# Archaic Beverages **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** food-cooking\ **Created:** [July 3, 2022, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archaic-beverages/967329 "2022-07-03T03:20:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2022, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archaic-beverages/967329/81 "2022-07-04T13:15:31Z")
> [@Neidhart](#): > > Does anybody drink Rob Roys anymore? A Rob Roy is just a Manhattan with scotch instead of rye. I went to a Burns Supper a few years back that was serving them as aperitifs. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2022, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archaic-beverages/967329/82 "2022-07-04T13:25:36Z")
> [@DPRK](#): > > What is the recipe? Isn’t the lemon already quite acidic by itself? Lemon extract (i.e. from the peel, so no citric acid) plus “acid phosphate”, an acidic mix of salts of phosphoric acid. I have a bottle of the stuff linked above but have yet to make anything I’ve really enjoyed. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2022, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archaic-beverages/967329/83 "2022-07-04T13:59:02Z")
Well, it’s one thing to ferment honey or argue whether bread was invented before beer. The former leads down a slippery slope of making your own chainmail and deciding there is nothing _really_ off-putting to attending “Renaissance Fayres” or the bizarre modern equivalent, “Medieval Times”. The latter just allows you to appreciate recent advances in zymurgy. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2022, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archaic-beverages/967329/84 "2022-07-04T14:31:23Z")
> [@bump](#): > > My dad mentioned something called a “boilermaker” which was a beer with a shot of whiskey in it, either in sequence (slam the beer, down the shot), or mixed together. That’s one that I haven’t actually seen or heard of in the wild. Really? I’ve seen it on TV sitcoms, and, I, not a big drinker, have certainly heard of it. I thought it was pretty widely known. > [@cincinnatus](#): > > Haven’t seen a gimlet in a long time. My wife made them about two weeks ago. Lime juice and vodka goes down easy and quick. I have to be very careful with gimlets. I love gimlets! It’s my favorite mixed drink. Gin, only, please. ---
**Author:** ![Bonum\_Legatum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bonum_legatum/32/6183_2.png) [@Bonum\_Legatum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bonum_Legatum)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2022, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archaic-beverages/967329/85 "2022-07-04T14:45:52Z")
From “The Bark-Covered House” by William Nowlin, a drink of the pioneers made from fermented honey: Metheglin. Although it may be known by other names. Several sources state that it is a spiced mead (honey wine). ---
**Author:** ![Kropotkin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kropotkin/32/18045_2.png) [@Kropotkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kropotkin)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2022, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archaic-beverages/967329/86 "2022-07-04T15:02:45Z")
We called the mixed pop creation “Swamp Water,” not least because it looks pretty muddy. This would be late '60s-early '70s in Vancouver, BC ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2022, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archaic-beverages/967329/87 "2022-07-04T15:06:52Z")
> [@Bonum\_Legatum](#): > > Although it may be known by other names. Several sources state that it is a spiced mead (honey wine). Those sources are correct. There is also pyment (grapes), braggot (beer), cyser (apples), etc. All are forms of mead. ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2022, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archaic-beverages/967329/88 "2022-07-04T16:17:55Z")
> [@carrps](#): > > Really? I’ve seen it on TV sitcoms, and, I, not a big drinker, have certainly heard of it. I thought it was pretty widely known. I didn’t mean that it was obscure, just that I haven’t actually _seen_ anyone ever drink one. Not at a party, not while hanging out at anyone’s house, not at a bar, etc… Just seen commentary on TV, and heard comments from old-timers about them. > [@Kropotkin](#): > > We called the mixed pop creation “Swamp Water,” not least because it looks pretty muddy. This would be late '60s-early '70s in Vancouver, BC Whatever they’re called, I think they’re an emergent property of giving little kids a cup full of ice and an array of soda nozzles. First time my kids got to get their own sodas, they got some sort of ungodly mixture of everything available, and they still do. ---
**Author:** ![Tarataratara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Tarataratara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tarataratara)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2022, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archaic-beverages/967329/89 "2022-07-04T16:40:37Z")
Sonic has lots of drink flavoring mix-ins. ---
**Author:** ![Kropotkin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kropotkin/32/18045_2.png) [@Kropotkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kropotkin)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2022, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archaic-beverages/967329/90 "2022-07-04T16:42:59Z")
One of my profs at university used to line up with hoi polloi in the student pub to create his own concoction ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2022, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archaic-beverages/967329/91 "2022-07-04T17:13:54Z")
> [@bump](#): > > I didn’t mean that it was obscure, just that I haven’t actually _seen_ anyone ever drink one. Ah. That’s different. I misunderstood. I’ve never seen anyone order one either IRL. ---
**Author:** ![Filbert](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/filbert/32/3433_2.png) [@Filbert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Filbert)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2022, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archaic-beverages/967329/92 "2022-07-04T17:19:56Z")
Fentimans is widely available in the UK; I’ve seen all of the above flavours in the last few weeks, plus others. Flavoured gins and vodkas are also very common over here, not something anyone would think of as even old fashioned, forget ‘archaic’… ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2022, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archaic-beverages/967329/93 "2022-07-04T18:20:25Z")
Yeah, they must be thinking of Big Red. I tried Moxie for the first time last year — I really enjoyed it. It basically tasted like a slightly more bitter root beer. Definitely heavy on the wintergreen. I was expecting it to be far more bitter and was disappointed that it wasn’t but I still really liked it. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2022, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archaic-beverages/967329/94 "2022-07-04T20:47:48Z")
At summer camp and similar activities we often given Bug Juice to drink. It would come in one of those large metal insulated coolers that looked sort of like a coffee urn. The drink was just watered down Kool-Aid when I was a child in the Dark Ages but apparently there’s now a [commercial product](https://bugjuice.com/) using that name ---
**Author:** ![Tarataratara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Tarataratara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tarataratara)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2022, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archaic-beverages/967329/95 "2022-07-04T20:55:36Z")
McDonald’s would provide coolers of watery orange drink for things like Field Day when I was young. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2022, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archaic-beverages/967329/96 "2022-07-04T21:01:09Z")
If one had one’s birthday party at a McDonald’s, back in the day, they’d provide that same cooler of orange drink, along with the hamburgers and fries. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archaic-beverages/967329/97 "2022-07-05T01:29:55Z")
> [@kitap](#): > > There was a restaurant/candy store in Madison, WI - the Badger Candy Kitchen - that had them. Regarding phosphate sodas; Ella’s Deli, a Madison landmark for decades, had them too. Sadly they closed. ---
**Author:** ![kitap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b9e5f3/32.png) [@kitap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kitap)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archaic-beverages/967329/98 "2022-07-05T01:55:16Z")
I ate at Ella’s many times. Weird I don’t remember phosphates there. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archaic-beverages/967329/99 "2022-07-05T01:59:39Z")
Their menu is still online on their old website, it lists them. Page 3 under beverages. [http://ellasdeli.com/pdfs/DeliMenu.pdf](http://ellasdeli.com/pdfs/DeliMenu.pdf) They also had egg cremes, listed on their dessert menu. [http://ellasdeli.com/pdfs/DessertMenu.pdf](http://ellasdeli.com/pdfs/DessertMenu.pdf) ---
**Author:** ![kitap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b9e5f3/32.png) [@kitap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kitap)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archaic-beverages/967329/100 "2022-07-05T02:03:44Z")
I had egg cremes from the Loose Juice once or twice. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archaic-beverages/967329.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archaic-beverages/967329.md?page=6)