Are "bad" pets endearing?

Truer words, and all that.

Cat Lover’s Rules:

  1. The cat is not allowed in the house.
  2. OK, the cat is allowed in the house, but only in certain rooms.
  3. Ok, the cat is allowed in all rooms, but must stay off the furniture.
  4. The cat can get on the old furniture only.
  5. Fine, the cat is allowed on all the furniture, but it is not allowed to sleep with the humans on the bed.
  6. The cat can sleep on the bed, but not under the covers or on the pillow.
  7. OK, The cat can sleep under the covers and on the pillow by invitation only.
  8. Well, ok, the cat can sleep under the covers every night and on the pillow too.
  9. Humans must ask permission to sleep under the cover with the cat; only the cat can sleep on the pillow.

My opinion is that there is no such thing as bad pets; only bad owners. You don’t take the time and make the effort to teach your new pet the rules, then whatever destruction and/or harm they cause is on you.

I have two Boston terriers, one of which was rescued from being a stud dog at a puppy mill. I got him when he was 5. He’d never been housebroken or had any sort of socialization to people whatsoever. He’d never had a belly rub, or a treat, or been taken for a nice walk to a park. I had trouble training him at first because he didn’t recognize a treat as something edible he could have. It was not motivating. What did motivate him was lots of petting and love.

But breaking down the canine-human barriers and teaching this dog how to communicate cause him to bond very closely to me and that resulted in separation anxiety. I ended up hiring an animal behaviorist, who helped me come up with a behavioral modification therapy that I used in conjunction with anti-anxiety meds. (Prozac for dogs; I called it Dog-zac. And it worked like a charm!)

In between the meds and therapy, of course, I had this other dog, who is basically a big sweetie that I adopted when she was a puppy. (I’m a crappy dog trainer, but this dog is pretty good. I think she’s smarter than me.) Other dog was having neck problems, so the vet recommended that I take an old gym sock and fill it with plain uncooked white rice and knot the sock closed. When the dog’s neck hurt her, I was supposed to nuke the rice sock for a couple minutes and then use that as a warm compress on the dog’s neck. She hated it.

Rescued Dog loved it, however, because it smelled like slightly cooked rice, a dish he’d become familiar with. So one day, I wasn’t thinking and left the damn rice sock on the coffee table in the living room, well within reach of both dogs. Rescued dog managed to get a hold of it while I was at work and somehow, flung every single grain of rice (about a pound of rice) from inside the sock to every nook and cranny in my house.

I walked in the door to discover that a wedding had exploded in my house. The dogs were grinning from ear to ear, so proud of themselves that they’d killed and gutted the mean old nasty rice sock. I got out the vacuum and was disturbed to realize that I couldn’t find the sock. Oh, please tell me that damn dog didn’t eat the entire sock. I looked and looked and couldn’t find it, but the dog seemed fine. I cleaned up all the rice and went back to work.

When I got home that afternoon, Rescued dog left his first dump of mostly rice in the yard. He proceeded to poop dry raw rice for the next three days. When I got ready for bed the first night after The Great and Terrible Rice Sock Incident, I flung the covers back and found the rice sock! One of the dogs had taken it to bed (ahem, I’m looking at you, Other Dog) and “buried” it under the covers. Again, my bedtime was delayed while I picked grains of rice out of my sheets.

Now, I think this story is hilarious. I love telling it because it makes me laugh to think about the joyous abandon with which a dog will fling a quickly draining rice sock. I could picture the little BT dance they did as they “killed” the rice sock. It still makes me giggle. Was that incident endearing?

Nooooooot really.

What it did was underscore the problem of separation anxiety and it prompted me to get professional help. I clearly did not have enough dog experience to really work with a rescue properly. After the behavioral modification and meds, I was able to calm the dog enough that now, in his old age, he really only eats paper and cardboard that is left within his reach. And I also stopped leaving things within his reach. But I don’t blame the dog and think he’s a bad dog. He had a terrible life and doesn’t have the best dog trainer in the world (me), but he belongs with us now and we lurves him.

But I don’t expect the dogsitter to put up with him, so he gets kenneled whenever I have to travel. I don’t expect anyone else to tolerate his nonsense, just because I do because I heart my dog.

ETA: when I moved out of that house two years later, I found grains of rice behind and under furniture. :smiley:

Dogzilla:

First off, I want to say that the literary character Dogzilla was pretty darn endearing even though she destroyed much of Mousopolis.

And it’s cute almost any time a pet has an obsession with an object… a favorite toy, a favorite food… but as you’ve illustrated, it can be cute without being endearing.

Baal Houtham:

I came up with this screen name (around 1996-97) long before the Dogzilla books came out (around 2003?). I’m a writer also and am super furious with myself that Dav Pilkey came up with them before I thought of it. And I really hate that the literary Dogzilla is a Welsh Corgi (not that there’s anything wrong with that). All Dogzillas will always be Boston Terrorists to me. Mostly, I’m just jealous. They’re great books.

I had a “bad” parrot: He screamed, chewed things up, and bit. He bit out of fear, once we were friendly and I trained him how to interact with humans, he stopped biting. Screaming and chewing were normal for his species, if annoying to humans. We gave him things to chew, and allowed for a certain amount of screaming.
He was an endearing little cuss; he could flirt, mock, dance, wrestle and poke people with a peacock feather from four feet away. The screechiness did not make him extra cute, but the cuteness, affection high spirts were worth the screaming

Your OP has a fallacy…there are no “good” pets.:smiley:
But yeah, “bad” ones are even worser.

My cat is pretty bad. Well, he’s like, schizophrenic. Sometimes he’s really sweet and just wants to sit in my lap and purr and be adorable, and then sometimes he decides that he really really really wants to eat my hand. He also thinks I should get up when he wants me to and tells me so by attacking my face while I’m sleeping.

Anyway, I find him endearing. I seem to be the only one, though.

For me, it’s not the badness that makes a pet endearing. It’s the other endearing stuff that makes the occasional badness endurable.

Indeed that book (and film) does not show a endearing pet so much as idiot owners, and a from of dog abuse (as a owner,you need to be Alpha, which means you need to show firmness to the “pack”). I hate “Marley & Me” :mad:

I have a Sheltie and I couldn’t agree more. We left for 4th of July weekend and when the dog saw our bags sitting by the door, he got jittery. He bolted out the front door, jumped into the car and refused to move, even though he is trained to never go out the front door (the back yard is all his).

They definitely have personalities.

I also hate the dog food commercial that sometimes runs during The Dog Whisperer. Right after Cesar Milan spends twenty minutes explaining how to walk the stupid dog without tension on the leash, the commercial shows some dog dragging her owner all over the park. :rolleyes:

Regards,
Shodan

I largely agree with this. I’m sure most people would consider my cats “bad”, inasmuch as they pretty much have the run of the place. They sleep on the pillows, they jump on the counters, they demand constant attention, hell, one of them turns the lights on and off as he sees fit, and greets visitors at the door by climbing the curtain so he can see them at eye level. They’re definitely not “hide under the bed” cats. They like people, and assume people will like them, to the point of jumping into strangers’ laps.

Thing is though, these things don’t bother me, and since it’s my house, I don’t care if anyone else likes it (with the exception of the jumping on people thing, I will lock them in my room if it’s an issue). For the record, most of my visitors don’t seem to mind, and many of them love my cats to death, precisely because they’re so full of “personality”.

My answer was “a thousand times NO” (I hate those movies), but then I saw this picture.

Well, I think there’s a difference between certain things like weird or quirky cat behavior (is that redundant?) and examples of an animal directly challenging authority. Like owners whose small dogs nip and they think it’s cute that the dog is doing that because they think the dog can’t really hurt you. Stuff like that is really bad ownership and tantamount to abuse.

Yeah, exactly. My dogs are wonderful, well-behaved critters, who have occasional “lapses.” One gets a little possessive of one of his squeaky toys, but that’s because he wants you to chase him, take it away, and throw it for him to catch again. Same dog also doesn’t like some little kids, which is okay, because the little kids he dislikes are usually budding sociopaths. (He likes my kids, who know how to behave around dogs. They aren’t loud and screamy and grabby. They’ve always had dogs.) The Newfie is more prone to lapses: he’s totally neurotic, and that’s less endearing than you might think. (85 pounds of lapdog, because he’s scared of thunder/the trash truck/random people bicycling on the road out front? Gets old in a hurry!) The old dog gets in the trash every now and again, because someone has forgotten to rinse out a food can or wrap up scraps. He’s a hound. Hounds are just like that. But he’s also the sweetest, best dog on the planet.

Similarly, my fiance is a police officer who works with a drug dog. The dog is a 1.5-year-old German Shepherd, beautiful, obedient, and very well-trained. When he’s at work, he’s all business. At home, though, he’s pretty much all puppy, to the point that he wants to eat your socks if you leave them on the floor. But after he’s spent the day working in all kinds of weather, he’s totally allowed to come home and play and be a puppy. (We have a nice system, wherein my fiance is the “dog handler,” and I get to be “puppy Mommy,” romping and playing with the dog. There’s no confusion that way - he knows the difference between work time and playtime.) Last night, Mojo decided to chew up a houseguest’s beret - part of his Army uniform. We got on to the dog, but had already (just minutes before) warned the houseguest that items like that were safest out of Mojo’s reach. He didn’t take the hint, and ordered a new beret after dinner…

Full disclosure: I’ve never had a real pet and while I think dogs are cute in pictures, in real life they smell bad, make my eyes water, shed all over, smell bad, and smell bad. The movie Marley & Me, which I ordered on pay-per-view in a weak bored moment on a Sunday afternoon, made me all stabby. I’m willing to believe a dog adds something positive to a house, but I didn’t see enough (or any) of that to outweigh the crap that dog pulled.

When she says “Why do you have to ruin EVERYTHING?” I felt exactly the same way. I know little kids ruin things but there’s some sort of payoff in seeing a person grow and develop. When she says “The dog has to go” I thought, Amen, and then he says “Well, of course that’s not going to happen” I thought, REALLY? There’s no way you would choose your wife over a dog? I hope if it really came down to it there would at least be some discussion. Not to mention

You know your dog will die if it gets to overeat, and you know the dog doesn’t behave, so you leave him a way to go overeat??

Ooh, good one.:cool: