# are Bush and America trying to fulfil some biblical prophecies ? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 28, 2002, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-bush-and-america-trying-to-fulfil-some-biblical-prophecies/126004 "2002-08-28T22:46:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2002, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-bush-and-america-trying-to-fulfil-some-biblical-prophecies/126004/1 "2002-08-28T22:46:29Z")
…and he disappeared in a puff of logic. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2002, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-bush-and-america-trying-to-fulfil-some-biblical-prophecies/126004/2 "2002-08-28T22:47:44Z")
And Lo, the Hamsters will feast on posts. And a cry will go up to heaven, “Cecil, save us!” and JDavis will be most wroth. They shall cry out to the moderators, and the moderators will lock the posts, and advise the afflicted to repost. For it is written in the Second Book of Zotti, “And this command do I give to the moderators. Thou shall lock all those posts that offend and those that show error And those posts that are insulting or instruct others to break the law Thou shall delete, Lest we be sued and the Chicago Reader come down on our ass.” . . . And so the Moderators did lock the post and the people gave thanks to Cecil and prayed that they may not be smitten by Og and the hamsters were satisfied. ---
**Author:** ![Havel.2002](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6bbea6/32.png) [@Havel.2002](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Havel.2002)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2002, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-bush-and-america-trying-to-fulfil-some-biblical-prophecies/126004/3 "2002-08-28T23:36:06Z")
_Something went wrong. I wrote something like this_ I’m having USAs comming attack on Iraq on my mind and their close relations to Israel and christian fundamentalists. (who both believe that Israel -with Palestine are given to the jews by god) **USA may have the economy, techonolgy, manpower, will, military arsenal, influence and ability to start and fulfil a scenario like this.** I must also add that USA have a very large and influencual christian conservative minority. People who would love to start fulfilling the prophecies they interpret from the bible. The Bush administration are far more positive toward this group and know that they depend on their votes. They are also pretty dependent on jewish support - money and influence (AIPAC). The western sivilisation seams to loose the grip on christianity and the number of atheist reach new hights every year. Adultery, abortion, homosexuality are being more and more accepted. The traditional family structure is on it’s way out. More and more people are being addicted to drugs. Crime-rate are getting higher each year and crimes are getting more serious. The modern world have for long had a problem with pollution (and many christians mean that this is something that’s written about in the bible). We have also the problem with overpopulation in the world. USAs war against terror isn’t simply enough to explaine their politic and ambition. Their close ties with Israel is even more strange. These ties will always be a nemesis for USA and that will be clearer and clearer for most americans in the future. **This is of course just some speculations from me, but what do you think about this ?** ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2002, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-bush-and-america-trying-to-fulfil-some-biblical-prophecies/126004/4 "2002-08-28T23:47:00Z")
I think I don’t know what you’re talking about and _you_ don’t know what you’re talking about and the hamster had the right idea. ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2002, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-bush-and-america-trying-to-fulfil-some-biblical-prophecies/126004/5 "2002-08-28T23:51:49Z")
That you are babbling incoherently? The US’s close ties with Israel is not so strange considering the history of their relationship during the Cold War and the competition between the Soviets and the US for influence in the area. ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2002, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-bush-and-america-trying-to-fulfil-some-biblical-prophecies/126004/6 "2002-08-28T23:57:48Z")
—This is of course just some speculations from me, but what do you think about this?— I don’t understand you very well. But I do think Israel has a right to be a little suspicious of all the newfound and laudatory support and friendship from people who believe that the hoped for future role of Israel is to have all the Jews that live there be killed en masse in great battles and then the survivors converted to Christianity. ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2002, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-bush-and-america-trying-to-fulfil-some-biblical-prophecies/126004/7 "2002-08-29T00:01:32Z")
That was good, Captain! ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2002, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-bush-and-america-trying-to-fulfil-some-biblical-prophecies/126004/8 "2002-08-29T00:04:53Z")
1. Evangelical Christians are indeed a small minority in the US, albeit a loud one. The views of evangelical Christians are not the views of Americans as a whole. Period. 2. President Bush, though he courted them, is not an evangelical Christian, and is not trying to spark Armageddon. 3. What on earth are you saying? I understand that English is not your native language, but I’m still having a lot of trouble understanding your point. ---
**Author:** ![Havel.2002](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6bbea6/32.png) [@Havel.2002](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Havel.2002)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2002, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-bush-and-america-trying-to-fulfil-some-biblical-prophecies/126004/9 "2002-08-29T00:06:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Apos \* > \*\*- > But I do think Israel has a right to be a little suspicious of all the newfound and laudatory support and friendship from people who believe that the hoped for future role of Israel is to have all the Jews that live there be killed en masse in great battles and then the survivors converted to Christianity. \*\* you are not trying very hard, are you ?:mad: ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2002, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-bush-and-america-trying-to-fulfil-some-biblical-prophecies/126004/10 "2002-08-29T00:08:52Z")
—you are not trying very hard, are you?— Eh? ---
**Author:** ![Havel.2002](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6bbea6/32.png) [@Havel.2002](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Havel.2002)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2002, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-bush-and-america-trying-to-fulfil-some-biblical-prophecies/126004/11 "2002-08-29T00:11:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by andros \* > \*\* > 3) What on earth are you saying? I understand that English is not your native language, but I’m still having a lot of trouble understanding your point. \*\* many evangelical christians believe that it’s up to mankind to fulfil (or to help fulfil) the prophecies in the bible and not wait for god to do it. They might wanna fuel conflicts in the middle-east and use USA and it’s military techology to fulfil it do you understand more now ? ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2002, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-bush-and-america-trying-to-fulfil-some-biblical-prophecies/126004/12 "2002-08-29T00:16:26Z")
Yes, except that the US military-industrial complex is not run by those evangelicals. Of course there are some loonies who’d like to see war in the MidEast. Fortunately, the loonies are not runnign the show. ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2002, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-bush-and-america-trying-to-fulfil-some-biblical-prophecies/126004/13 "2002-08-29T00:20:16Z")
—They might wanna fuel conflicts in the middle-east and use USA and it’s military techology to fulfil it — Maybe, but I don’t think the majority of any Presidential administration would go for this sort of thing unless it was snuck in in a very covert way. So, mostly, I just think their interest in Israel is harmless: just kinda creepy. ---
**Author:** ![Estilicon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/848f3c/32.png) [@Estilicon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Estilicon)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2002, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-bush-and-america-trying-to-fulfil-some-biblical-prophecies/126004/14 "2002-08-29T01:20:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by andros \* > \*\*Yes, except that the US military-industrial complex is not run by those evangelicals. Of course there are some loonies who’d like to see war in the MidEast. Fortunately, the loonies are not runnign the show. \*\* The rest of the world sure hopes those evangelicals get to run the U.S. insustrial-military complex. With the help of the lord perhaps they will be more restrained. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Netbrian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/71e660/32.png) [@Netbrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Netbrian)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2002, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-bush-and-america-trying-to-fulfil-some-biblical-prophecies/126004/15 "2002-08-29T01:54:31Z")
\*\*The western sivilisation seams to loose the grip on christianity and the number of atheist reach new hights every year. Adultery, abortion, homosexuality are being more and more accepted. The traditional family structure is on it’s way out. More and more people are being addicted to drugs. Crime-rate are getting higher each year and crimes are getting more serious. \*\* Mind citing any of it? And don’t forget that “Focus on the Family” isn’t a legitimate citation for this sort of thing. I did learn something though… Apparently “Homosexuality” is one of the riders of the Apocalypse. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2002, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-bush-and-america-trying-to-fulfil-some-biblical-prophecies/126004/16 "2002-08-29T02:41:58Z")
I thought I saw a poll recently where a frighteningly large percent of Americans though America should support Irael to fulfill biblical prophesy. No, I have no sites, nor remember what the percentage was. A quick Google search didn’t come up with anything, maybe I’ll find something later and come back to the this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2002, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-bush-and-america-trying-to-fulfil-some-biblical-prophecies/126004/17 "2002-08-29T02:45:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Netbrian \* > \*\*I did learn something though… Apparently “Homosexuality” is one of the riders of the Apocalypse. 😉 \*\* I bet he’s the one wearing chaps. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2002, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-bush-and-america-trying-to-fulfil-some-biblical-prophecies/126004/18 "2002-08-29T02:49:47Z")
Actually, it’s “Adultery, Abortion, and Alternate Lifestyles” if you want more elegant shorthand for your list of evils. You can add “Addiction” and “Apocalyptic Thinking” too. Evidently a lot of things are worrying you, Havel. But they are kind of jumbled up together. I think that if you try and tie them all into a package you will wind up with a very bad headache. I think the apocalyptic visionary crowd is probably just as confused and worried as the rest of us; they’re just hoping for first-class tickets on the Rapture Boat when crunch time comes. They are not going to be controlling events. So relax. We live in interesting times, don’t we? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2002, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-bush-and-america-trying-to-fulfil-some-biblical-prophecies/126004/19 "2002-08-29T03:13:22Z")
Funny, I thought crime in the U.S. had gone _down_ in recent years. My hobgoblin is dancing. ---
**Author:** ![Rhapsody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9de0a6/32.png) [@Rhapsody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhapsody)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2002, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-bush-and-america-trying-to-fulfil-some-biblical-prophecies/126004/20 "2002-08-29T05:22:04Z")
I think the Bush mafia is just trying to fully fill their pockets with the money made through their oil interests and their weapons interests. I wish someone would eliminate the whole family from the face of the earth. They are nothing but a bunch of criminal murderers who don’t deserve the spit I would plant in the middle of their collective faces. They can take rumsfeld and cheney with them straight to the hell they deserve. I can’t believe the damage the bush’s have done to this country and our government. We have criminals running our country and they seem intent on destroying everything we used to think we stand for and fight for. I hope someone with a high powered rifle finds them… [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-bush-and-america-trying-to-fulfil-some-biblical-prophecies/126004.md?page=2)