# Archer Season 4 thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 16, 2013, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archer-season-4-thread/650519 "2013-02-16T18:02:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![moriah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b2d939/32.png) [@moriah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/moriah)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2013, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archer-season-4-thread/650519/121 "2013-04-06T03:34:50Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > I love how Sterling is Rain Man-esque in his ability to convert units of measurement. I like the running gag: “How do you know that?” “How do you _not_ know that?” Especially since it’s used both for common knowledge and extremely esoteric knowledge. ---
**Author:** ![magnusblitz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@magnusblitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magnusblitz)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2013, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archer-season-4-thread/650519/122 "2013-04-08T04:08:25Z")
I’ve liked a lot of the episodes this season so far, but I hated this one. Jokes weren’t as good, too much “everyone’s here for no reason” trope again. But I think the main reason is that Cheryl just doesn’t click for me as anything more than a one-liner character - she’s just too illogical and crazy. Forcing the whole episode around her just makes the plot stupid and illogical, like her. Cecil wasn’t anything special either, and the whole plot twist/reveal was really clunky. ---
**Author:** ![pancakes3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ba9def/32.png) [@pancakes3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pancakes3)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2013, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archer-season-4-thread/650519/123 "2013-04-08T04:20:17Z")
I think there was a lot not to like, but individually those gripes are trivial so it’s hard to make a cogent argument as to why it was bad. Things like: the voices of cecil and his gf not matching their characters very well, all the regulars only hitting jokes that have now become expected of them with no real clever twists of funny lines (all call-backs, no new gags), nothing happened in this episode (I suspect the finale will be much better), odd pacing… ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2013, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archer-season-4-thread/650519/124 "2013-04-08T18:15:39Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > So, Archer and Sealab 2021 take place in the same universe. > > Who knew? That’s the first thing I thought of. The second was that Sterling would fit right in with the cult of Alvis. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2013, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archer-season-4-thread/650519/125 "2013-04-09T13:18:06Z")
Hesh + Cheryl. This needs to happen. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2013, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archer-season-4-thread/650519/126 "2013-04-09T13:27:34Z")
The Sea Tunt has missiles tipped with VX gas? Could this be the beginning of the Great Spice War? ---
**Author:** ![President\_Johnny\_Gentle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5f9b8f/32.png) [@President\_Johnny\_Gentle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/President_Johnny_Gentle)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2013, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archer-season-4-thread/650519/127 "2013-04-09T13:44:51Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > So, Archer and Sealab 2021 take place in the same universe. > > Who knew? Not tremendously surprising, since it’s already been established that Frisky Dingo and Archer take place in the same universe. ---
**Author:** ![RandMcnally](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b782af/32.png) [@RandMcnally](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RandMcnally)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2013, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archer-season-4-thread/650519/128 "2013-04-09T14:42:18Z")
> [@President\_Johnny\_Gentle](#): > > Not tremendously surprising, since it’s already been established that Frisky Dingo and Archer take place in the same universe. I did not know that. ---
**Author:** ![President\_Johnny\_Gentle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5f9b8f/32.png) [@President\_Johnny\_Gentle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/President_Johnny_Gentle)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2013, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archer-season-4-thread/650519/129 "2013-04-09T15:01:13Z")
> [@RandMcnally](#): > > I did not know that. Mr. Ford (Killface’s campaign pollster from Frisky Dingo) is the one who ends up with Archer’s birthday car at the end of “Drift Problem” in Season 3. ---
**Author:** ![Anonymous\_Coward](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/94ad74/32.png) [@Anonymous\_Coward](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anonymous_Coward)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2013, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archer-season-4-thread/650519/130 "2013-04-09T16:04:09Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Yeah, I thought Woodhouse’s voice sounded off, too. Is it a new actor? Didn’t see this answered. The actor is the same but he’s 84 years old so I’m going to give him a break on the whole consistency thing. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2013, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archer-season-4-thread/650519/131 "2013-04-09T17:49:55Z")
> [@Anonymous\_Coward](#): > > Didn’t see this answered. The actor is the same but he’s 84 years old so I’m going to give him a break on the whole consistency thing. [IMDB says it was the same actor.](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2665268/) ---
**Author:** ![sparky\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/77aa72/32.png) [@sparky\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sparky_1)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2013, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archer-season-4-thread/650519/132 "2013-04-09T21:47:01Z")
I thought the episode was tedious and not enjoyable. Some of the characters are just too over the top now, and as such it no longer works for me. Like Pam and the tofu. How was that funny? How did that help the plot? They needed to get into the cockpit, yet that arc was resolved without her. Just dumb. Why was Ray painting Cyril’s face? That wasn’t funny either. So Cheryl really is crazy now, or not? The show used to have somewhat grounded secondary characters that would do stupid things, then the plot would evolve. Now it seems they have ridiculous characters who do ridiculous things, but wait, ridiculous characters do do ridiculous things. This whole season has sucked. ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2013, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archer-season-4-thread/650519/133 "2013-04-09T23:50:18Z")
You think the characters were grounded in the first season? If anything, I think they’ve gotten slightly less insane as the show has gone on. ---
**Author:** ![sparky\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/77aa72/32.png) [@sparky\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sparky_1)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archer-season-4-thread/650519/134 "2013-04-12T11:49:06Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > You think the characters were grounded in the first season? If anything, I think they’ve gotten slightly less insane as the show has gone on. The secondary characters were more grounded and seemed to have realistic motivations for their actions. Now, they’re all way over the top, and not in a good way. I watched half of the new episode. Haven’t laughed yet. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archer-season-4-thread/650519/135 "2013-04-12T12:02:19Z")
> [@sparky\_1](#): > > Why was Ray painting Cyril’s face? That wasn’t funny either. Because he looked “fierce”! ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archer-season-4-thread/650519/136 "2013-04-12T14:21:46Z")
I wasn’t in love this week but since it was the second half of an episode I wasn’t in love with last week, that was to be expected. The other week, I caught a radio interview with the woman who voices Lana (whose name just left my mind) and she said this was the first season pulling in real ratings. It was previously a “cult hit” – nice way of saying no one was watching – but is now the #2 rated show in the 19-35 demographic after The Walking Dead. Season 5 is well underway towards completion. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archer-season-4-thread/650519/137 "2013-04-12T15:40:35Z")
Since they tied in Sealab 2021 (It was all in Murphy’s head all along!), I hope they can tie in Frisky Dingo. ---
**Author:** ![magnusblitz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@magnusblitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magnusblitz)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archer-season-4-thread/650519/138 "2013-04-12T16:44:43Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > You think the characters were grounded in the first season? If anything, I think they’ve gotten slightly less insane as the show has gone on. Mallory’s definitely become less competent, but the secondary characters (especially Cheryl) have definitely become less grounded. I like this week’s episode a lot more than the last; probably because it had less Cheryl/Cheryl’s brother/Cheryl’s brother’s girlfriend (Kristen Schaal’s voice makes me want to poke my eardrums out) and the plot was a lot simpler after the non-sensical one last week. ---
**Author:** ![sparky\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/77aa72/32.png) [@sparky\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sparky_1)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archer-season-4-thread/650519/139 "2013-04-13T00:58:13Z")
I just finished the episode. It really turned around once they got on Sea Lab. I actually really enjoyed it. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archer-season-4-thread/650519/140 "2013-04-13T01:29:09Z")
> [@sparky\_1](#): > > I just finished the episode. It really turned around once they got on Sea Lab. I actually really enjoyed it. This wasn’t my favorite one (I liked part 1 better), but the last four or five episodes have been–to me–a return to form. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archer-season-4-thread/650519.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archer-season-4-thread/650519.md?page=8)