# Are anti-hunters especially outraged by female hunters? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [April 18, 2015, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-anti-hunters-especially-outraged-by-female-hunters/717991 "2015-04-18T15:04:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Ellis\_Aponte\_Jr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@Ellis\_Aponte\_Jr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ellis_Aponte_Jr)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2015, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-anti-hunters-especially-outraged-by-female-hunters/717991/21 "2015-04-19T05:53:08Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Who the heck are those performers on the wallpaper? Not sure what you’re referring to here…? ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2015, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-anti-hunters-especially-outraged-by-female-hunters/717991/22 "2015-04-19T06:46:21Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > At least so it seems to me, given several such publicized controversies. Is it that men are dismissed as troglodytes anyway, but women don’t get that pass? I imagine, in this case, it’s simply a matter that people like looking at pretty women. As such, they click the link, are disgusted, and comment. And then, because of how social media works, their comments are routed to their friends who see the headline “hot chick”, click, are disgusted, and comment. That Kendall Jones’ responses seem pretty reasonable. Personally, I think that if you’re just trying to snag some food to eat, then there’s no reason to fly to Africa. And if you want to practice your skill at hunting, you would get a better game by arranging a big sniper paintball tournament. But certainly no non-vegetarian has any place to stand if they’re going to complain about legal, licensed hunting. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2015, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-anti-hunters-especially-outraged-by-female-hunters/717991/23 "2015-04-19T12:28:59Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Who the heck are those performers on the wallpaper? > [@Ellis\_Aponte\_Jr](#): > > Not sure what you’re referring to here…? Sorry, the link given is to an article about L’Oreal dumping Axelle Despiegelaere, which in turn has a link to the photo of her posing with a kill: [https://twitter.com/AlyWeisman/status/487237557668028416/photo/1](http://t.co/Xn4lZrckLs) ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2015, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-anti-hunters-especially-outraged-by-female-hunters/717991/24 "2015-04-19T12:29:09Z")
Paintball has fuck all to do with hunting and next to fuck all to do with the use of real guns. ---
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2015, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-anti-hunters-especially-outraged-by-female-hunters/717991/25 "2015-04-19T13:55:45Z")
I think I may be sexist, because it actually does bother me more when I hear of a woman hunter. I think of females being a bit softer, more caring (right or wrong). I don’t like the thought of hunting at all, but I really don’t see how a woman could kill something. I live in prime hunting territory, and I’m surrounded by hunters. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![eclectic\_wench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ac91a4/32.png) [@eclectic\_wench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eclectic_wench)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2015, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-anti-hunters-especially-outraged-by-female-hunters/717991/26 "2015-04-19T15:07:54Z")
I don’t have any problem with people who eat what they kill (I’m not a vegetarian, and our chicken stir-fry has probably had a much worse life than the deer some guy shoots and eats, so I’m in no position to get self-righteous). There’s a part of me that would like to do that. It seems more…honest? than going down to the butcher and getting a pound of mince. I do think there’s something wrong with people who kill for fun. I don’t see any difference at all between men and women doing it. ---
**Author:** ![Ellis\_Aponte\_Jr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@Ellis\_Aponte\_Jr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ellis_Aponte_Jr)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2015, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-anti-hunters-especially-outraged-by-female-hunters/717991/27 "2015-04-19T16:20:37Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Sorry, the link given is to an article about L’Oreal dumping Axelle Despiegelaere, which in turn has a link to the photo of her posing with a kill: [https://twitter.com/AlyWeisman/status/487237557668028416/photo/1](http://t.co/Xn4lZrckLs) Bette Midler and Elton John ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2015, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-anti-hunters-especially-outraged-by-female-hunters/717991/28 "2015-04-19T18:13:41Z")
In my completely WAG opinion it’s because like Cert’s it combines two objects of potential scorn in one handy package. Entitled pretty blonde just being an entitled pretty blonde + swaggering western big game hunter reveling in an exotic animal big game kill. This drives people who are repelled by either of those tropes a handy combo package. Add clueless white privilege icon Gwyneth Paltrow + Hogzilla killer and you’re close to the total package. ---
**Author:** ![racepug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@racepug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/racepug)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-anti-hunters-especially-outraged-by-female-hunters/717991/29 "2015-04-20T16:26:14Z")
I don’t like hunters, period. Gender doesn’t matter to me. Partly because I KNOW that some “hunters” kill animals only “for sport” or for target practice. Partly because I just don’t like guns/firearms/AK-47s/AR-15s/what-have-you and I have a high distrust of people who do. I will concede that, as someone who has not yet managed to eliminate meat from my diet entirely, I contribute to the abuse of animals that are bred to serve solely as food for humans, later. I will concede that point. But that still doesn’t make me dislike hunters any less. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-anti-hunters-especially-outraged-by-female-hunters/717991/30 "2015-04-20T16:30:38Z")
NM. Thought I was in the Pit ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-anti-hunters-especially-outraged-by-female-hunters/717991/31 "2015-04-20T17:31:39Z")
I do think it violates our notions of women as nurturers, which may account for the extra venom. Whether it is sexist to think of women as nurturers, I leave to the reader. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-anti-hunters-especially-outraged-by-female-hunters/717991/32 "2015-04-20T18:49:41Z")
> [@Spoke](#): > > I do think it violates our notions of women as nurturers, which may account for the extra venom. Whether it is sexist to think of women as nurturers, I leave to the reader. Yes, it’s sexist, since it’s up to the individual to decide what overall philosophy of life she wants to follow. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-anti-hunters-especially-outraged-by-female-hunters/717991/33 "2015-04-20T19:15:05Z")
> [@Spoke](#): > > I do think it violates our notions of women as nurturers, which may account for the extra venom. Whether it is sexist to think of women as nurturers, I leave to the reader. You’re leaving it up to the reader whether it’s sexist to condemn women more than men for the same behavior, based on your preconceived ideas about what personality traits people should have depending on their gender? This reader is all right with that responsibility. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-anti-hunters-especially-outraged-by-female-hunters/717991/34 "2015-04-20T20:34:11Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > You’re leaving it up to the reader whether it’s sexist to condemn women more than men for the same behavior, based on your preconceived ideas about what personality traits people should have depending on their gender? > > This reader is all right with that responsibility. OK, that’s fine. I submit that gender differences are not entirely a matter of socialization, and that, _on average_, women tend to be more nurturing. If you think that makes me a sexist caveman, meh, don’t care. And I am not saying it’s “OK” to condemn women more than men. Just trying to find an explanation for why it happens that way. ---
**Author:** ![UncleRojelio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unclerojelio/32/3160_2.png) [@UncleRojelio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleRojelio)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-anti-hunters-especially-outraged-by-female-hunters/717991/35 "2015-04-20T20:40:37Z")
> [@Ellis\_Aponte\_Jr](#): > > Bette Midler and Elton John The one on the right is Cher. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-anti-hunters-especially-outraged-by-female-hunters/717991/36 "2015-04-20T20:45:16Z")
> [@Spoke](#): > > OK, that’s fine. I submit that gender differences are not entirely a matter of socialization, and that, _on average_, women tend to be more nurturing. If you think that makes me a sexist caveman, meh, don’t care. On average, men are more violently sociopathic and prone to molest children. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-anti-hunters-especially-outraged-by-female-hunters/717991/37 "2015-04-20T20:57:01Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > On average, men are more violently sociopathic and prone to molest children. Yes, that’s true. Did you think I would disagree? ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Panic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/don_t_panic/32/398_2.png) [@Don\_t\_Panic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Panic)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-anti-hunters-especially-outraged-by-female-hunters/717991/38 "2015-04-20T20:59:22Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Is it that men are dismissed as troglodytes anyway, but women don’t get that pass? Yes. Women start from a different baseline than men, when it comes to our perception of these things. Is that innate, or because of socialization? Probably a bit of both. Is that sexist? Yes. Obviously. But I’m picking my battles a bit on the sexism thing, and I’m not picking this one. Most of the lady hunters being linked to as examples here are giving me a massive case of the creeps. Or rather, I’ll usually take mostly any sexism battle on. But when it’s about your right to stand around grinning like a maniac over the dead body of an animal that you just killed? Nah, I don’t care what gender you are, you’re on your own. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-anti-hunters-especially-outraged-by-female-hunters/717991/39 "2015-04-20T21:03:12Z")
> [@Spoke](#): > > I do think it violates our notions of women as nurturers, > [@Spoke](#): > > _on average_, women tend to be more nurturing. These two statements are as different as the following two statements: “I think that men are rapists.” “On average, men tend to commit more rape.” The first is undoubtedly sexist. The second is not. An example of a non-nurturing woman should not violate any notion that on average women tend to be more nurturing, any more than a short man ought to violate our notion that on average men tend to be taller. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-anti-hunters-especially-outraged-by-female-hunters/717991/40 "2015-04-20T21:05:20Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > An example of a non-nurturing woman should not violate any notion that on average women tend to be more nurturing, any more than a short man ought to violate our notion that on average men tend to be taller. On the contrary, the fact that women on average are more nurturing than men is what leads to the more generalized perception that women are nurturing; and that perception is probably what leads to the stronger backlash against women hunters. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-anti-hunters-especially-outraged-by-female-hunters/717991.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-anti-hunters-especially-outraged-by-female-hunters/717991.md?page=3)