Did anyone at all read what I said?
I said “unemployed for months on end.”
Obviously this was not you. Also, obviously, you didn’t REEK of desperation or skills atrophy (another thing I mentioned) when you went looking for another job.
We always do have our resume up to date and published or at least the wiser ones do. There is no problem doing that in my field. It can still take months to get a new one though. These are fairly high paying jobs that companies are looking for a specific fit for. You could get hired the next day or it could take 6 months. If you are making 100K a year, it is a bad idea for lots of reasons to take a job at half that just because it is the first thing that pops up. That is the way that game is played but I doubt you know much about that.
Heaven forbid you would consider hiring someone who is desperate for a job.
Your skills don’t atrophy while you’re unemployed, do they?
I did previously bring that up for a reason.
Yes, of course they do but they come back within days as well. You can relearn things a lot more quickly than you can the first time. That takes a time-scale longer than a few months though. It is a risk you take. If you do pass up a job at half your previous salary soon after you become unemployed, you may find it hard to get even that again if you wait to long. The first goal is to get something similar to what you already had but you can adjust downward later if job market changes really can’t support what you had before. It gets a lot harder the more you make but it is the same principle for anyone. Someone making 30K a year with others to support couldn’t easily switch over to minimum wage making about half that either without drastic lifestyle changes and true poverty.
I have done this stuff a bunch of times myself over the past 14 years and helped many others as well. If you would like to learn more about the basic concepts, I am sure that I can help and many others probably can too.
I know the basic concepts. I just see it as being unwise to be caught in that situation in the first place.
You beat it by networking and keeping up your connections BEFORE you get fired; as in, throughout the course of your employment.
If you see the likelihood that no job prospects will be available if you get fired then it’s time to retrain for something else in your free time.
That’s undoubtedly true in 2011. But as Dr. Karl Widerquist of the USBIG Network says, “we must not mistake a current political mood for the permanent political reality.”
FWIW, Dr. Widerquist is no idiot; I’ve known him for 25 years.
The reason you don’t get fired from Primerica is that like any other MLM, they don’t give a shit if you don’t sell anything because they don’t have to pay you.
You seem sort of clueless as to how the business world works outside of your little world of independent selling. But in order to create the products that you sell requires teams of people working together. Not every job can be performed by independent contractors. Frequently as the needs of the company change, positions will be eliminated regardless of your performance.
While you can’t always control if you are laid off, I would agree that you should constantly keep your skills and connections up to date and be aware of what’s happening in your industry.
You’re repeating me here.
Yeah, I’m clueless enough to know that you should always keep your skills and connections up to date and be aware of whether you should be prepared to hop to a new company or find new skills to move to another industry.
I may not know nuttin’ but I know how to survive.
I just want to preserve this for all time. Face it, Roark, you’re gonna be one of them one day. Probably when you’re old and helpless.
Damn your eyes! I spent two years and thousands of dollars in an MBA program to learn that. Now you’re here giving it away and devaluing the MBA degree.
I think you’re missing my point. I’ve asked you several times and you seem to be ignoring the question. If the market is such that no one is hiring employees, what makes you think there is a market for people selling Primerica insurance or pre-paid legal or Cutco knives or pills or whatever other crap? Especially since those companies seem to have at least a 99% dropout rate. Based on their own numbers, the average Primerica rep only earns $5,000 a year. Unemployment pays more.
I don’t expect that you will provide an answer other than more MLM brainwashed bullshit.
Big deal. So does a monkey.:rolleyes:
And the monkey, being a social animal, survives because of other monkeys.
Incorrect premise. We’re not in a situation where no one is hiring employees. Businesses are always hiring somewhere in America. If we’re ever in that situation you’ve got a lot worse things to worry about than 16 million people without a job.
I guess you’ll want a cite as to how many employers hired people 1-2 months ago. Because you believe, sincerely, that no one is hiring employees. :rolleyes:
Oh and yes, they may or may not have laid off more than they hired, or there might be more people looking for jobs than there are people being hired, but that’s also not what you said.
There are 16 million unemployed people who need food and shelter. And with the Government nanny state providing them unemployment welfare, you most certainly have opportunities to serve that populace.
Bullshit, heh. This coming from the guy who says no one is hiring employees.
Now that I’ve answered your question why don’t you answer my question… if you can’t find a job and you can’t start your own business, what are you to do? Be a drain on society? Is that all you can come up with?
You didn’t really answer my question. And I didn’t say “no one is hiring employees” and actually if you scroll further up thread I posted a link to Inc magazines list of 5000 companies that are actually growing.
The fact of the matter is that companies are hiring a lot fewer employees and starting your own business is not necessarily an option for a lot of people. It is not even a sensible option in many cases.
But, yes, if you need work, you have to go about getting it any way you can.
This is so completely true.
I knew a guy once that worked in operations. One day he realized there were going to be layoffs, but he adapted, this is how he did it:
The next morning he parked in the CEO’s parking spot (he had to get in pretty early to do this)
Then he went into the CEO’s office and starting taking phone calls and answering email
From that day on HE WAS THE CEO.
This is an example of a true blue American Patriot ™ that makes me proud. Anything less is not even worth discussing.
Americans are the most productive workers in the world.
This whole meme that rich people work for what they have therefore poor people are lazy is so much bullshit.
Back in 2000 the unemployment rate dipped below 4% (which, IIRC, is about as low as it will ever get since there are always some out-of-work people for various reasons…there is no 0% unemployment).
Clearly Americans will work given the chance. Doubtless there are some layabouts happy to sponge off the government but they are the exception and not the rule.