# are Bush and America trying to fulfil some biblical prophecies ? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 28, 2002, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-bush-and-america-trying-to-fulfil-some-biblical-prophecies/126004 "2002-08-28T22:46:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2002, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-bush-and-america-trying-to-fulfil-some-biblical-prophecies/126004/21 "2002-08-29T05:43:22Z")
:rolleyes: **Rhapsody** , while there is justification to say the current administration is filled with thugs and crooks, there is NO justification in calling for their violent removal, NEVER forget that people fought and died to give us the power to remove them through peaceful means. ---
**Author:** ![caracal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/91b2a8/32.png) [@caracal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/caracal)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2002, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-bush-and-america-trying-to-fulfil-some-biblical-prophecies/126004/22 "2002-08-29T05:58:51Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Rhapsody \* > \*\* I hope someone with a high powered rifle finds them… \*\* Good way to get the Secret Service interested in you. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2002, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-bush-and-america-trying-to-fulfil-some-biblical-prophecies/126004/23 "2002-08-29T08:03:46Z")
**Havel** , you’re not by any chance related to [**ukchristian**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=132960), are you? ---
**Author:** ![zut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zut/32/2875_2.png) [@zut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zut)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2002, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-bush-and-america-trying-to-fulfil-some-biblical-prophecies/126004/24 "2002-08-29T13:11:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Revtim \* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Netbrian \* > > I did learn something though… Apparently “Homosexuality” is one of the riders of the Apocalypse. 🙂 > > I bet he’s the one wearing chaps. Someone’s confusing the Four Horsemen of the Apocolypse with the Six Guys from the Village People. ---
**Author:** ![Sparc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Sparc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparc)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2002, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-bush-and-america-trying-to-fulfil-some-biblical-prophecies/126004/25 "2002-08-29T13:40:05Z")
> [@](#): > > _revtim_ > > I thought I saw a poll recently where a frighteningly large percent of Americans though America should support Irael to fulfill biblical prophesy. Why did you have to do that? Now I will wait for your cite. It won’t come and then I’ll go nuts wondering if this piece of somewhat bizarre information means that 1%, or 10%, or 70% of America are wearing hats made out of King James Bible pages… Sparc P.S. To make an efficient Apocalypse hat, always choose the last three pages of Genesis and combine those with all of Revelations, make the brim out of the Book of Daniel and if in an extra golden Rapture mood attach a decorative featherlike panache made out of Joel 3, Isaiah 24-27, Ezekiel 38-39, Mat 24-25, and Luke 21. D.S. ---
**Author:** ![APB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8e8cbc/32.png) [@APB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/APB)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2002, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-bush-and-america-trying-to-fulfil-some-biblical-prophecies/126004/26 "2002-08-29T14:22:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Revtim \* > \*\*I thought I saw a poll recently where a frighteningly large percent of Americans though America should support Irael to fulfill biblical prophesy. No, I have no sites, nor remember what the percentage was. A quick Google search didn’t come up with anything, maybe I’ll find something later and come back to the this thread. \*\* Was it, by any chance, the poll referred to here? [http://www.pubtheo.com/page.asp?PID=1086](http://www.pubtheo.com/page.asp?PID=1086) ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2002, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-bush-and-america-trying-to-fulfil-some-biblical-prophecies/126004/27 "2002-08-29T14:38:27Z")
That is very probably it **APB** , thanks! It says: > [@](#): > > 36% of those polled who support Israel say they do so because they believe in biblical prophecies that Jews must control Israel before Christ will come again. It seems likely to me that I originally had misread the results as “36% of ALL THOSE POLLED” instead of “36% of those polled who support Israel”. Still kinda discouraging, IMO, but not as bad I originally remembered. ---
**Author:** ![Sparc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Sparc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparc)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2002, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-bush-and-america-trying-to-fulfil-some-biblical-prophecies/126004/28 "2002-08-29T14:45:04Z")
> [@](#): > > “36% of those polled who support Israel”. How many supported Isarael (whatever that means in context of the poll)? I tried to find the survey on CNN, but drew blank. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2002, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-bush-and-america-trying-to-fulfil-some-biblical-prophecies/126004/29 "2002-08-29T15:02:19Z")
Yeah, I couldn’t find that either. ---
**Author:** ![Papermache\_Prince](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f05b48/32.png) [@Papermache\_Prince](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Papermache_Prince)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2002, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-bush-and-america-trying-to-fulfil-some-biblical-prophecies/126004/30 "2002-08-29T17:11:18Z")
## Here’s the [Time magazine article](http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101020701/story.html) by Nancy Gibbs. Not intending a hijack, but I can’t keep the following to myself. Third paragraph, page 1: “By day, he [Doron Strandberg] is fixing planes at Offutt Air Force Base in Bellevue, Neb. But in his off-hours, he’s the webmaster at [raptureready.com](http://raptureready.com) and the inventor of the Rapture Index, which he calls a “Dow Jones Industrial Average of End Time activity.”” Jump to sixth paragraph, second page of the article: "Even the horror of Sept. 11 was experienced differently by people primed to see God’s hand in all things. Strandberg admits that he was “joyful” that the attacks could be a sign that the End Times were at hand. “A lot of prophetic commentators have what I consider a phony sadness over certain events,” he says. “In their hearts they know it means them getting closer to their ultimate desire.” ---
**Author:** ![Havel.2002](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6bbea6/32.png) [@Havel.2002](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Havel.2002)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2002, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-bush-and-america-trying-to-fulfil-some-biblical-prophecies/126004/31 "2002-08-29T19:04:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Revtim \* > \*\*I thought I saw a poll recently where a frighteningly large percent of Americans though America should support Irael to fulfill biblical prophesy. No, I have no sites, nor remember what the percentage was. A quick Google search didn’t come up with anything, maybe I’ll find something later and come back to the this thread. \*\* Exactly what I mean ---
**Author:** ![Havel.2002](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6bbea6/32.png) [@Havel.2002](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Havel.2002)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2002, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-bush-and-america-trying-to-fulfil-some-biblical-prophecies/126004/32 "2002-08-29T19:16:53Z")
about 10% have most sypathy for Israel in my country and avery large majority of those are evangelical christians. These people will stop at nothing. they have no limits ---
**Author:** ![Havel.2002](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6bbea6/32.png) [@Havel.2002](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Havel.2002)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2002, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-bush-and-america-trying-to-fulfil-some-biblical-prophecies/126004/33 "2002-08-29T19:21:17Z")
Here are a movie that’s related to the thread I made [http://us.imdb.com/Title?0101897](http://us.imdb.com/Title?0101897) ---
**Author:** ![Beagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Beagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beagle)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2002, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-bush-and-america-trying-to-fulfil-some-biblical-prophecies/126004/34 "2002-08-29T19:26:45Z")
> [@](#): > > Not intending a hijack No, really, go ahead. No air marshals on this thread. Someone explain how you worry about homosexuality, abortion, adultery, and Christian fundamentalism in the same post. Please. I don’t expect **Rhapsody** to be filling in the location part of the profile. [sub]He whispered into his lapel pin.[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2002, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-bush-and-america-trying-to-fulfil-some-biblical-prophecies/126004/35 "2002-08-29T19:30:36Z")
I ain’t a-worryin’ until the Rapture! [sub]Then we’ll be free of all the pesky fundamentalists[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Havel.2002](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6bbea6/32.png) [@Havel.2002](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Havel.2002)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2002, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-bush-and-america-trying-to-fulfil-some-biblical-prophecies/126004/36 "2002-08-29T20:12:35Z")
let’s stick to the 36% of those polled who support Israel because they believe in biblical prophecies - or 36% of those who support Israel (I’ll bet they are the majority of the supporters anyway) ---
**Author:** ![sqweels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f19dbf/32.png) [@sqweels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sqweels)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2002, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-bush-and-america-trying-to-fulfil-some-biblical-prophecies/126004/37 "2002-08-29T21:42:23Z")
> [@](#): > > Would you go to a man’s ex-wife to find out what kind of person he is? Well, she knows him well, and though she may or may not be biased, his current wife–and the man himself–certainly will be. ---
**Author:** ![sqweels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f19dbf/32.png) [@sqweels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sqweels)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2002, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-bush-and-america-trying-to-fulfil-some-biblical-prophecies/126004/38 "2002-08-29T21:49:00Z")
Good gravy, did I just post a response in the wrong thread? Mods, delete the sumbitch! ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2002, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-bush-and-america-trying-to-fulfil-some-biblical-prophecies/126004/39 "2002-08-29T22:07:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Havel.2002 \* > \*\*Here are a movie that’s related to the thread I made > > [http://us.imdb.com/Title?0101897](http://us.imdb.com/Title?0101897) \*\* that movie is okay, but this one is better: [http://us.imdb.com/Title?0263728](http://us.imdb.com/Title?0263728) Best Christian film ever! ---
**Author:** ![sqweels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f19dbf/32.png) [@sqweels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sqweels)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2002, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-bush-and-america-trying-to-fulfil-some-biblical-prophecies/126004/40 "2002-08-29T22:23:26Z")
Now then… Many evangelical Christians believe that during the “end times” there will be a one-world government ruled by the Antichrist. Many of these believe that any internationalist movement or organization which seems to point in that direction is the work of the Antichrist or the Devil. I haven’t heard any smoking-gun rhetoric linking opposition to internationalism to bible prophecy from any prominent Republicans, but Rep. Bob Barr did reveal that U.S. opposition to the International Criminal Court was designed to thwart “those who would create a one-world government”. The paranoia is clearly there. Another Christian conspiracy theorist put it like this: “Worldly” is the opposite of “Godly”. Therefore, the World, and anything which represents, encompasses, or symbolizes the World is Satanic. This includes the UN, multiculturalism, and environmentalism–which is characterized as “Gaia worship”, and we all know that any false god or godess is really Satan. Only Jesus can unite the World, they say, and will do so after the Second Coming. Any premature efforts by man to do so would be evil. These sentiments _might_ be subtly underlying the Bush Administration’s stance toward the rest of the World. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-bush-and-america-trying-to-fulfil-some-biblical-prophecies/126004.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-bush-and-america-trying-to-fulfil-some-biblical-prophecies/126004.md?page=3)