# Are Americans losing it with Muslims? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [December 28, 2015, 10:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-americans-losing-it-with-muslims/741553 "2015-12-28T10:25:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![Memnon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@Memnon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Memnon)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-americans-losing-it-with-muslims/741553/601 "2016-01-07T15:50:40Z")
Given that today is the first anniversary of the Charlie Hebdo massacre (the perpetrators of which were in no way motivated by their religious beliefs and shame on you for even _thinking_ otherwise), I believe now is as good a time as any to share this penetrating article from America’s Finest News Source: [No-one Murdered Because of This Image - The Onion](http://www.theonion.com/article/no-one-murdered-because-of-this-image-29553). _Very_ NSFW! ---
**Author:** ![lalaith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/96bed5/32.png) [@lalaith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lalaith)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-americans-losing-it-with-muslims/741553/602 "2016-01-07T16:03:40Z")
> [@lalaith](#): > > Today is the annivesary of the Charlie Hebdo attack. As indicated, I put a piece on my website [My Cartoon of Allah and Muhammad - Religious Freedom and Its Limits](http://maggieameanderings.com/2016-Jan-7.htm) that has a cartoon with Allah and Muhammad. It’s at the end of the piece. You’d have to click on the Show/Hide button. > > It’s on Google. > > That website has my name on it and where I live. So it’s not anything I did anonymously. > > But I will be removing the drawing of Muhammad from my front page as I was only keeping it there until the anniversary. > > However, this cartoon and the drawing of Muhammad on my [Archive page](http://maggieameanderings.com/Archive.htm) will stay. That’s annive_r_sary. That’s what comes of typing one handed (because the other is holding a cat) when my internet browser is acting up so the spell-check and cursor aren’t working. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-americans-losing-it-with-muslims/741553/603 "2016-01-07T20:21:10Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > You chose the Seventies as a starting point, which “conveniently” allowed you to pretend only 2.5% of terrorist attacks were committed by Muslims. Why can’t I play your game? Can you please explain why choosing that date is a cheat? What date do you think would be fairer? Why? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-americans-losing-it-with-muslims/741553/604 "2016-01-07T21:20:06Z")
> [@Tithonus](#): > > Given that today is the first anniversary of the Charlie Hebdo massacre (the perpetrators of which were in no way motivated by their religious beliefs and shame on you for even _thinking_ otherwise), I believe now is as good a time as any to share this penetrating article from America’s Finest News Source: > > [No-one Murdered Because of This Image - The Onion](http://www.theonion.com/article/no-one-murdered-because-of-this-image-29553). > > _Very_ NSFW! Cause the prophet of peace wasn’t invited? ---
**Author:** ![Memnon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@Memnon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Memnon)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-americans-losing-it-with-muslims/741553/605 "2016-01-07T22:06:20Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Cause the prophet of peace wasn’t invited? Yeah, they thought he might cause a ruckus. ---
**Author:** ![T.M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ad7895/32.png) [@T.M](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/T.M)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-americans-losing-it-with-muslims/741553/606 "2016-01-07T22:17:47Z")
> [@lalaith](#): > > That’s annive_r_sary. That’s what comes of typing one handed (because the other is holding a cat) when my internet browser is acting up so the spell-check and cursor aren’t working. My problem is my keyboard cannot spell ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2016, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-americans-losing-it-with-muslims/741553/607 "2016-01-08T17:41:50Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Can you please explain why choosing that date is a cheat? What date do you think would be fairer? Why? I’m happy for him to pick pretty much any date he likes to be honest. Just as long as he can explain why our definition of terrorism doesn’t include the people we kill in their countries. For example: > **[41 men targeted but 1,147 people killed: US drone strikes – the facts on the...](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/nov/24/-sp-us-drone-strikes-kill-1147)** > > New analysis of data conducted by human rights group Reprieve shared with the Guardian, raises questions about accuracy of intelligence guiding ‘precise’ strikes "Hussain was a deputy commander of the Pakistani Taliban, a militant group aligned with al-Qaida that trained the would-be Times Square bomber, Faisal Shahzad, before his unsuccessful 2010 attack. The drones first came for Hussain years before, on 29 January 2008. Then they came on 23 June 2009, 15 January 2010, 2 October 2010 and 7 October 2010. Finally, on 15 October 2010, Hellfire missiles fired from a Predator or Reaper drone killed Hussain, the Pakistani Taliban later confirmed. For the death of a man whom practically no American can name, the US killed 128 people, 13 of them children, none of whom it meant to harm. " Waddya say Astorian, terrorism or not? And that Iraqi death count. What say you - ok for us to kill tens of thousand, because we’re doing it for freedom? ---
**Author:** ![JBGUSA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/258eb7/32.png) [@JBGUSA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JBGUSA)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-americans-losing-it-with-muslims/741553/608 "2017-01-31T23:36:10Z")
> [@Gary\_Kumquat](#): > > I’m happy for him to pick pretty much any date he likes to be honest. Just as long as he can explain why our definition of terrorism doesn’t include the people we kill in their countries. > > For example: > > [41 men targeted but 1,147 people killed: US drone strikes – the facts on the ground | Obama administration | The Guardian](http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/nov/24/-sp-us-drone-strikes-kill-1147) > > "Hussain was a deputy commander of the Pakistani Taliban, a militant group aligned with al-Qaida that trained the would-be Times Square bomber, Faisal Shahzad, before his unsuccessful 2010 attack. The drones first came for Hussain years before, on 29 January 2008. Then they came on 23 June 2009, 15 January 2010, 2 October 2010 and 7 October 2010. > > Finally, on 15 October 2010, Hellfire missiles fired from a Predator or Reaper drone killed Hussain, the Pakistani Taliban later confirmed. For the death of a man whom practically no American can name, the US killed 128 people, 13 of them children, none of whom it meant to harm. " > > Waddya say Astorian, terrorism or not? > > And that Iraqi death count. What say you - ok for us to kill tens of thousand, because we’re doing it for freedom? Is winning the war against people who hate us so bad? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-americans-losing-it-with-muslims/741553/609 "2017-02-01T00:15:40Z")
> [@JBGUSA](#): > > Is winning the war against people who hate us so bad? What people? Some Muslims are murderous assholes, but most Muslims are peaceful people who have no interest in violence. Sure, if we kill enough of them, they’ll all start to hate us… but that sounds like it would do incredible danger to America, considering that there are over a billion of them. In order to keep America strong and safe, we should try not to kill peaceful civilians since that would probably make billions have justifiable hatred for us. ---
**Author:** ![JBGUSA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/258eb7/32.png) [@JBGUSA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JBGUSA)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-americans-losing-it-with-muslims/741553/610 "2017-02-01T16:52:49Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > What people? Some Muslims are murderous assholes, but most Muslims are peaceful people who have no interest in violence. It’s always true that a minority of any group are malefactors, but they are particularly deadly in the way they go about it. A civilized First World society cannot coexist with a group of people at war with it. Even if many of them object on religious grounds to America’s support of Israel for example they’ll have to live with it. Many on here oppose the Iraq war effort. That does not justify a random slaughter of U.S. civilians. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Sure, if we kill enough of them, they’ll all start to hate us… but that sounds like it would do incredible danger to America, considering that there are over a billion of them. > > In order to keep America strong and safe, we should try not to kill peaceful civilians since that would probably make billions have justifiable hatred for us. The Muslims are going to have to find a way to coexist with us. Not the other way around. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2017, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-americans-losing-it-with-muslims/741553/611 "2017-02-01T17:21:38Z")
> [@JBGUSA](#): > > It’s always true that a minority of any group are malefactors, but they are particularly deadly in the way they go about it. A civilized First World society cannot coexist with a group of people at war with it. Even if many of them object on religious grounds to America’s support of Israel for example they’ll have to live with it. Many on here oppose the Iraq war effort. That does not justify a random slaughter of U.S. civilians. I have no idea what you’re saying here or how it conflicts with my post. > [@](#): > > The Muslims are going to have to find a way to coexist with us. Not the other way around. The vast majority of Muslims are coexisting with us. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-americans-losing-it-with-muslims/741553/612 "2017-02-03T15:03:14Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > > [@Urbanredneck](#): > > > > Trump may have been a little extreme but he isnt far off either. > > Far off what? The truth, or the mood of a dangerous and reactionary segment of the public? Apparently the correct answer was “a dangerous and reactionary segment of the public,” which happens to include enough of the electorate to win. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Weisshund](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ba8739/32.png) [@Weisshund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weisshund)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2017, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-americans-losing-it-with-muslims/741553/613 "2017-02-05T22:47:57Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > And nuns with their head covering habits? Are they oppressed? Receiving your open scorn? Not that this matters, but you guys do realize that not all nuns wear a habit (which is the entire attire, not just the head covering) And they are allowed to take them off, some do not even wear them at all. I’ve seen many nuns wearing nothing special per say at all, they just dress very plain and modest. It all depends on what organization the nun belongs to, and where she works etc. For what it’s worth, God saw fit not to design any clothes at all, he made you one suit that always fits, is easy to wash, and for the most part never wears out, and is always in style. The evil guy over in the corner, yea him, he invented the need for clothes? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2017, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-americans-losing-it-with-muslims/741553/614 "2017-02-05T23:51:38Z")
> [@Weisshund](#): > > Not that this matters, but you guys do realize that not all nuns wear a habit (which is the entire attire, not just the head covering) > And they are allowed to take them off, some do not even wear them at all. > I’ve seen many nuns wearing nothing special per say at all, they just dress very plain and modest. Got news for you. Not all Muslim females wear any kind of head covering (except rain hats, etc.) either. > [@](#): > > It all depends on what organization the nun belongs to, and where she works etc. It all depends on the culture to which the particular Muslim female is part of. > [@](#): > > For what it’s worth, God saw fit not to design any clothes at all, he made you one suit that always fits, is easy to wash, and for the most part never wears out, and is always in style. Yep. I’ve been on the beach in a majority Muslim country, and seen women I know to be believing and practicing Muslims, on the beach. Some of them (the women, not the beaches, heh) were even wearing bikinis. > [@](#): > > The evil guy over in the corner, yea him, he invented the need for clothes? You mean شيطان? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2017, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-americans-losing-it-with-muslims/741553/615 "2017-02-06T00:45:29Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Got news for you. Not all Muslim females wear any kind of head covering (except rain hats, etc.) either. This is breaking news and we’re comforted to know not all Muslim females are subject to religious police for not wearing them. Thanks for sharing. You should draw a cartoon about that as a public service. ---
**Author:** ![Jefferson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/8491ac/32.png) [@Jefferson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jefferson)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2017, 9:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-americans-losing-it-with-muslims/741553/616 "2017-02-06T09:53:12Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > The other day while Christmas shopping at WalMart a Muslim couple was there. The husband was dressed fairly normal but the wife had the full length black outfit and had her head covered and her face partially covered. They got more than a few stares and they was many an angry look. > > Americans have been told to be tolerant but I think our tolerance is coming to an end. Trump may have been a little extreme but he isnt far off either. > > What do you all think? Trump has seen what has happened to Europe and (like many people) doesn’t want the same happening to the USA. Take England for example, the Muslim population is rising rapidly. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2017, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-americans-losing-it-with-muslims/741553/617 "2017-02-06T11:37:37Z")
> [@Jefferson](#): > > Trump has seen what has happened to Europe and (like many people) doesn’t want the same happening to the USA. Take England for example, the Muslim population is rising rapidly. Point being? ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2017, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-americans-losing-it-with-muslims/741553/618 "2017-02-06T12:38:15Z")
> [@Jefferson](#): > > Trump has seen what has happened to Europe and (like many people) doesn’t want the same happening to the USA. Take England for example, the Muslim population is rising rapidly. What does this even mean, exactly? ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2017, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-americans-losing-it-with-muslims/741553/619 "2017-02-06T12:50:21Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > What does this even mean, exactly? I’m pretty sure he’s referring to the (stupid) conspiracy theory that Muslims take over countries by first immigrating, and then having lots of children until they eventually become a majority in whatever country they’re supposedly “taking over.”. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2017, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-americans-losing-it-with-muslims/741553/620 "2017-02-06T13:04:27Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > What does this even mean, exactly? **Jefferson** is probably referring to “[white genocide](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_genocide_conspiracy_theory).” > [@](#): > > White genocide conspiracy theory is a white nationalist conspiracy theory that mass immigration, integration, miscegenation, low fertility rates and abortion are being promoted in predominantly white countries to deliberately turn them minority-white and hence cause white people to become extinct through forced assimilation. The phrase “Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white”, coined by high-profile white nationalist Robert Whitaker, is commonly associated with the topic of white genocide. Bannon & his sort are believers. Or they rouse the true believers for money & power… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-americans-losing-it-with-muslims/741553.md?page=30) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-americans-losing-it-with-muslims/741553.md?page=32)