# Arbery Shooting in Georgia and Citizen's Arrest \[& similar shootings\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 14, 2020, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arbery-shooting-in-georgia-and-citizens-arrest-similar-shootings/853815 "2020-05-14T23:26:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2021, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arbery-shooting-in-georgia-and-citizens-arrest-similar-shootings/853815/342 "2021-11-24T19:07:04Z")
More on the Federal charges for those who are interested: > **[Three Georgia Men Charged with Federal Hate Crimes and Attempted Kidnapping...](https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/three-georgia-men-charged-federal-hate-crimes-and-attempted-kidnapping-connection-death)** > > Three Georgia men were indicted today by a federal grand jury in the Southern District of Georgia and charged with hate crimes and the attempted kidnapping of Ahmaud Arbery. The indictment also charges two of the men with separate counts of using... ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2021, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arbery-shooting-in-georgia-and-citizens-arrest-similar-shootings/853815/343 "2021-11-24T19:12:06Z")
Good. Good. Good. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2021, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arbery-shooting-in-georgia-and-citizens-arrest-similar-shootings/853815/344 "2021-11-24T19:23:08Z")
A rare moment of pride for my fellow Georgians - eleven white and one black jurors recognized a lynching for what it was, and said “Not in my town”. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2021, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arbery-shooting-in-georgia-and-citizens-arrest-similar-shootings/853815/345 "2021-11-24T20:06:33Z")
So grateful for this verdict. I truly did not want to see this country have to take two blows. Plus it’s obvious as fuck they were guilty. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2021, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arbery-shooting-in-georgia-and-citizens-arrest-similar-shootings/853815/346 "2021-11-24T20:12:49Z")
> [@Crane](#): > > The toenail thing crossed the line. Seriously. What in the living fuck? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2021, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arbery-shooting-in-georgia-and-citizens-arrest-similar-shootings/853815/347 "2021-11-24T20:25:07Z")
What was the 911 call that the jury asked to be replayed? ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2021, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arbery-shooting-in-georgia-and-citizens-arrest-similar-shootings/853815/348 "2021-11-24T21:09:33Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > > [@Crane](#): > > > > The toenail thing crossed the line. > > Seriously. What in the living fuck? “When the law is on your side, pound on the law.” “When the facts are on your side, pound on the facts.” “When neither the law nor the facts are on your side, pound on the table.” ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2021, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arbery-shooting-in-georgia-and-citizens-arrest-similar-shootings/853815/349 "2021-11-24T21:25:06Z")
> [@Crane](#): > > The toenail thing crossed the line. I obviously have no idea of the jury’s thought processes, but my speculation (probably over in the MPSIMS thread) that this might backfire on the defense very badly may have turned out to be right. Or maybe it was just irrelevant. But the fact remains that the defense didn’t just lose, they were decimated; they lost on almost every charge. Bryan came out best, guilty of six of the nine charges, including three of four murder indictments. Travis McMichael, the actual shooter, guilty of everything. The jury was certainly unimpressed by most of what the defense lawyers had to say, and may have been disgusted by some of it. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2021, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arbery-shooting-in-georgia-and-citizens-arrest-similar-shootings/853815/350 "2021-11-24T22:19:48Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Bryan came out best, guilty of six of the nine charges, including three of four murder indictments. Yeah, but in this case “best” is a big old lose. All he got is bragging rights since all the murder convictions equal one in sentencing. So in terms of actual time served there is not likely to be much daylight between any of the three. Bryan is 52 and he won’t be seeing daylight until he is 82, at best. Travis McMichael got 9 out of 9 - but if he isn’t sentenced to life without parole (and he might be) he should have the best chance of making it out for a few years since he is only 35. His 65 year-old dad will almost certainly die in prison (or in a hospital while dying on humane release). ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2021, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arbery-shooting-in-georgia-and-citizens-arrest-similar-shootings/853815/351 "2021-11-24T22:23:59Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Bryan came out best, guilty of six of the nine charges, including three of four murder indictments. Given what he was convicted of, his age, and the likely sentences, it really makes no difference. All their lives are basically over. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2021, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arbery-shooting-in-georgia-and-citizens-arrest-similar-shootings/853815/352 "2021-11-24T22:41:23Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Given what he was convicted of, his age, and the likely sentences, it really makes no difference. All their lives are basically over Considering how they ended an innocent guy’s life for no reason - good. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2021, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arbery-shooting-in-georgia-and-citizens-arrest-similar-shootings/853815/353 "2021-11-24T22:46:36Z")
Will they be heroes to the Aryan Nation (or whatever) in prison? ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2021, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arbery-shooting-in-georgia-and-citizens-arrest-similar-shootings/853815/354 "2021-11-24T22:52:55Z")
I’ll have to speculate that a couple of very diverse groups might be fighting over these ol’ boys … with a widely divergent view of them and their actions 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2021, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arbery-shooting-in-georgia-and-citizens-arrest-similar-shootings/853815/355 "2021-11-24T22:54:03Z")
I’m not sure the toenail thing could really “backfire”. I imagine that anyone who would vote to convict after that was already going to vote to convict. There’s no penalty for “Vote to convict, and I’m really, really angry about it”. They were banking on having the “right sort of people” on the jury, for whom the toenail thing would be a reminder that Arbery was “the wrong sort of person”. Thankfully, they didn’t have any of that sort of juror. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2021, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arbery-shooting-in-georgia-and-citizens-arrest-similar-shootings/853815/356 "2021-11-24T23:08:39Z")
We have a resident expert here on the dope, but I had a good friend (my tennis doubles partner and golfing buddy) in the 1990s who was a Physician’s Assistant at a state prison. He said that the white supremacist gangs ran one sector of the prison and were kept well away from the rest of the population. Even going to the infirmary they were segregated. Many years after I lost regular contact with him, I found out why he was reluctant to talk about the COs in the system. Apparently the level of criminality among the COs was only marginally lower than that of the inmates. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2021, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arbery-shooting-in-georgia-and-citizens-arrest-similar-shootings/853815/357 "2021-11-24T23:33:35Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > I’m not sure the toenail thing could really “backfire”. I imagine that anyone who would vote to convict after that was already going to vote to convict. There’s no penalty for “Vote to convict, and I’m really, really angry about it”. They were banking on having the “right sort of people” on the jury, for whom the toenail thing would be a reminder that Arbery was “the wrong sort of person”. Thankfully, they didn’t have any of that sort of juror. I was listening to NPR’s coverage of the Arbery verdict driving home today. The national feed had an interview with Ahmaud Arbery’s father and the family’s attorney. The local NPR station here in Atlanta ran an interview with an attorney who trained under prosecutor Lisa Dunikoski. Both attornies mentioned the toenails remark as an appeal to racism; Ben Crump, the family’s lawyer, called it a “dogwhistle”. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2021, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arbery-shooting-in-georgia-and-citizens-arrest-similar-shootings/853815/358 "2021-11-24T23:39:59Z")
This really puts the original DA’s decision not to prosecute in a harsher light. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arbery-shooting-in-georgia-and-citizens-arrest-similar-shootings/853815/359 "2021-11-25T00:18:17Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > This really puts the original DA’s decision not to prosecute in a harsher light. She’s potentially looking at a few years herself and this verdict is not going to help her. She’s been indicted on charges of police obstruction and violating her oath of office. The first is a misdemeanor, but the latter is a felony punishable by 1 to 5 years. I would imagine she is sweating bullets right about now. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arbery-shooting-in-georgia-and-citizens-arrest-similar-shootings/853815/360 "2021-11-25T00:22:23Z")
There won’t be a diverse group fighting over them, they will belong to one of the white gangs. The guards are mostly white and on their side so as long as they don’t run foul of the white gangs they will be fine. They will have to do things they may not be used to, like shoving drugs up their ass but they will be protected by the guards and the white gangs. Black prisoners will have no access to them. I wouldn’t expect them to get raped because they are old men but if they did it would be a white guy doing it not a black guy. Don’t believe what you see in movies, white guys won’t be exposed to “Tyrone” but “Jethro” or “Billy Bob” ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2021, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arbery-shooting-in-georgia-and-citizens-arrest-similar-shootings/853815/361 "2021-11-25T00:34:23Z")
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