# Are Americans losing it with Muslims? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [December 28, 2015, 10:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-americans-losing-it-with-muslims/741553 "2015-12-28T10:25:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2016, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-americans-losing-it-with-muslims/741553/481 "2016-01-03T18:04:29Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > and read what I wrote. Jesus never dictated the New Testament. You stated it yourself LUKE 19:27. Golf clap moment for the day comes courtesty of Magiver’s insightful post there. Congratulations on pointing out that the gospels are narrated by the disciples. Now, either you believe Christians think that the bible is a pile of shite, or you have to acknowledge that Christianity requires the gospels to be accurate accounts of what Jesus said. Otherwise, it’s one hell of a fucking religion we’re talking about here. You’ve got people arguing the first book doesn’t count, and others arguing the second isn’t valid either. And yet they’re usually the very same people who claim that the Koran has to be taken at express face value. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2016, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-americans-losing-it-with-muslims/741553/482 "2016-01-03T18:25:09Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > Luke 19:27 is not a quote from Jesus saying “Kill all my enemies.” It’s the last line from the parable of the talents, and the quote comes from a character Jesus has made up, not from Jesus himself. For starters old son, Parable of Talents would be Matthew. It’s the Parable of the Ten Minas. And the fact is that 1/3 of the teachings Christians received from Christ come via parables, so dismissing their teachings as something “Jesus has made up” makes another mockery of the religion really. “[The Parables of Jesus](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parables_of_Jesus) can be found in all the canonical gospels, and in some of the non-canonical gospels, but are located mainly within the three synoptic gospels. They represent a key part of the teachings of Jesus, forming approximately one third of his recorded teachings. Christians place high emphasis on these parables; since they are the words of Jesus, they are believed to be what the Father has taught, indicated by John 8:28 and 14:10” It’s a particularly self-deprecating defense of a religion this. “The first book is a pile of crap, and the second book is just hearsay about some stuff Jesus made up” I appreciate it does mean you can pretty much deny any bad stuff that people might point out from the bible, but really it does require that the whole belief system should be dismissed as farcical, and I suspect some of its followers would object to that. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2016, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-americans-losing-it-with-muslims/741553/483 "2016-01-03T18:33:59Z")
It is the special world of the ever moving goal posts and pretended reasoning… ---
**Author:** ![T.M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ad7895/32.png) [@T.M](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/T.M)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2016, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-americans-losing-it-with-muslims/741553/484 "2016-01-03T19:10:55Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > It is the special world of the ever moving goal posts and pretended reasoning… It is definitely looking that way buddy ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2016, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-americans-losing-it-with-muslims/741553/485 "2016-01-03T19:13:31Z")
Indeed, we await new flights of the fancy and assertions without proofs like about special rules for muslims and banks… ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2016, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-americans-losing-it-with-muslims/741553/486 "2016-01-03T19:24:29Z")
> [@Tithonus](#): > > If a Jihadist ever got his hands on a nuclear weapon, why would he refrain from launching it? He’s not afraid to die, any innocents he kills will go to heaven, and anyone else will just rot in hell where they belong. It’s a perfect thinking trap, and it is one which can be credibly supported by certain Islamic doctrines. I disagree with this. Suicide bombing is a privilege, strictly reserved for the underclass. Nobody of importance or rank is going to be going on any suicide missions. Which is why, it doesn’t matter who has nuclear weapons, nobody of importance is going to have the balls to launch a nuclear weapon, because to do so, they will effectively be killing themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2016, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-americans-losing-it-with-muslims/741553/487 "2016-01-03T19:37:08Z")
Correct. But these kinds of analyses are the same kinds that used to swallow whole and believe naively the propaganda of the Communists as wholly true and used to make almost identical assertoins about the Enemy Other of that day, the Communists othered as the instructable asiatic russians and the chineses. ---
**Author:** ![T.M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ad7895/32.png) [@T.M](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/T.M)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2016, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-americans-losing-it-with-muslims/741553/488 "2016-01-03T20:20:23Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > Indeed, we await new flights of the fancy and assertions without proofs like about special rules for muslims and banks… If you think that is a flight of fancy a Muslim woman in the Post Office ask for I.D. which she produced but was not asked to reveal her face. It gets even better at Gatwick North Terminal a Muslim woman went through security showing just her passport but not asked to reveal her face. This I have seen with my own two eyes, I am not having a dig at Muslims I am having a go at the micro minded pc brigade who are not Muslims but feel they should be deeply offended on behalf of all Muslims. They have also in some parts of the U.K. Changed the name of Christmas to Winter Festival so as not to offend the Muslims, Thankfully the Muslims rebelled and demanded Christmas back. It is true but no proof ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2016, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-americans-losing-it-with-muslims/741553/489 "2016-01-03T20:21:57Z")
I am sure we can all have great confidence in your assertions, due to your great intellect and society membership. All reliable narrators are like this. ---
**Author:** ![T.M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ad7895/32.png) [@T.M](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/T.M)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2016, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-americans-losing-it-with-muslims/741553/490 "2016-01-03T20:25:47Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > I disagree with this. Suicide bombing is a privilege, strictly reserved for the underclass. Nobody of importance or rank is going to be going on any suicide missions. Which is why, it doesn’t matter who has nuclear weapons, nobody of importance is going to have the balls to launch a nuclear weapon, because to do so, they will effectively be killing themselves. Your very humble and lowly Muslim walks into the City of London with a dirty bomb and his well educated posh friend uses his mobile phone from a safe distance to detonate it ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2016, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-americans-losing-it-with-muslims/741553/491 "2016-01-03T20:46:55Z")
> [@T.M](#): > > The so called form of full Islamic dress does not have its roots in Islam but from a tribe in North Africa (Southern Sahara) where it is practical in protection from the sun during the day and frosts of a night and also very practical during sand storms. > [@T.M](#): > > Islam like many religions have picked up a few customs along the way > > Where am I getting this from an ex-Muslim This by the way is completely false (it appears a confusion about the Taureq), but is an illustration of the high-quality of the pub-wisdom-facts that is behind these postings. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2016, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-americans-losing-it-with-muslims/741553/492 "2016-01-03T20:58:52Z")
> [@T.M](#): > > Your very humble and lowly Muslim walks into the City of London with a dirty bomb and his well educated posh friend uses his mobile phone from a safe distance to detonate it I was speaking more to an Islamist nation launching such a weapon. Your scenario holds true to ANY terrorist organization. It’s not exclusive to Muslims. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2016, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-americans-losing-it-with-muslims/741553/493 "2016-01-03T21:05:01Z")
> [@T.M](#): > > If you think that is a flight of fancy a Muslim woman in the Post Office ask for I.D. which she produced but was not asked to reveal her face. It gets even better at Gatwick North Terminal a Muslim woman went through security showing just her passport but not asked to reveal her face. This I have seen with my own two eyes, I am not having a dig at Muslims I am having a go at the micro minded pc brigade who are not Muslims but feel they should be deeply offended on behalf of all Muslims. They have also in some parts of the U.K. Changed the name of Christmas to Winter Festival so as not to offend the Muslims, Thankfully the Muslims rebelled and demanded Christmas back. > > It is true but no proof No proof mainly because it’s either untrue, misleading or nonsense. In the UK I’ve picked up goods from the post office using my wife’s ID, and I’m pretty sure I don’t look like her. Here’s the [Royal Mail’s guidelines](http://www.royalmail.com/personal/help-and-support/Ive-received-a-Something-for-you-card): > [@](#): > > Please ensure you take with you: The ‘Something for you’ card or ‘Fee to Pay’ card > > AND One of the following, **in the name of the person the item is addressed to** So the fact they couldn’t see her face has bugger all to do with it. Depending on where your lady at Gatwick was going to she may well not have had to show her face, because for a domestic flight some airlines don’t need photo proof of ID at all. [BMI for example state quite clearly:](http://www.bmiregional.com/travel/identification-documents/) > [@](#): > > For all travel with bmi regional on domestic flights, all customers are required to produce ID at both check-in and at the boarding gate. Passengers on domestic flights **are not required to produce photographic ID.** And as for Winterval, that portmantaue was coined back in the 90s by councils who wanted to do winter events and promotions, mainly so it covered a much greater time period than just christmas day itself: > [@](#): > > The name “Winterval” was a portmanteau of winter and festival, coined by the Council’s Head of Events, Mike Chubb.[3] In October 2008 he explained:[3] > > ``` > Quite simply, as head of events at that time, we needed a vehicle which could cover the marketing of a whole season of events... Diwali (the Festival of Lights), Christmas Lights switch-on, BBC Children in Need, Aston Hall by Candlelight, Chinese New Year, New Year's Eve, etc. Also, a season that included theatre shows, an open-air ice-rink, the Frankfurt Open-air Christmas Market and the Christmas seasonal retail offer. Christmas—called Christmas!—and its celebration lay at the heart of Winterval. > > ``` So by all means blame the ongoing commercialization of Christmas, but it has fuck all to do with political correctness, muslim demands or revolts. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2016, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-americans-losing-it-with-muslims/741553/494 "2016-01-03T22:22:05Z")
Armed insurrectionists have seized a federal compound in the USA, because in the words of their leader Ammon Bundy “The Lord was not pleased.” Are they Muslims? No. They are Christian terrorists. [Militia Group Takes Over Federal Building in Eastern Oregon Because "The Lord Was Not Pleased"](http://www.wweek.com/2016/01/02/militia-group-takes-over-federal-building-in-eastern-oregon-because-the-lord-was-not-pleased/) As Bundy follower John Ritzheimer says: “It’s real simple, Dwight: Do you want to die in prison, labeled as a terrorist by these oppressors? Or do you want to die out here with us, as a free man? I want to die a free man.” Ritzheimer is a Christian who makes a habit of harassing Muslims: “Fuck you Muslims. We’re gonna stop at virtually every mosque along the way, flip them off and tell them to get f-----,” and racking the slide on a handgun while he spews his venom. [EXCLUSIVE: FBI warns NY police about anti-Islam Arizona man who may be headed to state to confront Muslim group – New York Daily News](http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/fbi-warns-ny-police-anti-islam-arizona-man-article-1.2448001) Yes, many Americans are losing it over Muslims, and are blind to their own domestic Christian terrorism. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-americans-losing-it-with-muslims/741553/495 "2016-01-04T06:41:41Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > You are starting to get it. Since Christians and Muslims are both intolerant of infidels, why should Muslims be treated differently? Because Christians and Muslims behave differently? What Christian theocracies exist today? Do you see the Vatican, for example, stoning adulterers? ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-americans-losing-it-with-muslims/741553/496 "2016-01-04T06:51:15Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Because Christians and Muslims behave differently? What Christian theocracies exist today? Do you see the Vatican, for example, stoning adulterers? You really want to get into the morality of the Catholic Church? ---
**Author:** ![TheAllSeeingEye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/919ad9/32.png) [@TheAllSeeingEye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheAllSeeingEye)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 7:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-americans-losing-it-with-muslims/741553/497 "2016-01-04T07:57:58Z")
The common people of a country know when something aint right, and the proof of it is that just one man can stir them up… in reality the pot must have already been boiling else one man couldnt do a darn thing. Whether its Trump, Malcolm X, Lenin, Castro or Hitler, Pretendig that one man created the revolt is a dishonest attempt to distract from the fact that the common people were Already Fed Up, and any Charismatic person could have said and done the same thing and succeeded. ---
**Author:** ![TheAllSeeingEye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/919ad9/32.png) [@TheAllSeeingEye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheAllSeeingEye)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 8:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-americans-losing-it-with-muslims/741553/498 "2016-01-04T08:00:56Z")
Unless you subscribe to the superman leading the herd theory of politics, in which case good luck, because anyone reading stuff on the net instead of powerbroking and snorting coke off his billion dollar hooker-wife is admitting to being one of the herd lol ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 8:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-americans-losing-it-with-muslims/741553/499 "2016-01-04T08:59:44Z")
Can we do both? ---
**Author:** ![TheAllSeeingEye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/919ad9/32.png) [@TheAllSeeingEye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheAllSeeingEye)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 9:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-americans-losing-it-with-muslims/741553/500 "2016-01-04T09:24:38Z")
> [@T.M](#): > > What I am saying is one law for all. The Quran only asks for people to behave modestly it does not demand that woman cover themselves from head to foot. The Quran does ask woman to save the beauty of their intellect for their husbands. While visiting the Blue Mosque in Istanbul I asked why Muslim woman covered their hair and I was told it symbolizes keeping their intellect for their husband. The only demand from the Quran is modesty In my copy of the Qur’ān given to me by the Saudi Embassy in Wellington NZ it clearly states that women must cover everything except their face and hands and that men must cover from above the navel to below the knee. It’s good to put the other poińt of view, but it’s counterproductive to contribute with a second hand sophistry. Also clear in the Qur’ān is that it’s OK to lie to non-muslims and to enslave their women. Just as the same attitude is taken in the Torah toward Goyim. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-americans-losing-it-with-muslims/741553.md?page=24) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-americans-losing-it-with-muslims/741553.md?page=26)