# Are accusations of raicsm/sexism/bigotry abused? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 14, 2018, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-accusations-of-raicsm-sexism-bigotry-abused/821332 "2018-09-14T12:26:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2018, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-accusations-of-raicsm-sexism-bigotry-abused/821332/101 "2018-09-23T21:18:39Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > You mean all the “shut-up-and-wait” stuff that didn’t work before? I’m not familiar with the term quoted above. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2018, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-accusations-of-raicsm-sexism-bigotry-abused/821332/102 "2018-09-23T22:39:05Z")
> [@etasyde](#): > > If you read the context of the quotes (from this board), that’s what’s happening. > How did you read this as anything else? How do you read it as being about anyone who disagrees with Clinton? It specifically refers to “their candidate.” It very clearly is about Sanders supporters, and not just anyone who criticizes Clinton. I criticized Clinton a lot. I was never called a Bernie Bro. And, heck, I actually said I preferred Sanders over Clinton. What I didn’t do is act like the Bernie Bro and glorify Sanders while attacking Clinton. I actually got that, despite their differences, both were on the same side. I didn’t, however, engage in the conspiracy rhetoric. I made sure my criticisms were constructive criticisms. I recognized that Clinton was the favorite to win, and accepted that. I focused my ire on Trump, not someone on the same side. And I sure as hell didn’t threaten to vote for Trump if Sanders lost. Or say I’d sit out the election and not try to stop him. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2018, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-accusations-of-raicsm-sexism-bigotry-abused/821332/103 "2018-09-23T22:44:51Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > I’m not familiar with the term quoted above. Maybe you’re familiar with “Shut Up And Dribble”? How about “Don’t Be So Uppity”? ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2018, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-accusations-of-raicsm-sexism-bigotry-abused/821332/104 "2018-09-23T23:02:42Z")
> [@Mr.Nylock](#): > > Oh, so there is a consensus among “experts” on this issue? I never knew. I presume this is snark. But that means you’re not interested in actually debating the topic. And that would be pointless. So I will instead respond like it’s not snark. Yes, there a fairly broad consensus. It doesn’t take much to notice. White people saying the n-word? Generally considered racist. Yet you said your friends were debating that. Seems they aren’t representative. Where there is debate is stuff like whether merely mentioning the word (without using it) is acceptable. And there’s also some debate on whether “nigger” and “nigga” are the same word, with some people saying that the latter is sometimes okay but the former is never okay. You were claiming liberals don’t pay attention to what black people say about racism. But black people are the ones basically calling the shots on anti-black racism. Who started BLM? It wasn’t white people. My position on what is and isn’t racism against black people is pretty much entirely informed by black people. And other liberals on this board have said similar. You attacked our positions not based on what they are, but on whether we were listening to black people. So that is my response. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2018, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-accusations-of-raicsm-sexism-bigotry-abused/821332/105 "2018-09-23T23:30:12Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Maybe you’re familiar with “Shut Up And Dribble”? How about “Don’t Be So Uppity”? I’m confused. This sounds like the historically condescending attitudes from some in the white community towards those in black communities that are speaking out against racism. While related, it’s not the issue I was discussing. It’s not exclusively black Americans who are trying to spread awareness of white privilege, there are significant portions of white America doing so as well. It is this combined group that I referred to when suggesting that a less accusatory, confrontational strategy be adopted in order to most effectively reach the goals of those of us wishing to ultimately dismantle “white privilege”. Your replies would only be relevant if I was speaking exclusively to the black communities. Which i certainly am not. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Nylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/77aa72/32.png) [@Mr.Nylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Nylock)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-accusations-of-raicsm-sexism-bigotry-abused/821332/106 "2018-09-24T00:39:11Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I presume this is snark. But that means you’re not interested in actually debating the topic. And that would be pointless. The idea that there even is such a thing as “expert” in matters such as this is absurd on its face - it’s not a point I want to debate here and now, but if it’s something you want to go back and forth on, like when we’re bored and battling insomnia in the wee hours of the morning and have nothing to do but argue subtle points about the meaning of various things I might still be up. Some nights I’m not sleeping so well other nights I’m out, it’s hard to predict. > [@](#): > > So I will instead respond like it’s not snark. Yes, there a fairly broad consensus. It doesn’t take much to notice. White people saying the n-word? Generally considered racist. Yet you said your friends were debating that. Seems they aren’t representative. Thank you for taking the time to respond to my thoughts in a serious way; I mean this sincerely. Some of my responses to you, may seem pedantic at first blush, however, I believe you are misrepresenting what I say by using words that are distinctly different, with subtle yet important differences in meaning. The first thing I want to correct is that I did not say friends, they are coworkers. I think this is important. If these were friends I would not bothered to post in this thread - I would not feel that I have anything relevant enough to even bother writing about. Why is this distinction important? I believe it matters because in this situation we are not choosing to be in each others company, we are required to work alongside each other day in day out because we have the required skill to do the work that needs to be done. The relevance to this is that this interaction over the years has put me into contact with opinions and ideas distinctly broader and more complex than what I see expressed by my friends (I have a mix of minority and non-minority friends). > [@](#): > > Where there is debate is stuff like whether merely mentioning the word (without using it) is acceptable. And there’s also some debate on whether “nigger” and “nigga” are the same word, with some people saying that the latter is sometimes okay but the former is never okay. This is nothing close to what I said. There is and has been considerable debate about the appropriate use of these and other racial slurs, none of what I said should lead you to the conclusion that this is what any or all of it was about. Jumping to this conclusion only indicates that you rarely have these kinds of conversations. > [@](#): > > You were claiming liberals don’t pay attention to what black people say about racism. But black people are the ones basically calling the shots on anti-black racism. Who started BLM? It wasn’t white people. Again, I never said liberals in any of my analysis; once more you are inserting words that I did not use. Why is this significant? I believe that OP is describing a broad problem that does not necessarily fit into neat categories of political affiliation. Also, saying I said liberal you are ascribing a level of partisanship to my analysis I find odious. Implying that BLM is calling the shots on on anti-black racism, with the assumption that it is highly regarded by an overwhelming majority of black people is just another type of stereotyping in my opinion. Beyond that, is a decentralized newly formed movement such as BLM really equipped to flesh out all these more subtle matters of usage and context. > [@](#): > > You attacked our positions not based on what they are, but on whether we were listening to black people. So that is my response. The OP isn’t necessarily about positions, it is about reactions and feelings. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-accusations-of-raicsm-sexism-bigotry-abused/821332/107 "2018-09-24T13:09:04Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > I’m confused. This sounds like the historically condescending attitudes from some in the white community towards those in black communities that are speaking out against racism. While related, it’s not the issue I was discussing. It’s not exclusively black Americans who are trying to spread awareness of white privilege, there are significant portions of white America doing so as well. It is this combined group that I referred to when suggesting that a less accusatory, confrontational strategy be adopted in order to most effectively reach the goals of those of us wishing to ultimately dismantle “white privilege”. Your replies would only be relevant if I was speaking exclusively to the black communities. Which i certainly am not. No, it’s still relevant - I’m saying this is just an extension of that same “change only at the pace the \*privileged \*are most comfortable with” attitude to both the Blacks and their allies (as was the case in the days of Civil Rights too). ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-accusations-of-raicsm-sexism-bigotry-abused/821332/108 "2018-09-28T14:34:31Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > With regards to BLM, **Damuri Ajashi** , I’ve referenced statistics that dispute your 3x number – specifically, the Pro Publica report (linked multiple times – I can find it again if someone needs it) that found that young black men were 21 times more likely to be shot by police than young white men, though the criminal differences were far, far smaller, and you ignored it. So it’s not a question of data vs anecdotes – it’s different data and different understandings of the facts. There is NO dispute about my 3x number its statistical FACT based on the admittedly incomplete but still statistically relevant data we have. The statistics you derive from incomplete data (all data suffers from this but particularly incomplete data) becomes less and less reliable the more you parse it. The article you link is parsing the data to the point where the sample size is losing its statistical significance. This is bad science. The article you link tries to derive conclusions based on 40 shootings over a 3 year period. By that rationale the ONE shooting of one Asian child under 14 makes Asian males under 14 are 3 times more likely to be shot and killed than white males under 14. Your statistics are not statistically relevant. No other data is presented in the article. There may very well be a systemic cops problem but the gross data does not point to a race problem and trying to reach conclusions from data that is not collected to determine your particular hypothesis means that you are not correcting for reasonable variables. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-accusations-of-raicsm-sexism-bigotry-abused/821332/109 "2018-09-28T15:00:05Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > These posts bring up an important point. It involves asking what the ultimate goals are of those who bandy about such terms and phrases as “if you are white you are racist” or “white fragility” or for the sake of this discussion, even “white privilege”. Ostensibly, the goal is to spread awareness of widespread, systematic and institutional racism, from which every single white American derives some level of benefit. So if the goal is to raise awareness which leads to personal introspection and ultimately, hopefully, long-term change, it seems to me these rhetorical devices are an extremely ineffecient, even self-sabotaging means to achieving those goals. > > This is because the people most in need of enlightenment in re to these issues are not going to be receptive to a message that from the outset labels _them_ as a racist. Or even of having some sort of “privilege” not granted to minorities. The reality is, if you are genuinely interested in reaching those people who are most in the dark-and not just trying to shame them and thus elevate yourself, you need to approach and frame the issues in a decidely not-so-hostile, accusatory manner. I mean, how well has the current method been at affecting anything but closing minds? > > ETA: I want to be clear, I do not dispute the validity of the terms or phrases I mentioned. I meant that _in the context_ of spreading awareness and sparking introspection, they seem decidely wrong-headed. I think that the terms white privilege and white fragility could not have been better designed to close minds. At least with “white privilege” it sort of tracks what the term is trying convey. White fragility OTOH is not very descriptive of the sort of racial defensiveness that some white people have when discussing race. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-accusations-of-raicsm-sexism-bigotry-abused/821332/110 "2018-09-28T15:07:09Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > You mean all the “shut-up-and-wait” stuff that didn’t work before? Yes. That is exactly what he means. :rolleyes: You realize that this is a democracy and white people account for about 75% of all voters. You can’t just shout them into silence and then assume that your shouting will convince them to vote your way. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-accusations-of-raicsm-sexism-bigotry-abused/821332/111 "2018-09-28T15:15:36Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > No, it’s still relevant - I’m saying this is just an extension of that same “change only at the pace the \*privileged \*are most comfortable with” attitude to both the Blacks and their allies (as was the case in the days of Civil Rights too). This attitude is indeed very critical race theory. They are somewhat critical of the civil rights movement for moving at the fastest pace that white people would allow. There is a reason for that. White people were an even larger majority then. They couldn’t demand anything that they couldn’t convince the majority to give them. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-accusations-of-raicsm-sexism-bigotry-abused/821332/112 "2018-09-28T16:06:12Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I think that the terms white privilege and white fragility could not have been better designed to close minds. At least with “white privilege” it sort of tracks what the term is trying convey. White fragility OTOH is not very descriptive of the sort of racial defensiveness that some white people have when discussing race. “Minds closing” at the use of the term “white fragility” is pretty much the fucking definition of “white fragility”. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-accusations-of-raicsm-sexism-bigotry-abused/821332/113 "2018-09-28T16:50:10Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > There is NO dispute about my 3x number its statistical FACT based on the admittedly incomplete but still statistically relevant data we have. The statistics you derive from incomplete data (all data suffers from this but particularly incomplete data) becomes less and less reliable the more you parse it. > > The article you link is parsing the data to the point where the sample size is losing its statistical significance. This is bad science. > > The article you link tries to derive conclusions based on 40 shootings over a 3 year period. By that rationale the ONE shooting of one Asian child under 14 makes Asian males under 14 are 3 times more likely to be shot and killed than white males under 14. Your statistics are not statistically relevant. No other data is presented in the article. > > There may very well be a systemic cops problem but the gross data does not point to a race problem and trying to reach conclusions from data that is not collected to determine your particular hypothesis means that you are not correcting for reasonable variables. Here’s the ProPublica report: > **[Deadly Force, in Black and White](https://www.propublica.org/article/deadly-force-in-black-and-white)** > > A ProPublica analysis of killings by police shows outsize risk for young black males. It makes its conclusions based on analyzing over 1200 shootings over a 3 year period. So I’m not sure what you’re talking about. It analyzed the limited federal data available for police shootings. ---
**Author:** ![fedman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/278dde/32.png) [@fedman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fedman)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 8:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-accusations-of-raicsm-sexism-bigotry-abused/821332/114 "2018-10-01T08:22:58Z")
> [@JB99](#): > > While I think racism and sexism should be called out MORE often, the problem is that (A) nobody wants to admit to being racist and (B) people have different definitions for how ‘racism’ or ‘sexism’ is defined. > > First, literally everyone holds some level of racist/sexist ideas, even if only implicitly. But the rhetoric is such that if a person says something impolite or ignorant, we immediately jump to saying “This person _is_ a racist,” which is synonymous with “evil.” The assumption that ‘racist = evil’ causes people to shut down and avoid critically examining their behavior. Since no one wants to admit to being racist and the rhetoric against accused racists is so vitriolic, we have big obstacles that prevent understanding and actually improving people’s behavior. > > The second half is that many people assume that you are only ‘racist’ if you are ‘_a_ racist,’ in the sense that racists are people who wear white hoods. Explicit, overt racism/sexism is their threshold. Another definition I’ve heard is that “racism” is only when the powerful group exercises their power over the minority group. (This definition implies it is impossible for anyone to be racist against white people.) > > At the same time, there is another extreme that girl’s accusations of racism over practically any trivial thing. If a white person wear dreadlocks, that’s racism. If a white girl wears a Chinese dress, that’s racism. I once had someone tell me I was “racist” because I didn’t like the depiction of sexualized underage girls in Asian pop culture. I once had someone tell me I was a “bigot” because I remarked that a fictional character’s sexual orientation was not relevant to the plot of a story. > > I want to be sympathetic, but it’s really hard when people hurl accusations of racism over the most inconsequential chickenshit. I suspect the problem would be easier to solve if we could come to some common consensus on what “racism” and “sexism” actually means. what is left out is Jews claiming 'anti-Semitism" whenever a Jewish person is accused of something, like Crown Heights hit and run murder (more ironic is calling semitic arabs anti-Semitic) ---
**Author:** ![fedman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/278dde/32.png) [@fedman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fedman)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-accusations-of-raicsm-sexism-bigotry-abused/821332/115 "2018-10-01T08:30:54Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Okay, so the question “has anyone ever used accusations of racism/sexism/bigotry to dodge/win a debate?” is fucking trivial. Of course they have. It’s a thing, just like saying “Well, you’re a woman, so obviously I win this debate” is a thing. My problem is that people blow it _way the fuck out of proportion_. There is an entire cottage industry on the right acting like political correctness is strangling public discourse. As if the biggest concern for anyone who is worried about free speech absolutely must be the people who use accusations of racism/sexism/bigotry to shut down speech they don’t like. > > And it _works_. It’s the core of Trump’s message. The list of right-wing shitheads who have made a career on youtube by complaining these people - often [just one or two shitheads on twitter](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l63nY0AYebI) - is staggering. Most of the republican message these days, to the degree that it’s effective, is either about guns, abortion, or “sticking it to the SJWs”. > > (Seriously, this is a really instructive case - one or two people on Twitter said they were a bit uncomfortable about the jokes in the Doom Eternal trailer, and [there are _dozens_ of videos taking the piss out of those handful of tweets](https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=doom+eternal+sjw). Some of them have hundreds of thousands of views. This sort of intentional exaggeration is, in my experience, _far_ more common than actual cases of people shutting down debate by shouting “bigot”.) > > This shit _works_. It allows reactionary right-wing douchebags to effectively turn free speech into a wedge issue, acting as though anyone who supports social justice is anti-free-speech, or supports the actions of any given idiot who says something stupid on twitter. And in doing so, they amplify the voices who _do_ inappropriately yell “sexist/racist/bigot” _far_ beyond their normal reach. They nutpick, which leads to people believing this is a common problem, rather than a very rare one. > > This is why I have a problem with the way this debate is framed. but you’re ignoring the left-wing censorship of other (read non-pc) viewpoints via protests on campuses and inside academia ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-accusations-of-raicsm-sexism-bigotry-abused/821332/116 "2018-10-01T14:00:46Z")
> [@fedman](#): > > but you’re ignoring the left-wing censorship of other (read non-pc) viewpoints via protests on campuses and inside academia Ever heard the phrase about reaping what you sew? I agree the lefties on college campuses totally make the case for conservatives. Consider white people told to stay off campus at Evergreen: [https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2018/02/22/evergreen-state-cancels-day-absence-set-series-protests-and-controversies](https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2018/02/22/evergreen-state-cancels-day-absence-set-series-protests-and-controversies) White people told not to walk across Berkeley. [https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/24/berkeley-protesters-form-human-chain-stop-white-st/](https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/24/berkeley-protesters-form-human-chain-stop-white-st/) Georgetown telling white students to not attend an event: [Georgetown Students Host Community Dialogue on Racism, Ask White Allies Not to Attend](https://reason.com/blog/2018/05/18/georgetown-students-no-white-allies) Why dont truly open minded liberals stop this crap? Instead we get “well now you know how we feel” crap. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-accusations-of-raicsm-sexism-bigotry-abused/821332/117 "2018-10-01T14:09:24Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Georgetown telling white students to not attend an event: [Georgetown Students Host Community Dialogue on Racism, Ask White Allies Not to Attend](https://reason.com/blog/2018/05/18/georgetown-students-no-white-allies) Not sure what you are reading, but I don’t see in that article where “Georgetown” was telling white students to not attend an event. Looks like the event organizers were telling them. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-accusations-of-raicsm-sexism-bigotry-abused/821332/118 "2018-10-01T14:22:47Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > You realize that this is a democracy and white people account for about 75% of all voters. You can’t just shout them into silence and then assume that your shouting will convince them to vote your way. I’m not trying to convince anyone to _vote_ away discrimination in broader society. At least, not the same people who currently maintain it by their inaction. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > This attitude is indeed very critical race theory. You say that like it’s a bad thing… > [@](#): > > They are somewhat critical of the civil rights movement for moving at the fastest pace that white people would allow. There is a reason for that. Yes. I believe it’s called “white fragility” Of course, that didn’t make it a _good_ reason. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-accusations-of-raicsm-sexism-bigotry-abused/821332/119 "2018-10-01T16:06:16Z")
> [@fedman](#): > > but you’re ignoring the left-wing censorship of other (read non-pc) viewpoints via protests on campuses and inside academia Have you ever _been_ on a campus? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-accusations-of-raicsm-sexism-bigotry-abused/821332/120 "2018-10-01T16:22:52Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Consider white people told to stay off campus at Evergreen: [https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2018/02/22/evergreen-state-cancels-day-absence-set-series-protests-and-controversies](https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2018/02/22/evergreen-state-cancels-day-absence-set-series-protests-and-controversies) Consider that in the sense that I consider the Sword of Shannara novels–i.e., poorly-written fantasy? Or consider that in the sense that it’s a pernicious falsehood propagated by right-wing pundits looking to smear the left? I certainly can’t consider that in the sense that I consider real things that actually happened, because white people were NOT told to stay off campus at Evergreen. I’m a little bewildered at your repetition of this objective nonsense, given that I’ve copiously cited debunking articles in the past. If I thought it’d make any difference, I’d cite them again. BPC’s theory–that small events by tiny minorities of leftists are twisted by right-wing pundits in order to fool conservatives like UrbanRedneck who don’t take the time to vet their sources–seems ever more accurate. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-accusations-of-raicsm-sexism-bigotry-abused/821332.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-accusations-of-raicsm-sexism-bigotry-abused/821332.md?page=7)