# Archbishop Compares Criticisms Of Pope To Jesus' Sufferings **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 30, 2010, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archbishop-compares-criticisms-of-pope-to-jesus-sufferings/534289 "2010-03-30T02:02:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archbishop-compares-criticisms-of-pope-to-jesus-sufferings/534289/121 "2010-04-06T19:30:42Z")
Now my head is truly spinning (and it’s not the six rum and cokes I had for lunch). So this whole thing, including the coverups, transferring of priests and payout of bribes, is the fault of liberals starting in the sixties. Anybody heard from **Starving Artist** lately? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archbishop-compares-criticisms-of-pope-to-jesus-sufferings/534289/122 "2010-04-06T20:49:18Z")
OMG. And I thought it couldn’t get any worse. “Homosexual pederasty”? How about pedophiles are attracted to children; homosexuals are attracted to members of their own sex–NOT children. What disturbs me is that (so far) we have only heard about altar boys/boys being molested–I’m sure there are many, many girls out there who have also been sexually abused by Father So and So. How is ANY of this the “liberal elite’s” fault? I so want to be a member of this so called Liberal Elite. I wonder how one gains membership. Could it be by having a brain and being able to connect dots? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archbishop-compares-criticisms-of-pope-to-jesus-sufferings/534289/123 "2010-04-06T21:12:13Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > OMG. And I thought it couldn’t get any worse. “Homosexual pederasty”? How about pedophiles are attracted to children; homosexuals are attracted to members of their own sex–NOT children. > > What disturbs me is that (so far) we have only heard about altar boys/boys being molested–I’m sure there are many, many girls out there who have also been sexually abused by Father So and So. > How is ANY of this the “liberal elite’s” fault? I so want to be a member of this so called Liberal Elite. I wonder how one gains membership. Could it be by having a brain and being able to connect dots? :rolleyes: Bah. I used to have a tendency to think kindly of them for the most part, even though I was not an active church goer anymore. But after all this, they can just fucking rot in hell. ---
**Author:** ![Anne\_Neville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Anne\_Neville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anne_Neville)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archbishop-compares-criticisms-of-pope-to-jesus-sufferings/534289/124 "2010-04-06T21:30:25Z")
[The latest from the Vatican.](http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2010/04/06/international/i114527D93.DTL) Now it seems we’re upset about kids being molested and the Church covering it up because we don’t like the Church’s opposition to abortion and same-sex marriage. 😕 Oh, and a gem from the article **jayjay** linked to: > [@](#): > > They are still upset that the church elected a Catholic to the papacy rather than a modern liberal. We were expecting them to elect a non-Catholic to the papacy? Just how dumb do they think we are? > [@eleanorigby](#): > > How is ANY of this the “liberal elite’s” fault? I so want to be a member of this so called Liberal Elite. I wonder how one gains membership. If you find out, let me know. I’d like to join, too. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archbishop-compares-criticisms-of-pope-to-jesus-sufferings/534289/125 "2010-04-06T22:18:58Z")
> [@Anne\_Neville](#): > > We were expecting them to elect a non-Catholic to the papacy? > > Just how dumb do they think we are? I’m pretty sure that where he’s going with that is that a modern liberal can’t be a real Catholic. ---
**Author:** ![BrightNShiny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@BrightNShiny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrightNShiny)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archbishop-compares-criticisms-of-pope-to-jesus-sufferings/534289/126 "2010-04-06T22:26:21Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > I’m pretty sure that where he’s going with that is that a modern liberal can’t be a real Catholic. I guess being opposed to child abuse makes you a modern liberal? I’m out of words for how disgusting and immoral these people are. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archbishop-compares-criticisms-of-pope-to-jesus-sufferings/534289/127 "2010-04-06T22:52:06Z")
> [@](#): > > They are still upset that the church elected a Catholic to the papacy rather than a modern liberal. If a modern liberal can’t be a Catholic, the church is a political organization, and must be be taxed as one. These conservative pederast defenders need to stop listening to Rush. I doubt they will. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Fight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/90ced4/32.png) [@Cat\_Fight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Fight)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archbishop-compares-criticisms-of-pope-to-jesus-sufferings/534289/128 "2010-04-06T23:00:22Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > OMG. And I thought it couldn’t get any worse. “Homosexual pederasty”? How about pedophiles are attracted to children; homosexuals are attracted to members of their own sex–NOT children. > > What disturbs me is that (so far) we have only heard about altar boys/boys being molested–I’m sure there are many, many girls out there who have also been sexually abused by Father So and So. I mentioned this is another thread (I think) when someone brought up the excellent, heartbreaking documentary [Deliver Us From Evil](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0814075/). Someone in it mentions that the priest in question (or perhaps another one, can’t recall) had abused girls as well but only got moved to another town when he started in on boys. When it’s a girl, especially one close to puberty, it’s just too easy to blame it on her being a whore and the priest being weak and only human. When a boy is abused they’re both sinning. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archbishop-compares-criticisms-of-pope-to-jesus-sufferings/534289/129 "2010-04-06T23:21:37Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > [Lots and lots of gossip:](http://www.smh.com.au/world/abuse-hotline-crashes-as-humiliated-church-prays-for-a-new-start-20100403-rkrt.html) > > > [@](#): > > > > [AN ABUSE hotline set up by the Catholic Church in Germany crashed on its first day as more than 4400 alleged victims of paedophile and violent priests called to seek counselling and advice. > > > > The handful of therapists assigned to deal with them could not cope with the numbers - only 162 of 4459 callers were given advice before the system was closed. > > > > Andreas Zimmer, the head of the project in the Bishopric of Trier, said he was not prepared for ‘‘that kind of an onslaught’’. > > > > The hotline is the church’s attempt to win back trustfollowing an escalating abuse scandal that threatens the papacy of German-born Pope Benedict. Oh dear sweet Jesus, Joseph and doggystyle Mary… … THAT MANY in Germany alone? Even if as many as half were prank calls, that’s still way more than I was expecting… I’m angry. ---
**Author:** ![Eva\_Luna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e495f1/32.png) [@Eva\_Luna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eva_Luna)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archbishop-compares-criticisms-of-pope-to-jesus-sufferings/534289/130 "2010-04-06T23:56:55Z")
> [@Grumman](#): > > Going after _one_ den of child molesters is a lot better than going after _zero_ child molesters. And that’s about what your position amounts to, that until we have enough information to alpha strike every child molester in the world we should just leave them be. > > Going after the Catholic Church _first_ does nothing to stop anyone going after other child molesters later. Hell, it might be enough of a deterrent that we won’t have to go after a few of them. That, and well, it makes a certain amount of sense to start with what so far appears to be the largest systematic coverup of abuse that has been unearthed anywhere, to date, and for which the leaders of the organization in question, all the way to the very top, are still largely unrepentant. Seriously, I am boggled at how tone-deaf the Catholic Church has been. How can anyone with two synapses to rub together make an analogy between the murder of millions of innocent people and the criticism of the failure to do pretty much anything at all about the rape of thousands of children? ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2010, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archbishop-compares-criticisms-of-pope-to-jesus-sufferings/534289/131 "2010-04-07T01:39:47Z")
> [@Anne\_Neville](#): > > [The latest from the Vatican.](http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2010/04/06/international/i114527D93.DTL) > > Now it seems we’re upset about kids being molested and the Church covering it up because we don’t like the Church’s opposition to abortion and same-sex marriage. 😕 > > Oh, and a gem from the article **jayjay** linked to: > > We were expecting them to elect a non-Catholic to the papacy? > > Just how dumb do they think we are? > > If you find out, let me know. I’d like to join, too. Oh, dear God. It just shows how in a bubble these people really are. They have no connection to reality. I can well believe that the girls are dismissed as whores. That Irish film (Magdelene something ) a few years ago showed how obsessed the Church seems to be with sex and how repressed they are. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2010, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archbishop-compares-criticisms-of-pope-to-jesus-sufferings/534289/132 "2010-04-07T02:48:14Z")
I am back on a full-sized keyboard, at least for now. I am old enough to remember when day-care centers were centers of Satanic child abuse. I recall recovered memory testimony that destroyed families. I remember when the TV machine told us all that Audis were death machines and that pick-up trucks exploded when hit. We all remember when Bush told us Saddam H was had WMDs. Now it seems that the RCC is the center of a worldwide conspiracy, but that does not mean it ought to be the sole focus of our attentions. What is the TV not telling us? As I stated, I suspect the behavior of the RCC is fairly close to that of other religious and educational groups. Consider that when New York (state) extended the Statute of Limitations of child abuse claims, the move was opposed by the RCC, Jewish groups and Protestant denominations. Is this not at least a clue that such behavior was widespread? Think for yourselves. Do not join a lynch mob. The RCC deserves to be torn apart by the legal system. At this point it seems obvious that will happen. Now, where ought we to look next? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2010, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archbishop-compares-criticisms-of-pope-to-jesus-sufferings/534289/133 "2010-04-07T03:22:12Z")
Probably be a good idea to not look away until the legal system is finished with tearing apart the RCC. Don’t wan’t 'em wiggling out of it; that’s the mistake the Catwoman and the Joker and the Riddler and King Tut always made with Batman. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2010, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archbishop-compares-criticisms-of-pope-to-jesus-sufferings/534289/134 "2010-04-07T03:54:38Z")
> [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](#): > > Think for yourselves. Do not join a lynch mob. The RCC deserves to be torn apart by the legal system. At this point it seems obvious that will happen. Now, where ought we to look next? When it comes to the rich and powerful nothing can be taken as obvious, so I think we’ll keep those bright lights focused on the RCC for the time being, if you don’t mind. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2010, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archbishop-compares-criticisms-of-pope-to-jesus-sufferings/534289/135 "2010-04-07T04:58:08Z")
> [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](#): > > Now it seems that the RCC is the center of a worldwide conspiracy, but that does not mean it ought to be the sole focus of our attentions. What is the TV not telling us? As I stated, I suspect the behavior of the RCC is fairly close to that of other religious and educational groups. > > Consider that when New York (state) extended the Statute of Limitations of child abuse claims, the move was opposed by the RCC, Jewish groups and Protestant denominations. Is this not at least a clue that such behavior was widespread? > > Think for yourselves. Do not join a lynch mob. The RCC deserves to be torn apart by the legal system. At this point it seems obvious that will happen. Now, where ought we to look next? One lynching at a time. The Catholic “house” can be cleaned up, and then the next. And the next. Then the next. May as well clean up the biggest rat nest first. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2010, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archbishop-compares-criticisms-of-pope-to-jesus-sufferings/534289/136 "2010-04-07T05:18:41Z")
Or even if it’s not the biggest, the one that’s in front of us. ---
**Author:** ![BrightNShiny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@BrightNShiny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrightNShiny)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2010, 8:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archbishop-compares-criticisms-of-pope-to-jesus-sufferings/534289/137 "2010-04-07T08:48:18Z")
> [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](#): > > I am back on a full-sized keyboard, at least for now. > > I am old enough to remember when day-care centers were centers of Satanic child abuse. I recall recovered memory testimony that destroyed families. I remember when the TV machine told us all that Audis were death machines and that pick-up trucks exploded when hit. We all remember when Bush told us Saddam H was had WMDs. > > Now it seems that the RCC is the center of a worldwide conspiracy, but that does not mean it ought to be the sole focus of our attentions. What is the TV not telling us? As I stated, I suspect the behavior of the RCC is fairly close to that of other religious and educational groups. > > Consider that when New York (state) extended the Statute of Limitations of child abuse claims, the move was opposed by the RCC, Jewish groups and Protestant denominations. Is this not at least a clue that such behavior was widespread? > > Think for yourselves. Do not join a lynch mob. The RCC deserves to be torn apart by the legal system. At this point it seems obvious that will happen. Now, where ought we to look next? My god. Before I only wished that you only had to spend a few moments of eternity witnessing the hell that is sure to be visited on these people. Now I hope you spend all of it with them. ---
**Author:** ![Icerigger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icerigger/32/432_2.png) [@Icerigger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icerigger)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2010, 10:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archbishop-compares-criticisms-of-pope-to-jesus-sufferings/534289/138 "2010-04-07T10:24:46Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > I can well believe that the girls are dismissed as whores. That Irish film (Magdelene something ) a few years ago showed how obsessed the Church seems to be with sex and how repressed they are. Yeah, if you want to vomit take a look at this, the CC just loves women. > [@](#): > > Let us take off our “secular” eyeglasses, and then we shall be able to see that women, far from being “discriminated” against, are in many ways privileged. And this is the “secret” I wish to share with you. The body of every little girl born into this world is mysteriously sealed by what is properly called the “veil of virginity”. That is to say, a “secret” is entrusted to her body, and a secret is always “veiled”. According to Christian teaching, this veil closes the entrance to a mysterious garden which belongs to God in a special way, and for this reason cannot be entered into except with His express permission, the permission that God grants spouses in the Sacrament of Matrimony. Any little girl aware of this “mystery” will feel that her body is to be modestly clothed, so that its secret will be hidden from lewd looks. > **["Letter to a Young Girl" by Dr. Alice Von Hildebrand](https://www.priestsforlife.org/resources/vonhildebrandletter.aspx)** > > "Letter to a Young Girl" by Dr. Alice Von Hildebrand ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2010, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archbishop-compares-criticisms-of-pope-to-jesus-sufferings/534289/139 "2010-04-07T12:58:59Z")
> [@editor of Catholic World Report](#): > > And wasn’t it just last year that these enlightened protectors of children assembled at the golden coffin of Michael Jackson to pay their last respects? Where was the outrage about child corruption then?..So why is Benedict held to a higher standard than John Paul II? The real outrage is that the Pope is held to a higher standard than Michael Jackson, or maybe that Jackson got a golden coffin when the Vatican is restricted to objects of clay and wood. ---
**Author:** ![Anne\_Neville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Anne\_Neville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anne_Neville)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2010, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archbishop-compares-criticisms-of-pope-to-jesus-sufferings/534289/140 "2010-04-07T13:16:42Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > I’m pretty sure that where he’s going with that is that a modern liberal can’t be a real Catholic. But does the Pope put sugar on his porridge? > [@BrightNShiny](#): > > I guess being opposed to child abuse makes you a modern liberal? So we liberals can say now that anybody who opposes abortion and same-sex marriage must be in favor of child molestation and cover-ups of child molestation? 🆒 > [@Paul in Qatar](#): > > I am old enough to remember when day-care centers were centers of Satanic child abuse. I recall recovered memory testimony that destroyed families. There need to be protections for people, including priests, who are accused of molesting children, just like there need to be protections for people accused of all crimes. But those protections shouldn’t be so strong that no priest can ever be punished by the civil authorities for molesting children. > [@Jackmannii](#): > > The real outrage is that the Pope is held to a higher standard than Michael Jackson But if you’re not going to be held to a higher moral standard than Michael Jackson, you also don’t get more moral authority than Michael Jackson. You can’t have it both ways. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archbishop-compares-criticisms-of-pope-to-jesus-sufferings/534289.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archbishop-compares-criticisms-of-pope-to-jesus-sufferings/534289.md?page=8)