# Arby's selling wagyu beef burger **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** food-cooking\ **Created:** [May 23, 2022, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arbys-selling-wagyu-beef-burger/964948 "2022-05-23T18:31:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2022, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arbys-selling-wagyu-beef-burger/964948/1 "2022-05-23T18:31:05Z")
I had to look this up to make sure that it wasn’t a hoax, but it seems legitimate. > **[Exclusive: Arby's is selling a fast-food staple it's never offered before |...](https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/23/business-food/arbys-wagyu-burger-launch/index.html)** > > Typically there's nothing groundbreaking about a fast-food chain selling a hamburger. But Arby's has never sold one — until now. Arby’s, best known for selling roast beef sandwiches, has had other kinds of sandwiches on its menu for years. Chicken sandwiches, fish sandwiches, even weird things like a chicken salad sandwich. But it has never sold a burger before, and it’s starting big, with a wagyu beef patty. It’s only available for a week and then it’s gone. At $6 I’d love to try one, but I get the feeling that they will either be out of them every time I check, or the line will stretch so long I won’t even be able to get into the drive thru. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2022, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arbys-selling-wagyu-beef-burger/964948/2 "2022-05-23T18:56:43Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > It’s only available for a week and then it’s gone. Did you read May for July? Because your link says it’ll be there through July 31. Plenty of time to grab one. And make a reservation for your hospital room. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2022, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arbys-selling-wagyu-beef-burger/964948/3 "2022-05-23T18:58:33Z")
Yes I did, thanks for pointing out my blunder. 🤦‍♂️ ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2022, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arbys-selling-wagyu-beef-burger/964948/4 "2022-05-23T19:06:51Z")
There can be no way Arby’s is selling genuine wagyu beef. Wagyu beef goes for hundreds of dollars a pound. The cows are very special, and can only be fed certain things, and only slaughtered by blind left-handed Tibetan monks on full moons between Lent and Ramadan, etc. Must not be any trademark here in the US for the phrase ‘wagyu beef’ because the only thing authentic about it at Arby’s is probably just the name. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2022, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arbys-selling-wagyu-beef-burger/964948/5 "2022-05-23T19:12:03Z")
That’s also a marketing gimmick. Technically, it’s just [a breed of cattle](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagyu). > In the United States, some Japanese Wagyu cattle are bred with [Aberdeen Angus cattle](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aberdeen_Angus_cattle). This crossbreed has been named American Style Kobe Beef,[[13]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagyu#cite_note-13) or “Wangus”,[[14]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagyu#cite_note-14) although many American retailers simply (inaccurately) refer to it as Wagyu. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2022, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arbys-selling-wagyu-beef-burger/964948/6 "2022-05-23T19:12:42Z")
> [@Cardigan](#): > > Must not be any trademark here in the US for the phrase ‘wagyu beef’ because the only thing authentic about it at Arby’s is probably just the name. Pete Campbell: “The steer are all named ‘Waygu’. Problem solved!” Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2022, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arbys-selling-wagyu-beef-burger/964948/7 "2022-05-23T19:25:34Z")
“Wangus Beef?” Did they make sure there wasn’t already a porn star using that name? Remember when Jack in the Box did a “we went there by not going there” vis a vis Burger King angus/anus. They couldn’t resist this time again. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2022, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arbys-selling-wagyu-beef-burger/964948/8 "2022-05-23T19:31:03Z")
From the linked article: > Wagyu, which means “Japanese cow,” refers to specific breeds of cattle and is known for its rich flavor and buttery tenderness. Arby’s version weighs in at 6.4 ounces and is a **52% blend of American Wagyu and 48% ground beef** that is cooked “sous vide style” to create a juicy and tender burger. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2022, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arbys-selling-wagyu-beef-burger/964948/9 "2022-05-23T19:32:28Z")
> [@Cardigan](#): > > Wagyu beef goes for hundreds of dollars a pound. That is inaccurate, or at least misleading. A5 Japanese Wagyu beef (the highest grade) can go for hundreds of dollars a pound. The lower grades are cheaper. In America, there are purebred Japanese Wagyu cows that are raised in the US, and meat from those cows can be sold stateside for a bit less money because there are no import fees. In addition, some cows called American Wagyu are actually Wagyu cows crossbred with Angus cows. The American Wagyu Assocation will actually perform DNA tests to certify that cows are legitimate purebred Wagyu. > **[Animal Registration](https://wagyu.org/for-members/registration)** > > Wagyu, the finest beef there is. Find how to become a member, education, and resources for members here. According to this article, what Arby’s is selling is “an American Wagyu blended burger”. > **[Arby's is launching its first burger ever. Here's how it tastes, and when you...](https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/food/2022/05/23/arbys-hamburger-wagyu-steakhouse-burger/9857449002/)** > > Arby's can now truly say it has the meats, after announcing it is launching its first burger ever. The Wagyu Steakhouse Burger is available May 23. What does that mean? Beats me. I suspect that either the cows are crossbred Wagyu/Angus cows, or they have actual Wagyu beef blended with another kind. It’s hard to say. > [@Cardigan](#): > > The cows are very special, and can only be fed certain things, and only slaughtered by blind left-handed Tibetan monks on full moons between Lent and Ramadan, etc. > > Must not be any trademark here in the US for the phrase ‘wagyu beef’ because the only thing authentic about it at Arby’s is probably just the name. Quite a bit of misinformation here. > [@running\_coach](#): > > From the linked article: Thanks, I missed that. So it is a blend of Wagyu and another kind. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2022, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arbys-selling-wagyu-beef-burger/964948/10 "2022-05-23T19:35:53Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Arby’s version weighs in at 6.4 ounces and is a **52% blend of American Wagyu and 48% ground beef** that is cooked “sous vide style” to create a juicy and tender burger. I’m pretty sure everything at Arby’s is cooked “sous vide style” if by that term you mean at lower than recommended temperature and without adequate quality control. When it comes to actual _sous vide_ preparation, I think I’ll stick with restaurants who actually have trained cooks in this style who understand sanitation requirements, or make it at home where I at least know how I’m taking my life in my hands. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![JohnGalt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johngalt/32/184_2.png) [@JohnGalt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnGalt)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2022, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arbys-selling-wagyu-beef-burger/964948/11 "2022-05-23T21:41:37Z")
Just as interesting about the announcement is it’s the first time Arby’s has offered a burger on its menu. Did they have to install flattop grills for this one product, and does this portend other burgers or grilled items? ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2022, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arbys-selling-wagyu-beef-burger/964948/12 "2022-05-23T21:53:35Z")
I know Arby’s makes their roast beef in 200F ovens where a big cut of the beef cooks for like 4 hours, and then they use slicers to portion it out on demand, and that’s their main method of cooking. But they do have a few odd ball menu items like chicken sandwiches, fish sandwiches etc, so they may have some sort of flat top grill in the stores albeit probably a small one. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2022, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arbys-selling-wagyu-beef-burger/964948/13 "2022-05-23T22:08:57Z")
Personally, I suspect that the whole Japanese beef thing is 100% marketing hype with zero actual substance behind it, because Japan is geographically about the worst possible place to raise beef. By making it so exclusive, if anyone ever has one and finds it unimpressive, they can say it’s not the real wagyu beef, and very few people are going to actually spend hundreds of dollars for a burger unless they’re already planning on saying how good it was. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2022, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arbys-selling-wagyu-beef-burger/964948/14 "2022-05-23T22:34:30Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > In addition, some cows called American Wagyu are actually Wagyu cows crossbred with Angus cows. As my high school biology would say: “that ain’t never going to produce a calf–use a bull next time”. Yes, the tests would have trick questions like that. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2022, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arbys-selling-wagyu-beef-burger/964948/15 "2022-05-23T22:43:47Z")
> [@JohnGalt](#): > > Did they have to install flattop grills for this one product, and does this portend other burgers or grilled items? The announcement said they will cook them the same way their other meats are cooked. And yeah, it seems weird to not grill burgers on a grill, but one of the oldest burger places still in operation is White Castle and they steam their burgers, they never grill them. (That’s why the patties have holes, to let steam pass through.) Not saying the patties are steamed at Arby’s, I think they boil the meat over a long period of time at a low heat in a bag. This article suggests the burgers are done that way: > **[Arby's launches its first-ever burger made with premium American Wagyu beef](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/arbys-launches-its-first-ever-burger-made-with-premium-american-wagyu-beef-143018364.html)** > > Arby's "has the meats" — and now it has its first-ever burger. > Prepared using a “sous vide” style, which uses a vacuum-sealed pouch to slowly cook the meat in a temperature-controlled water bath, Arby’s said the patty emerges with a crispy outer edge and slightly pink center. @Stranger_On_A_Train said as much upthread as well. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2022, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arbys-selling-wagyu-beef-burger/964948/16 "2022-05-23T22:48:29Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > I’m pretty sure everything at Arby’s is cooked “sous vide style” if by that term you mean at lower than recommended temperature and without adequate quality control. Luckily the 3:1 salt to beef ratio controls bacteria. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2022, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arbys-selling-wagyu-beef-burger/964948/17 "2022-05-23T22:52:50Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Personally, I suspect that the whole Japanese beef thing is 100% marketing hype with zero actual substance behind it, because Japan is geographically about the worst possible place to raise beef. Japan is [a not insignificant producer of cattle](https://apps.fas.usda.gov/newgainapi/api/Report/DownloadReportByFileName?fileName=Livestock%20and%20Products%20Annual_Tokyo_Japan_08-15-2020) although they are a net importer and their exports are negligible. Despite the impression of Japan has a highly urbanized nation the Home Islands actually have a lot of rural land devoted to agriculture and a tradition of producing extremely-finely marbled beef. The Ryukyu Islands are known for intensive sugar can production, many of which also host cattle that eat the residual in cane fields producing a very special type of beef that is highly fatted and sweet-flavored (_Ishigaki_ and _Iriomote_ beef, from their respective islands of the same name) that essentially dissolves in the mouth. This beef is not produced in significant volumes because of how labor-intensive it is to care for the cattle but it is expensive and highly prized in Okinawa and in high end restaurants in the Home Islands. Doubtless whatever Arby’s is selling is not true Wagyu beef, nor would it make sense to grind true Wagyu into ground beef for consumption by Arby’s customers, but there is certainly a beef industry in Japan. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2022, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arbys-selling-wagyu-beef-burger/964948/18 "2022-05-23T23:04:28Z")
My speculation, and this is speculation because I haven’t seen it, is that they are taking beef from cows colloquially called “American Wagyu”, which are the Wagyu/Angus hybrids. Technically, those are sometimes called Wagyu cows, though many often say that name is misleading. They can then take that meat, grind it, and mix it with regular Angus beef, and plausibly call it Wagyu even though it has practically gone through a homeopathic proving before ending up in your sandwich. In addition, it could be ground chuck, which while fine to use ground up in a burger, is a pretty inexpensive cut of meat. With all that, they can afford to sell a burger without costing too much, and calling it Wagyu isn’t really false. It’s just that “Wagyu” doesn’t necessarily mean what people think that it means. > **[What is American Wagyu Beef | Kobe vs Wagyu | SRF](https://www.snakeriverfarms.com/kobe-vs-wagyu)** > > Learn the difference between Wagyu beef, American Wagyu beef, and Kobe beef, and more about the history of Wagyu cattle. > Wagyu is a Japanese cattle breed that produces intensely marbled beef. Bona fide Wagyu is rare and carefully guarded. The breed is unique in that it continues to add intramuscular fat as the cattle grows. > > When crossbred with other non-Wagyu cattle breeds, it yields American Wagyu which features rich marbling and the traditional beef flavor preferred by American palates. ---
**Author:** ![Briny\_Deep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/briny_deep/32/17188_2.png) [@Briny\_Deep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Briny_Deep)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2022, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arbys-selling-wagyu-beef-burger/964948/19 "2022-05-23T23:05:44Z")
“I’m so hungry, I could eat at Arby’s!” [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/zl1EBudmol8/maxresdefault.jpg "The Simpsons - Arby’s") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl1EBudmol8) ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2022, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arbys-selling-wagyu-beef-burger/964948/20 "2022-05-23T23:57:05Z")
> [@](#): > > The Wagyu Steakhouse Burger is served with American cheese, shredded lettuce, tomato, pickles, red onion and a “special burger sauce” on a toasted brioche bun. If it were quality wagyu, putting American cheese on it would constitute a war crime. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arbys-selling-wagyu-beef-burger/964948.md?page=2)