# Archer TV show - what the ever lovin'....? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 17, 2015, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archer-tv-show-what-the-ever-lovin/725411 "2015-07-17T13:21:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![sparky\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/77aa72/32.png) [@sparky\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sparky_1)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archer-tv-show-what-the-ever-lovin/725411/41 "2015-07-17T16:10:10Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > He complains about his shirt smelling like curry and mocks the dry cleaner owner’s outfit, I believe. Then he walks into the main ISIS office and the receptionist complains about the smell of curry after he leaves. Or something. It’s been a while since I watched it. > > Skytanic. Don’t give up on Archer yet. Just watch Skytanic and if you still think it’s horrible then it’s horrible. But I love skytanic so so much. Yep. I watched Skytanic all those years ago and was hooked. Unfortunately, the show after Season 3 has been unwatchable. But Seasons 1, 2 & 3 are fantastic! ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archer-tv-show-what-the-ever-lovin/725411/42 "2015-07-17T16:13:29Z")
> [@don\_t\_ask](#): > > Whenever I see people talking about what a great sense of humor they have and how they generally love some brand of humor BUT this example isn’t funny I am reminded of a comment by a friend off mine. He’s been dead for some years now but was a comedy writer/producer/performer. He once remarked, “It’s easy to say you have a good sense of humor but if you can’t laugh at a good joke about something you believe in devoutly, you haven’t.” But this is just a generally silly comment. Just because I can’t laugh about _everything_ doesn’t mean I laugh about _nothing_! Plus I think the operative words in that phrase are “good joke”. Subjective. That being said, I have no problem if people want to make this into an Archer appreciation thread. See, I have no problem when _other_ people like something I don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Debillw3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3bc359/32.png) [@Debillw3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debillw3)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archer-tv-show-what-the-ever-lovin/725411/43 "2015-07-17T16:16:20Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > Just because I can’t laugh about _everything_ doesn’t mean I laugh about _nothing_! That’s not what they said. They said you can’t claim to have a “great sense of humor”, yet only laugh when something doesn’t have anything to do with you. It’s not a direct response to what you said, just a related comment. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archer-tv-show-what-the-ever-lovin/725411/44 "2015-07-17T16:18:52Z")
> [@Debillw3](#): > > That’s not what they said. > > They said you can’t claim to have a “great sense of humor”, yet only laugh when something doesn’t have anything to do with you. > > It’s not a direct response to what you said, just a related comment. > [@me](#): > > And, I do watch and laugh at some jokes about Indians, but mostly ones made by Indians. And I can claim I have a pretty good sense of humor. I don’t think I ever made the claim I have a great sense of humor. This kind of comment is always trotted out whenever someone doesn’t find something funny: “Oh, but if you had a sense of humor you’d like it!” I admit, I am made uncomfortable when white people make jokes about my ethnicity. I don’t see why this is a problem. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archer-tv-show-what-the-ever-lovin/725411/45 "2015-07-17T16:21:41Z")
> [@Debillw3](#): > > They said you can’t claim to have a “great sense of humor”, yet only laugh when something doesn’t have anything to do with you. Depends on the joke. A black person might be less inclined to laugh at “Boy, black folk sure do love watermelon, don’t they? MAMMY!” than at “You freaked out when I said quadroon!” **Anaamika’s** complaint about the curry joke seemed to be not only “This is about my culture” but also that it was lazy and overdone. ---
**Author:** ![Debillw3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3bc359/32.png) [@Debillw3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debillw3)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archer-tv-show-what-the-ever-lovin/725411/46 "2015-07-17T16:27:20Z")
Since people seemed to miss it the first time (I’m not even the one who said it!): > [@Debillw3](#): > > It’s not a direct response to what you said, just a related comment. ---
**Author:** ![control-z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/eada6e/32.png) [@control-z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/control-z)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archer-tv-show-what-the-ever-lovin/725411/47 "2015-07-17T16:40:27Z")
If an Indian makes a joke about Americans grilling smelly beef hamburgers on their patio every night should I be offended? Or should I just recognize that humor is almost always at the expense of someone and much of humor is based on the differences between people? ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archer-tv-show-what-the-ever-lovin/725411/48 "2015-07-17T16:51:22Z")
OK, I understand that everyone here is trying to help, but if someone watches _Skytanic_ without watching\* Skorpio \*first, they’re losing a huge chunk of the funny. The recommendation should be to watch both and if you don’t like it, then give up. I realize that some people may feel like I’m due change for my two cents, but there it is. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archer-tv-show-what-the-ever-lovin/725411/49 "2015-07-17T16:53:47Z")
> [@control-z](#): > > If an Indian makes a joke about Americans grilling smelly beef hamburgers on their patio every night should I be offended? This would be the “punching up” versus “punching down” argument when making jokes. ---
**Author:** ![sparky\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/77aa72/32.png) [@sparky\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sparky_1)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archer-tv-show-what-the-ever-lovin/725411/50 "2015-07-17T17:06:41Z")
Watch ‘Placebo Effect’ (Season 2, Episode 9). If you don’t find that episode funny, then it’s just not for you. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archer-tv-show-what-the-ever-lovin/725411/51 "2015-07-17T17:30:02Z")
I tried to watch Archer, but I can’t get past Ben Katz’s voice coming out of his mouth. ---
**Author:** ![ExTank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@ExTank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ExTank)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archer-tv-show-what-the-ever-lovin/725411/52 "2015-07-17T17:33:17Z")
> [@leftfield6](#): > > Archer skewers every single racial, religious, geographic, and cultural group out there. Asians, Latin Americans, Jewish, Catholic, Islamic, Hindu, southerners, homosexuals, women, etc. Especially women. > > But the shows biggest target? IMHO, I think its privileged white Americans. No matter what he _says_ about another group, no one comes off looking worse than Archer himself. He holds a mirror up to white Americans in a way that makes me want to say, “that’s not me, is it?” > > I love the Archie Bunker comparison. Archer is a modern, animated version of Archie. Maybe Archer/Archie was an intentional thing. This! So much this! The ethnic/racial/sexists jokes aren’t at the expense of those groups; it’s at the expense of the upper-crust privileged white people, like Sterling and Mallory Archer. Basically, if you’re not an upper class New York/East Coast WASP like them, you’re in for it. And they’ve cracked on the Irish, English, French, Germans, and Italians just as much as any other non-white group of people. ---
**Author:** ![Whiskey\_Dickens](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/9fc348/32.png) [@Whiskey\_Dickens](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whiskey_Dickens)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archer-tv-show-what-the-ever-lovin/725411/53 "2015-07-17T17:54:21Z")
I am more than a little offended by the term “East Indian.” I would appreciate it if the term was just shortened to the more acceptable “Indian.” “East Indian” harks back to a hate-filled time when Native Americans were called “Indians.” ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archer-tv-show-what-the-ever-lovin/725411/54 "2015-07-17T18:03:36Z")
> [@Whiskey\_Dickens](#): > > “East Indian” harks back to a hate-filled time when Native Americans were called “Indians.” Most Native Americans I’ve known ( and I’ve known a fair few, we had an AI studies program at my university and I knew some Blackfoot folks growing up ) if they weren’t being referred to by their tribe, seemed to prefer being called Indians or American Indians over Native Americans. _shrug_ I always rather liked the unambiguous _Amerindian_ myself, but hardly anyone seems to have adopted that one. As for **Archer** - love it, particularly for its use of the word crepuscular :D. But, yes - Archer the character is a monumental ass about virtually all things, though gradually humanizing by the tiniest baby-steps ever over the course of several seasons. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archer-tv-show-what-the-ever-lovin/725411/55 "2015-07-17T18:11:45Z")
My husband generally has to watch “Archer” when I’m not in the room because I very quickly grew tired of the vomiting sound effects. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archer-tv-show-what-the-ever-lovin/725411/56 "2015-07-17T18:13:16Z")
> [@Whiskey\_Dickens](#): > > I am more than a little offended by the term “East Indian.” I would appreciate it if the term was just shortened to the more acceptable “Indian.” > > “East Indian” harks back to a hate-filled time when Native Americans were called “Indians.” They still are, and many don’t mind. It’s not like anyone is clamoring to rename the [Bureau of Indian Affairs](http://www.bia.gov/WhoWeAre/BIA/) like they are the Washington Redskins. And people from the [West Indies](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Indies) consider themselves West Indians. In my area, you might be surprised how many times someone says they want Indian food and they mean West Indian, not East Indian, cuisine. So be offended away all you want, but it can be a necessary clarification. Just because the bull is offended by the red shirt doesn’t mean I’ll stop wearing red shirts.\* Some things a person or small group of people take offense too get to nitpicky to really care about. P.S. I’m ~1/4 (a little less than that, but good enough for rounding purposes) Cherokee, on my mother’s side. My family has no beef with Indian. Or Native American. Or, at least among family and when one of us gets sunburned, Redskin. \*I’ll stop wearing them because it means I’ll die when I get sent on away missions ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archer-tv-show-what-the-ever-lovin/725411/57 "2015-07-17T18:16:31Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > Somebody tell me why I, as an American of E. Indian descent, should put up with curry jokes and somehow think they are fucking funny. It must really suck to only have access to one tv show to watch. I guess I as an American of American descent am just too privileged to really understand. > [@](#): > > Do people not realize all my life I’ve heard this stupid ass jokes and they are no funnier than they are now than they were when I was a child? Of course the creators of the show understand that. They’ve been spying on you since you were a child and you must have done something to annoy them for them to create this show just to piss you off. > [@](#): > > Disappointed - I had heard it was funny. Well now you know all those people who told you it was funny are racist assholes. That’s good to know. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archer-tv-show-what-the-ever-lovin/725411/58 "2015-07-17T18:34:50Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > I understand what you guys are saying, that Archer is supposed to be the butt of the jokes. But how many people get that and how many people just watch him because he is racist? > > But that’s by-the-by. I don’t want the show removed from existence or anything. 🙂 I just thought it was absolutely terrible. > > **Inner Stickler** , I don’t use the pressure cooker either. It just cooks it faster. Here’s a similar recipe for a cast iron skillet: > > [Shalgam Ki Subzi](http://curryandbeyond.blogspot.com/2013/02/shalgam-aur-mutter-ki-subzi-turnip-and.html) > > I usually use a steel pan and it works out fine. I’m not a big fan of nonstick pans for Indian cooking; steel works better, but WATCH THE HEAT. To be honest, I didn’t like the show the first time I saw it, either. It took a few episodes for me to start appreciating it. And it can still be hit-or-miss with me sometimes. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archer-tv-show-what-the-ever-lovin/725411/59 "2015-07-17T18:46:39Z")
Say what you will about Archer, but he was spot-on with his Margarita comment. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archer-tv-show-what-the-ever-lovin/725411/60 "2015-07-17T18:52:09Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > It must really suck to only have access to one tv show to watch. I guess I as an American of American descent am just too privileged to really understand. > > Of course the creators of the show understand that. They’ve been spying on you since you were a child and you must have done something to annoy them for them to create this show just to piss you off. > > Well now you know all those people who told you it was funny are racist assholes. That’s good to know. You seem really worried about people’s opinions on Archer, man. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archer-tv-show-what-the-ever-lovin/725411.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/archer-tv-show-what-the-ever-lovin/725411.md?page=4)