him. Anyone who defends or minimizes his actions baffle me. I just don’t understand how anyone can be so heartless. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2011, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aransas-cty-tx-judge-beats-daughter-for-downloading-from-the-internet-2004-incident/601577/284 "2011-11-04T02:45:35Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > And, no, I don’t do videos. Sorry (not really). This means that although you said you are willing to prove you are black, you are not in fact willing to prove you are black. I did not suspect you on this count before, but now, due to this mismatch between stated willingness and actual willingness, I officially wonder. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2011, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aransas-cty-tx-judge-beats-daughter-for-downloading-from-the-internet-2004-incident/601577/285 "2011-11-04T02:46:37Z")
> [@brewha](#): > > I read this thread earlier today. Got to see the interview between Hillary and Matt Lauer. > > That dude is a piece of shit. Fuck me, he’s damaged. I know me posting about it on the interwebs means nothing. > > But, my 2 YO daughter is probably a bit confused right now. Normally, I read her three stories and put her to bed while she asks for more. Tonight, I read to her as much as she wanted. She made it through 7 books before falling asleep in my lap. I had to just snuggle her a little extra before putting her to bed. > > I’m just amazed that someone can do that to their little girl. Fuck him. Anyone who defends or minimizes his actions baffle me. I just don’t understand how anyone can be so heartless. Jesus Christ, what the fuck did Matt Lauer do to her? Is there a link to a transcript? ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2011, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aransas-cty-tx-judge-beats-daughter-for-downloading-from-the-internet-2004-incident/601577/286 "2011-11-04T02:48:46Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > Yup, I’ve gotten worse. And seen worse. I think the worse I ever saw was the spanking/beating/whatever you want to call it my cousin got when he stole and went joyriding in a car. My uncle beat him so bad he had welts on his body and my grandmother had to give him a bath in saltwater and bleach. Yes, yes. Child-abuse and whatnot. I disagree and I don’t really feel like going there, so whatever. > > All I was saying is that I was kind of expecting worse from the outrage. You’re such a badass _swoon_. Can I have your babies please ? ---
**Author:** ![miss\_elizabeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@miss\_elizabeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/miss_elizabeth)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2011, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aransas-cty-tx-judge-beats-daughter-for-downloading-from-the-internet-2004-incident/601577/287 "2011-11-04T02:52:39Z")
> [@CitizenPained](#): > > I’m not defending him. Since I’m so ‘blind’ and you’re so obviously smart and the expert here, mind to cite? Or are you going to just keep making things up? > > I have stated again and again that what he did was abusive. I also stated again and again that this happens more than you realize. The guy needs help, not a machete to his neck. Hell, the whole family needs help. The article upthread about no charges being pressed said that she decided to release the video after an argument last week. So, I’m going to assume the family dynamics are a little wonky. **OF COURSE THE FAMILY DYNAMICS ARE A LITTLE WONKY, YOU FUCKING IDIOT! HE IS A GODDAMN CHILD ABUSER!!** I mean, for fuck’s sake! It literally breaks my heart, knowing you work with kids every day. You are not right in the head. And I mean that in all seriousness. You really do need therapy. I don’t know what happened to you to make you such a fruitcake, but quit spreading your issues all over the next generation. I’ve been watching your goofy ass on here for awhile, and hon, you need help. ---
**Author:** ![Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omg_a_Black_Conservative)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2011, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aransas-cty-tx-judge-beats-daughter-for-downloading-from-the-internet-2004-incident/601577/288 "2011-11-04T03:00:39Z")
> [@rogerbox](#): > > You know as well as I do that a picture wouldn’t prove anything. Also even on the offchance you were actually black, I still think you’re 95% fake, I think being black is one of the many faked aspects of an exaggerated and fabricated troll persona. You mean a dated picture to rogerbox wouldn’t prove my realness? Weird. But, if you must know, contrary to what you’d like to believe, yes, I’m actually, really real. What? You think I have to follow some premodeled “This-is-what-a-Black-person” is script? I beg to differ. > [@Frylock](#): > > This means that although you said you are willing to prove you are black, you are not in fact willing to prove you are black. > > I did not suspect you on this count before, but now, due to this mismatch between stated willingness and actual willingness, I officially wonder. Naw, it means I’m willing to do a picture, but not a video. I don’t do videos. Well, except for one, but that was for a friend\*. > [@Kobal2](#): > > You’re such a badass _swoon_. Can I have your babies please? That depends. Are you hot? > [@Baron Greenback](#): > > This is a surprising opinion. I am surprised. A notorious and thought-free conservative thinking that brutalising a young girl is A-OK! Well, helps me understand your sociopathy, you dumb fuck. Don’t believe I said anything about it being okay to brutalize anyone. Of course, you apparently have a different meaning for the word ‘brutalize’ than I do, so there’s really no point in going down that road. Anyway, as I said earlier, I don’t see much of the reason for the outrage. I’ve seen and personally gotten worse. I don’t find being belted on your clothes is really the worst thing to ever happen to a kid. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2011, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aransas-cty-tx-judge-beats-daughter-for-downloading-from-the-internet-2004-incident/601577/289 "2011-11-04T03:09:14Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > Jesus Christ, what the fuck did Matt Lauer do to her? Is there a link to a transcript? Beat her ass with a belt while threatening to “beat her in the fucking face”. Don’t fall for the innocent look face. Dude’s a predator! ---
**Author:** ![rogerbox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/76d3ee/32.png) [@rogerbox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rogerbox)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2011, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aransas-cty-tx-judge-beats-daughter-for-downloading-from-the-internet-2004-incident/601577/290 "2011-11-04T03:14:54Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > You mean a dated picture to rogerbox wouldn’t prove my realness? Weird. But, if you must know, contrary to what you’d like to believe, yes, I’m actually, really real. What? You think I have to follow some premodeled “This-is-what-a-Black-person” is script? I beg to differ. You mean, a picture with a date you could have your actual black friend take for you? No, that proves nothing and since you’re wrong on absolutely everything but I don’t think you’re a TOTAL idiot, you know this and you’re even trolling NOW as we discuss your trolling. LOL your shtick is so predictable. I knew for a fact you would say that somehow my mind was blown because you’re such a unique flower, being black and being conservative. :rolleyes: It’s the trollishness of your name as if we care or are shocked at the concept of OMG a BLACK person that is CONSERVATIVE ( :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: ) and your idiotic race-baiting, imo you are another crypto freeper who gets his jollies pretending to be something they are not on the internet for kicks. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2011, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aransas-cty-tx-judge-beats-daughter-for-downloading-from-the-internet-2004-incident/601577/291 "2011-11-04T03:15:51Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > Don’t believe I said anything about it being okay to brutalize anyone. Of course, you apparently have a different meaning for the word ‘brutalize’ than I do, so there’s really no point in going down that road. Anyway, as I said earlier, I don’t see much of the reason for the outrage. I’ve seen and personally gotten worse. I don’t find being belted on your clothes is really the worst thing to ever happen to a kid. The standard for raising our children should not be avoiding the worst we can do to them but striving to do the best by them. ---
**Author:** ![miss\_elizabeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@miss\_elizabeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/miss_elizabeth)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2011, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aransas-cty-tx-judge-beats-daughter-for-downloading-from-the-internet-2004-incident/601577/292 "2011-11-04T03:16:21Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > I don’t find being belted on your clothes is really the worst thing to ever happen to a kid. Well! If it isn’t the _worst_ thing to ever happen to a kid, then, let’s all just move on! Nothing to see here folks! We’re only allowed to be concerned if it’s the **worst** thing to ever happen to a kid. Otherwise… meh. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2011, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aransas-cty-tx-judge-beats-daughter-for-downloading-from-the-internet-2004-incident/601577/293 "2011-11-04T03:20:33Z")
You know, I’ve been thinking… a number of years ago, I was a research associate for a long-term project in which we monitored the recovery process of people who’d been diagnosed with schizophrenia or schizoaffective disorder. We interviewed people every six months about how they were doing, and also gathered data (with their permission, of course) from medical records, family members, etc. The interviews involved surveys designed to measure their levels of symptomology, functioning, insight, other factors. Built into the project was a scheduled re-training every six months, so that we’d get re-normed (re-reminded, really) on how to fill out the surveys. Because we’d start to fill them out based on not how the people we were interviewing compared to people without the disorders, but based on how they compared to other people WITH the disorder. Which completely threw off the data. Because of one person was “only” hallucinating demon voices commanding them to kill themselves once a day, they clearly were doing GREAT compared to a person who was hallucinating constantly. Which is completely different from how they were doing compared to someone without the disorder who did not hallucinate demon voices ever. I guess this is my clumsy way of saying - this is abuse to those of us without abuse in our histories, and those of us who have insight into how abuse works, and into our own abuse histories. For some people, however, it may not be abuse because in comparison to something else, it’s just not “that bad.” ---
**Author:** ![SylverOne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c0e974/32.png) [@SylverOne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SylverOne)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2011, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aransas-cty-tx-judge-beats-daughter-for-downloading-from-the-internet-2004-incident/601577/294 "2011-11-04T03:21:28Z")
This may’ve been mentioned somewhere in the middle of this monster thread, but I’m not looking. What caught my attention is the mom blathering something about agreeing with him that the daughter was not mature enough for something… then screaming at her to lay on her belly and take it like a 16 year old woman! There is not a WTF big enough to cover it. ---
**Author:** ![Lobot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ce7236/32.png) [@Lobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobot)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2011, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aransas-cty-tx-judge-beats-daughter-for-downloading-from-the-internet-2004-incident/601577/295 "2011-11-04T03:21:28Z")
Did he set fire to her? Did he hobble her, _a la_ _Misery_? Did he throw acid in her face? No? So what’s to discuss? ---
**Author:** ![Farmer\_Jane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Farmer\_Jane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farmer_Jane)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2011, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aransas-cty-tx-judge-beats-daughter-for-downloading-from-the-internet-2004-incident/601577/296 "2011-11-04T03:21:59Z")
Eh, I ducked out of this thread, but [look what just popped up](http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_19253996) on my newsfeed: > [@](#): > > In his statement, though, William Adams painted a starkly different picture of why his daughter posted the clip. > > “Just prior to the YouTube upload, a concerned father shared with his 23-year-old daughter that he was unwilling to continue to work hard and be her primary source of financial support, if she was going to simply ‘drop out,’ and strive to achieve no more in life than to work part time at a video game store,” Adams’ statement said. “Hillary warned her father if he reduced her financial support, and took away her Mercedes automobile, which her father had provided, he would live to regret it.” This is what I meant about wonky family dynamics. I never said the girl deserved the beating. Kids should never get hit. But I won’t judge his entire parenting career from birth to 18 on that video. That’s 17 years, 364 days, 23 hours and 52 minutes I don’t know about. It sounds like he’s still providing for her now. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2011, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aransas-cty-tx-judge-beats-daughter-for-downloading-from-the-internet-2004-incident/601577/297 "2011-11-04T03:27:02Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > Don’t believe I said anything about it being okay to brutalize anyone. Of course, you apparently have a different meaning for the word ‘brutalize’ than I do, so there’s really no point in going down that road. Anyway, as I said earlier, I don’t see much of the reason for the outrage. I’ve seen and personally gotten worse. I don’t find being belted on your clothes is really the worst thing to ever happen to a kid. Did you watch that video? More importantly, did you grasp what was happening there? That lass was being thrashed by a brute. Sucks for you having being beasted by your parents, but fuck right off if you think that is normal. I hope you get better. ---
**Author:** ![Lobot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ce7236/32.png) [@Lobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobot)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2011, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aransas-cty-tx-judge-beats-daughter-for-downloading-from-the-internet-2004-incident/601577/298 "2011-11-04T03:27:08Z")
Well, that changes _everything_! Or not. I don’t give a shit what may (or may not) have motivated the video being posted. Because unlike some sick fucks, I’m not looking to excuse his behaviour. ETA: Directed at CP. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2011, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aransas-cty-tx-judge-beats-daughter-for-downloading-from-the-internet-2004-incident/601577/299 "2011-11-04T03:31:46Z")
> [@CitizenPained](#): > > Eh, I ducked out of this thread, but [look what just popped up](http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_19253996) on my newsfeed: > > This is what I meant about wonky family dynamics. I never said the girl deserved the beating. Kids should never get hit. But I won’t judge his entire parenting career from birth to 18 on that video. That’s 17 years, 364 days, 23 hours and 52 minutes I don’t know about. It sounds like he’s still providing for her now. Ah, so you’re continuing with your tactic to call her a liar, and assume that the video is a happily coincidental videotaping of the only physically violent episode in the history of the family. One the one hand, we’ve got the daughter and the mother claiming years of abuse, and a video of what normal people clearly label as physical abuse. On the other hand, we’ve got the alleged abuser doing what abusers do, denying that it was “that bad,” and making excuses for his behavior. On the third hand, we have people like you, with an admitted history of an abusive family, claiming that the the family dynamics are “wonky” while downplaying the physical violence that might contribute to that wonkiness, and insisting that the abuse is not a big deal. Yeeahhh…I think I’ll go with Occam’s razor on this one. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2011, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aransas-cty-tx-judge-beats-daughter-for-downloading-from-the-internet-2004-incident/601577/300 "2011-11-04T03:33:37Z")
> [@miss\_elizabeth](#): > > You are not right in the head. And I mean that in all seriousness. You really do need therapy. I don’t know what happened to you to make you such a fruitcake, but quit spreading your issues all over the next generation. Well… I’m not trying to attack or diagnose anybody here, but there’s maybe something to be said about the fact that the people who are downplaying the beating seem to fall into two camps, or a combination of the two: “Come on, kids are assholes. Sometimes you just want to fucking devastate their resistance with overwhelming force. That’s normal, right?” and “Come on, I got beaten worse than that, and I’m normal, right?” The idea that this is considered unacceptable behavior probably has some uncomfortable implications about victimization in both directions. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aransas-cty-tx-judge-beats-daughter-for-downloading-from-the-internet-2004-incident/601577.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aransas-cty-tx-judge-beats-daughter-for-downloading-from-the-internet-2004-incident/601577.md?page=16)