# Are accusations of raicsm/sexism/bigotry abused? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 14, 2018, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-accusations-of-raicsm-sexism-bigotry-abused/821332 "2018-09-14T12:26:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-accusations-of-raicsm-sexism-bigotry-abused/821332/161 "2018-10-03T21:31:52Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > So with that in mind, do you support privatizing University of Mississippi? 🙂 Can you even freaking read or do you just go around implying things? Where did I ask for the schools to be privatized? I’m just saying maybe do not let the lunatics run the asylum. Have rules. Enforce them. Back when I was in college at KU we had all kinds of looney demonstrations and such but we as students, still hand to do our homework and pass our exams. Now back to my question - how will the left deal with the real situation of cameras being everywhere and the actions of leftist students getting broadcasted? Here is an idea. Start being proactive and being adults. For example in [THIS](https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=31&v=oS3Afp7nVdU) video posted recently of a pro Kavanaugh demonstration at the University of Texas and their signs getting ripped up. This time an actual adult (Dean of Students) steps in to tell the idiot leftist to stop the attacks and remind students of free speech rules. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-accusations-of-raicsm-sexism-bigotry-abused/821332/162 "2018-10-04T10:28:02Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Can you even freaking read or do you just go around implying things? There’s a certain bitter irony here. Let’s see if anyone else can spot it; I’m on my phone which makes going through strings of quotes obnoxious. In the meanwhile, if you’d like to actually respond to my point, I’d love to hear it. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 10:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-accusations-of-raicsm-sexism-bigotry-abused/821332/163 "2018-10-04T10:30:20Z")
Actually never mind, it’s really easy. > [@](#): > > Should that college get reprimanded and even lose state funding? Well that is taxpayer money isnt it? Dont ALL the taxpayers in the state deserve a say so on how their tax money is spent? This is why tax money doesnt go to private, religious based schools. :rolleyes: I’m reading what you wrote and responding to it. Please, do me the same courtesy. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 10:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-accusations-of-raicsm-sexism-bigotry-abused/821332/164 "2018-10-04T10:43:01Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > I’m just saying maybe do not let the lunatics run the asylum. Have rules. Enforce them. Back when I was in college at KU we had all kinds of looney demonstrations and such but we as students, still hand to do our homework and pass our exams. Oh! Well that’s all right then. We had to turn in our homework and pass our exams at Evergreen, too. And I betcha that at your school, students complained about homework, too. And guess what? Evergreen has rules, and they’re enforced. The problem is that you don’t like how they were enforced. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-accusations-of-raicsm-sexism-bigotry-abused/821332/165 "2018-10-04T11:14:51Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Yes, and it works fucking beautifully if what you are trying to achieve is electing Donald Trump president, losign both houses of congress, losing the majority of governor’s mansions and state legislatures and dealing with a shift in the Supreme Court. Yes, the reason that all those white supremacists, neo-Nazis, homophobes and misogynists voted for Trump was because Hillary called them a bad name. Otherwise they would have been totally open to voting for Democrats. Yes, that makes complete sense. I mean, Trump and other Republicans poured out a steady stream of abuse that dwarfed anything the Democrats said but no, Hillary is the bad guy here. And never mind that the right-wing has dedicated decades to building a massive propaganda machine, including multiple mass media networks, pumping out lies and slander against Democrats and the left. Never mind the vast coordinating disenfranchisement and voter suppression efforts by the right under the guise of “preventing voter fraud” despite evidence of actual voter fraud being infinitesimal (and frequently carried out by Republicans themselves. Never mind the known foreign interference with the US elections, happily facilitated by many, many high level Republicans themselves, including the systematic dismantlement of security and oversight of electronic voting systems. Never mind organizations like ALEC which have been effectively writing legislation at all levels of government designed to skew the system in their favor in return for paying off their pet politicians to sponsor whatever bills they’re handed (sometimes without even reading them). No, what’s important is that we can blame the Democrats for everything. Because that’s totally a rational conclusion to come to. Admittedly it has fuck-all to do with the original point, but one should never miss an opportunity to blame Hillary and the Democrats just on principle. Seriously, dude, the argument you’re making is that white fragility is not just a real thing but is actually a significant factor in how the right make their voting decisions, and that in fact they are a bunch of… what’s the word? oh yes… snowflakes who have to be shielded from reality lest they lash out in some brainstem-driven fury of petty retaliation that will ultimately harm them in a variety of ways but which will briefly allow them to feel all smug and superior. Is that the argument you \*\*wanted \*\*to make? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-accusations-of-raicsm-sexism-bigotry-abused/821332/166 "2018-10-04T11:17:21Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Do you understand the difference between “isolated incident” and “indicative of politics as a whole”? You can’t take one isolated incident, point to another isolated incident, and say, “this is representative of typical politics in the US”. It isn’t even indicative of a movement! It depends on how many of them involve singing the chorus of “Alice’s Restaurant”. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-accusations-of-raicsm-sexism-bigotry-abused/821332/167 "2018-10-04T11:43:43Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > It doesn’t make the claim that black 15-19 year old boys are 21 times more likely to be shot that 15-19 year old white boys based on 1200 shootings of 15-19 year old boys. It is using a data set of 1200 shootings but that includes ALL shootings for which they have data. They are reaching this statistical conclusion based on a few dozen shootings. A few dozen? Where in the link does it say that? I’m pretty sure you’re looking at the wrong paragraph. There’s one paragraph about shootings of teens under 14 that refers to 41 shootings, but that has nothing to do with the numbers for shootings of boys age 15-19 between 2010 and 2012, which is where the 21 times ratio comes from. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-accusations-of-raicsm-sexism-bigotry-abused/821332/168 "2018-10-04T20:26:13Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Protests are themselves a form of free speech. They cannot be a form of censorship. When those protests are used to shout down dissent or to pressure others to censor, then it is a form of censorship. Don’t you think it is a form of censorship when you protest a speaker and demand that your college ban them from speaking on campus? Or is that just more speech? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-accusations-of-raicsm-sexism-bigotry-abused/821332/169 "2018-10-04T20:41:14Z")
> [@rat\_avatar](#): > > In an attempt to move these discussions forward I want to expand on this. > > Cognitive dissonance or the mental discomfort of finding out a fact that you were not aware of and provides a conflict with two beliefs or moral views is not uncommon. > > _Privilege_ is _NOT AN INSULT_ but call feel like one or yes sometimes used as one, just as the term _ignorance_ is. We are not omniscient, we simply are mostly ignorant, and _privilege_ is one example as a case where that is often true. > > Unless you believe you are some type of omniscient god to not take insult to someone pointing out that there are ideas and information that you may just not have experienced. And check your pride when you assume that you some how _know how someone else feels_. > > Fragility is also a pretty good term for what happens with ‘white fragility’ or in other types. Where a person, even due to no fault of their own, have no possibility of knowing some information but also lack the ability to talk about the subject. > > Both of these terms _even if they are used as an insult_ do not need to be taken as an insult. If you want to de-weaponize them you have a choice to do so by just refusing to view them as an insult and address the topic at hand. > > The crux is if you just ignore it or show it down with irrelevant counter examples you are not addressing it. And yes people will get pissed off and frustrated by this and to be honest even if you simply ignore it you are adding to the problem. > > When a person says “Political candidate _X_ is causing problem _Y_” returning with “Well political candidate _A_ also caused problem _Y_ or problem _Z_ two decades ago” does nothing to solve problem _Y_. > > People are justifiably frustrated with problem _Y_ never being honestly discussed and problem _Y_ will never be solved. As the discussion is about problem _Y_ and not problem _Z_ it is not useful to focus on problem _Z_ at the same time even if it is important. > > If you are concerned that the terms _white privilege_ and _white fragility_ are weaponized you have the power to disarm them. You can do so by simply choosing to not taking it personally, not trying to shift the blame, and staying on topic. Bullshit. Its one thing to use the terms White privilege and white fragility with someone who already understands what those terms mean but those terms are provocative when used with someone who doesn’t know what it means. They are invented terms and it is unreasonable to expect people to react to them based on the meaning given to them by race scholars. I could just start making up terms like Liberal Ignorance to mean a fairly innocuous phenomenon where the term ignorance might reasonably be applied and Feminist Castrator to refer to elements of feminism that go overboard in trying to confront “toxic masculinity” but they would be a bad place to start a conversation. > [@](#): > > If someone said “I think you are stepping on my foot” you do not solve that problem by saying that “well Bill Clinton stepped on this other persons foot” you simply look at your own foot and see if it is true. But you aren;t saying something as simple as “you are stepping on my foot” you are making up a term (say foot rape) and accusing me of it. > [@](#): > > If you practice this a few times and work through the discomfort it will become painfully obvious how childish and unnecessary your previous response was. The use of terms like white privilege and white fragility are unnecessarily provocative and it seems deliberately so. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-accusations-of-raicsm-sexism-bigotry-abused/821332/170 "2018-10-04T20:49:27Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Of course you do. Only piss-poor democracies are tyrannies of the majority with no judicial checks and balances. > Patience and education of the next generation, usually. Shouting and stamping your feet is none of those things. > [@](#): > > A _cancer_, you don’t say? > > Anyway, exclusive reliance on supposed “reasonable, rational thought” is highly overrated, especially when its underlying assumptions, like _whiteness_, are never questioned. Classic critical race theory. Logic and reason are only useful to the extent that they can be used to justify YOUR positions. When they work against you, then they are flawed.:dubious: > [@](#): > > Hell, here you’ll find people[arguing how rational the Nazis were](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21245710&postcount=22). That’s what prizing rationality _über alles_ gets you. Well then, we might as well shut this whole site down. After allAmerican society is like the Nazis so we have to ignore logic and reason.:smack: > [@](#): > > Pre-Civil Rights America (the era we were specifically discussing there) was not a democracy in anything but name, any more than Apartheid-era South Africa was. But it was, that’s why the civil rights movement worked. It wouldn’t have worked in a tyranny. > [@](#): > > History shows that’s not \*entirely \*the case. I’ll go with the percentages on this one. People think that critical race theorists are a joke at best and harmful to society at worst. It is based on ignoring logic and reason in favor of anecdote and subjective feelings. > [@](#): > > … for the fragile Whites. For the oppressed PoCs, not so much. When has that ever been the case? Minorities throwing tantrums without convincing the majority that there is a problem to begin with hasn’t worked well anywhere, ever. > [@](#): > > Here, try an experiment - put “democracy” in one hand, and shit in the other, and tell me which gets filled first… wtf are you talking about? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-accusations-of-raicsm-sexism-bigotry-abused/821332/171 "2018-10-04T20:55:56Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Yes, the reason that all those white supremacists, neo-Nazis, homophobes and misogynists voted for Trump was because Hillary called them a bad name. Otherwise they would have been totally open to voting for Democrats. Yes, that makes complete sense. I mean, Trump and other Republicans poured out a steady stream of abuse that dwarfed anything the Democrats said but no, Hillary is the bad guy here. You think Trump won with the votes of nazis, white suprememcists, homophobes and misogynists? You don’t think anyone else voted for him? Were these nazis the same folks that told pollsters they wouldn’t vote for trump but then went and voted for Trump? Trump need more than Nazis to win and you gave them to him. Good job. > [@](#): > > And never mind that the right-wing has dedicated decades to building a massive propaganda machine, including multiple mass media networks, pumping out lies and slander against Democrats and the left. And the left does the same to the right. This isn’t merely both sides do it. its simply partisan politics. > [@](#): > > Never mind the vast coordinating disenfranchisement and voter suppression efforts by the right under the guise of “preventing voter fraud” despite evidence of actual voter fraud being infinitesimal (and frequently carried out by Republicans themselves. Boy, I’m glad that wasn’t there when we elected a black man… TWICE!!! > [@](#): > > Never mind the known foreign interference with the US elections, happily facilitated by many, many high level Republicans themselves, including the systematic dismantlement of security and oversight of electronic voting systems. Never mind organizations like ALEC which have been effectively writing legislation at all levels of government designed to skew the system in their favor in return for paying off their pet politicians to sponsor whatever bills they’re handed (sometimes without even reading them). No, what’s important is that we can blame the Democrats for everything. Because that’s totally a rational conclusion to come to. Admittedly it has fuck-all to do with the original point, but one should never miss an opportunity to blame Hillary and the Democrats just on principle. > > Seriously, dude, the argument you’re making is that white fragility is not just a real thing but is actually a significant factor in how the right make their voting decisions, and that in fact they are a bunch of… what’s the word? oh yes… snowflakes who have to be shielded from reality lest they lash out in some brainstem-driven fury of petty retaliation that will ultimately harm them in a variety of ways but which will briefly allow them to feel all smug and superior. Is that the argument you \*\*wanted \*\*to make? Yes. And you should stop poking the bear. It serves no useful purpose other than give the speaker the psychic gratification of being able to say shitty things under the guise of saying non-shitty things. You should stop vilifying people for being white. You should stop using language that is prima facie offensive and then retreat to say "well the meaning of that offensive phrase is actually not offensive if you had read the scholarly article on the kneejerk reaction white people (and really everyone) has when confronted with their own privilege or bias. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-accusations-of-raicsm-sexism-bigotry-abused/821332/172 "2018-10-04T20:57:39Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > A few dozen? Where in the link does it say that? I’m pretty sure you’re looking at the wrong paragraph. There’s one paragraph about shootings of teens under 14 that refers to 41 shootings, but that has nothing to do with the numbers for shootings of boys age 15-19 between 2010 and 2012, which is where the 21 times ratio comes from. Math. If using the same kill ratio on white boys would result in 185 white boys shot over 3 years you get a number somewhere in the dozens. I think. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-accusations-of-raicsm-sexism-bigotry-abused/821332/173 "2018-10-04T21:04:07Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Math. > > If using the same kill ratio on white boys would result in 185 white boys shot over 3 years you get a number somewhere in the dozens. I think. Somehow I’m unconvinced by this very vague non-calculation. But if you don’t want to go further, that’s fine. The most damning statistic to me is that 50% of black people report that they personally have been mistreated by police, as compared to only 3% of white people. Unless you believe that black people are less honest or accurate than white people, then this is indicative of a very significant problem with the way law enforcement treats black people. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2018, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-accusations-of-raicsm-sexism-bigotry-abused/821332/174 "2018-10-05T02:59:09Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Somehow I’m unconvinced by this very vague non-calculation. There is a calculation that can be made based on the fact that the article says that if young white males were killed by cops at the same rate as young black males then there would be 185 dead white boys. There are about 5 times as many young white males as young black males. 20% of 185 is about 37 young black males that have been killed by police over 3 years. In which time about 9 white boys have been killed by police (185/21). Now take into account things like poverty and gang activity and that 21 multiplier you are using starts to look less and less meaningful. This is not hard math. Almost all simple multiplication and division. > [@](#): > > But if you don’t want to go further, that’s fine. The most damning statistic to me is that 50% of black people report that they personally have been mistreated by police, as compared to only 3% of white people. Unless you believe that black people are less honest or accurate than white people, then this is indicative of a very significant problem with the way law enforcement treats black people. The same study that said that cops don’t shoot black people more frequently than white people also said that cops harass black people more than they harass white people. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2018, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-accusations-of-raicsm-sexism-bigotry-abused/821332/175 "2018-10-05T12:09:18Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > There is a calculation that can be made based on the fact that the article says that if young white males were killed by cops at the same rate as young black males then there would be 185 dead white boys. There are about 5 times as many young white males as young black males. 20% of 185 is about 37 young black males that have been killed by police over 3 years. In which time about 9 white boys have been killed by police (185/21). Now take into account things like poverty and gang activity and that 21 multiplier you are using starts to look less and less meaningful. > > This is not hard math. Almost all simple multiplication and division. > > The same study that said that cops don’t shoot black people more frequently than white people also said that cops harass black people more than they harass white people. Okay, assuming your calculations are valid, now show me the statistical analysis that says that this sample size is too small to be valid and provide useful information for the populations we’re talking about. I’ve taken a statistics class, but it’s been a long time. If you don’t think that ProPublica’s statistical analysis is valid, you’ll have to prove it if you want to convince anyone. From my reading, their analysis is good math and in line with good statistical and probabilistic practices - they even give their confidence levels (that it’s really between ten and forty times different). If you feel differently, show me why. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2018, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-accusations-of-raicsm-sexism-bigotry-abused/821332/176 "2018-10-05T13:21:37Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > You think Trump won with the votes of nazis, white suprememcists, homophobes and misogynists? You don’t think anyone else voted for him? Were these nazis the same folks that told pollsters they wouldn’t vote for trump but then went and voted for Trump? Trump need more than Nazis to win and you gave them to him. Good job. You just can’t stop yourself. “It’s the Democrats’ fault Republicans keep nominating and electing deeply corrupt politicians!” Seriously, does this “It’s your fault for not stopping us from doing evil” argument work anywhere outside Spider-Man comics? > [@](#): > > And the left does the same to the right. No it doesn’t - not to the scale, breadth, frequency, or level of consequence that the right do it, with a difference of several orders of magnitude. Oh, the right _claim_ that the left do it… but where on the left are the major news networks who directly coordinated talking points with the Obama White House? Where are the national television syndicates forcing their news anchors to broadcast - and often read directly - pre-prepared leftist propaganda as part of their news bulletins? Where are left-wing equivalents of ALEC? Where are the Democrats deliberately restricting access to voting booths in Republican-leaning areas? Until you can answer those, you don’t get to claim that it’s all just business as usual. > [@](#): > > This isn’t merely both sides do it. its simply partisan politics. Got it - this isn’t merely “both sides do it”, it’s “both sides do it”. > [@](#): > > Boy, I’m glad that wasn’t there when we elected a black man… TWICE!!! I like how you think that’s an argument. Seriously. Did that make sense in your head? Also, are you now aware that the massive ramping up of the disenfranchisement and voter suppression efforts is specifically _because_ we elected a black Democrat twice? > [@](#): > > Yes. And you should stop poking the bear. It serves no useful purpose other than give the speaker the psychic gratification of being able to say shitty things under the guise of saying non-shitty things. Setting aside which of us is engaging in “the psychic gratification of being able to say shitty things under the guise of saying non-shitty things”, I thought right-wingers liked people who “tell it like it is”? Who were plain-speaking and open and honest about the Way Things Are? But now you say this sort of thing is “poking the bear.” Are you telling me that Democrats instead should start lying more? That they should deliberately engage in massive misinformation campaigns designed to dupe the voting public? That they should keep repeating lies over and over again no matter how often they are debunked until people just automatically believe them without thinking? I mean, that seems to me to be what you’re arguing. > [@](#): > > You should stop vilifying people for being white. Again, this is less a “thing that is actually happening” and more a “deliberate right-wing misrepresentation of left-wing positions against racism”. I know this has been pointed out to you before - why do you keep repeating it? > [@](#): > > You should stop using language that is prima facie offensive and then retreat to say "well the meaning of that offensive phrase is actually not offensive if you had read the scholarly article on the kneejerk reaction white people (and really everyone) has when confronted with their own privilege or bias. I’ll stop doing that once it gets translated into 1) English and 2) reality. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2018, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-accusations-of-raicsm-sexism-bigotry-abused/821332/177 "2018-10-05T19:39:46Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Oh! Well that’s all right then. We had to turn in our homework and pass our exams at Evergreen, too. And I betcha that at your school, students complained about homework, too. > > And guess what? Evergreen has rules, and they’re enforced. The problem is that you don’t like how they were enforced. You know, you might rethink your constant praise about Evergreen, According to[THIS](http://mynorthwest.com/1112819/rantz-evergreen-state-college-hit-with-catastrophic-enrollment-crisis/?)their freshmen class this year will be about 350 students. Thats right. The school whos current enrollment is about 3100 students, if things dont change could quickly drop to less than 1500. Their high point was in 2010 when enrollment was 4500. It’s also interesting that the article said Evergreen was the only college in Washington which is losing students or not losing them anywhere near as bad. So maybe cutting funding DOES make sense. After all the funding was based on the school having about 4,000 students.If enrollment drops the states money could better be spent at other colleges. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-accusations-of-raicsm-sexism-bigotry-abused/821332/178 "2018-10-08T13:30:03Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Shouting and stamping your feet is none of those things. “Shouting and stamping your feet” is your own characterization of a movement that actually does far more than that. > [@](#): > > Classic critical race theory. Logic and reason are only useful to the extent that they can be used to justify YOUR positions. When they work against you, then they are flawed.:dubious: No, logic and reason are only one tool in a set of them. And not the only, or even most important, tool, people not being robots and all. And only as good as their underlying axioms. > [@](#): > > Well then, we might as well shut this whole site down. Naah, I’m OK with keeping the Cafe. > [@](#): > > After allAmerican society is like the Nazis [Well…](https://thumbor.forbes.com/thumbor/960x0/https%3A%2F%2Fblogs-images.forbes.com%2Fdrsarahbond%2Ffiles%2F2017%2F08%2FGettyImages-830617832-1200x800.jpg) > [@](#): > > so we have to ignore logic and reason.:smack: You can quote where I said “ignore”, as opposed to “not prize above all else”, right? > [@](#): > > But it was, that’s why the civil rights movement worked. It wouldn’t have worked in a tyranny. :dubious:several civil rights movements have succeeded in tyrannies. This is just American exceptionalism. > [@](#): > > People think that critical race theorists are a joke at best and harmful to society at worst. “People are saying…” is a piss-poor argument. > [@](#): > > It is based on ignoring logic and reason in favor of anecdote and subjective feelings. Naah. It’s just based on not buying into the bullshit axioms that pass for “reasoning” in the existing discourse. Like the assumption of the validity of whiteness. > [@](#): > > When has that ever been the case? Minorities throwing tantrums without convincing the majority that there is a problem to begin with hasn’t worked well anywhere, ever. Worked well enough here for 50 years. > [@](#): > > wtf are you talking about? I thought you prized logic and reason - doesn’t that include empiricism? I’m just proposing a concrete experiment for you to try. Let us know how it goes… ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2018, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-accusations-of-raicsm-sexism-bigotry-abused/821332/179 "2018-10-08T14:01:24Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > You know, you might rethink your constant praise about Evergreen, According to[THIS](http://mynorthwest.com/1112819/rantz-evergreen-state-college-hit-with-catastrophic-enrollment-crisis/?)their freshmen class this year will be about 350 students. Thats right. The school whos current enrollment is about 3100 students, if things dont change could quickly drop to less than 1500. Their high point was in 2010 when enrollment was 4500. > > It’s also interesting that the article said Evergreen was the only college in Washington which is losing students or not losing them anywhere near as bad. > > So maybe cutting funding DOES make sense. After all the funding was based on the school having about 4,000 students.If enrollment drops the states money could better be spent at other colleges. Yeah it turns out constant nonstop vilification can have an effect on an institution, especially a relatively small one. Go figure! This doesn’t exactly hurt my case about right-wing manufactured blowback being far more significant than any actual perceived events at these colleges, mind you… ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-accusations-of-raicsm-sexism-bigotry-abused/821332/180 "2018-10-09T11:37:12Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > You know, you might rethink your constant praise about Evergreen, According to[THIS](http://mynorthwest.com/1112819/rantz-evergreen-state-college-hit-with-catastrophic-enrollment-crisis/?)their freshmen class this year will be about 350 students. Thats right. The school whos current enrollment is about 3100 students, if things dont change could quickly drop to less than 1500. Their high point was in 2010 when enrollment was 4500. > > It’s also interesting that the article said Evergreen was the only college in Washington which is losing students or not losing them anywhere near as bad. > > So maybe cutting funding DOES make sense. After all the funding was based on the school having about 4,000 students.If enrollment drops the states money could better be spent at other colleges. What an absurd post. First, you’re citing some hardcore rightwing talk radio twit, not a legitimate news source. Second, even if his numbers are entirely accurate, this is a non sequitur: your criticisms of Evergreen are in no way supported by the allegation that enrollment is down. Enrollment may be down because of a successful smear campaign against them by people who use dishonest misrepresentations of the school. Please tell me you’re ashamed of posting such absurdities. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-accusations-of-raicsm-sexism-bigotry-abused/821332.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-accusations-of-raicsm-sexism-bigotry-abused/821332.md?page=10)