Are buskers better than panhandlers?

Over here, buskers are few, and the ones who do appear generally get some pretty odd looks, be they Thai or farang (Westerner).

Beggars are legion, but I never give to them, because they are not allowed to keep it themselves. It’s straight out of Dickens. Highly organized, and they all have minders. They turn in their money at the end of the day. I mean really, doesn’t anyone wonder just HOW that man with no arms and no legs managed to get up to the very middle of the street walkover. A genuine beggar would be seriously injured or even killed for muscling in on the gang’s territory. I’ve given to people whom I judged to be real beggars-in-need in countries like Nepal and Cambodia, but in Bangkok, forget it.

And they’re not even Thai for the most part! They actually bring in beggars from Cambodia to work the streets for them. There are round-ups from time to time, and the authorities in one instance put all of the Cambodian beggars on a plane and flew them back to Phnom Penh for that government to deal with. Talk about a treat! It was their first plane ride ever, and they were like giggly tourists. I’ve no doubt many have been brought back.

The beggars here tend to work in regular themes. Some months, it’s young women with babies. Sometimes with puppies. Sometimes amputees. Changes from month to month. The babies are often borrowed or rented. In Pattaya, they recentle arrested a transvestite beggar who was workig the crowds with a baby. He had rented the kid from a friend for 500 baht a day. (500 baht is about US$15 at the current exchange rate.) At one point, I was on nodding terms with one lady who was stationed for years in the same spot with the same fake gashing leg wound. Another I came to know on sight sat in the same spot for years at Victory Monument with a sign in Thai saying he needed money for busfare to get home upcountry.

In the lower Sukhumvit area, there’s a well-known gang of small Cambodian children, about 10 or 11 years old. They’ll hit a farang up for money (lots of farangs in this area), looking all sad-eyed, will even make hand motions to his or her mouth about needing something to eat. If the farang foolishly pulls out his wallet instead of some change from his pocket, another of the urchins waiting close by will race past and grab it, or even a cellphone if it’s now exposed. Oddly, the police somehow just haven’t been able to do anything about them. Kickbacks to them, no doubt.

I remember a family of Indian beggars who worked Khao San Road. The mother could be seen picking the kids up around 1 or 2am. A time or two I offered to buy one kid something to eat rather than give money, but he only wanted money. Had to keep working the crowd or else get beaten by mommy and daddy. A similar family works near Nana Plaza.

Most pathetic of all are the farang beggars. I cannot imagine coming to a Third World country to beg on the streets. They are rare, but I always simply advise them to contact their embassy if they need help. Some are flat-out con artists. There’s been the same Frenchman stationed at different Skytrain stations for at least a year now with a sign saying he needs airfare to return home. He runs if you try to take a photo, but he has been photographed, and I’ve seen the pictures online.

There was one lady who used to hang out in the airport. Claimed to be South African. Would approach farangs and say she’d been robbed of everything – money, plane ticket, passport – and she needed money. She would have some ready excuse for why she could not contact the police, not even right there at the airport. She disappeared after becoming too well known, but I’ve heard of a lady of similar description hitting up farangs near the Royal Plaza.

Another Frenchman would do the same at different bus stops along Sukhumvit Road, which is home to many farangs. Had a tale of woe of being robbed of everything but could not contact the authorities for this or that reason. One farang reported that he gave him some money once, and then the guy hit him up with the same story again about six weeks later! The con man failed to recognize him from before.

Lately, a Brit has been working the train station in Bangkok. One backpacking couple said the guy’s story sounded very convincing. They gave him some money, then when they returned from Cambodia later in their trip, actually saw him again in the Khao San Road area, wher the backpackers stay. He did recognize them but persisted with his story, said yeah, he was just waiting for his new passport to come through the embassy and he was making it okay, blah blah blah, but could they slip him maybe a 100 baht or so more. They said he was usually slightly drunk whenever they saw him. One couple in the train station refused to believe his story, and apparently he became obnoxious, following them around persistently. He was spotted, too, in a nice restaurant with an expensive-looking Thai lady, and he paid the bill.

Yes, there’s quite an assortment of characters over here. Panhandlers make up a whole category of their own. Never a boring place.

I would say that a moderately competent busker with any sense of taste adds to the ambiance of a public place. A panhandler does not.

Well, yeah, OK, I didn’t say this covered all possible situations. Of course no one wants to be a captive audience. I was talking about guys out on the street.

Yea, I remember walking right past the guy and not giving him a second glance :frowning: In my defense I was far from the only one and at that hour in the morning I haven’t had my coffee yet so I was kind of out of it.

What a fun story. I would not have been one to stop and listen. Why? Because usually I’m on my way somewhere. That is just part of life. If I had no where else to be, I probably wouldn’t have been down there in the first place.

I used to take the A train every day, and the hip hop kids on there are really annoying! I never saw them kick anyone, but I saw them come close. And they never seemed to make any money off their “captive audience.” Grrr. On the other hand, there’s a very sweet older gentleman who plays the accordion or the violin every evening at the 68th street 6 train station, and I’ve given him money. He’s good, and he plays right at the entrance, so even if you don’t like his playing, you don’t have to hear him for long.

I was going to go one year, but I could never quite scrape the bus fare together.

Common scams I saw on the A train:

  1. We’re selling candy for school basketball uniforms.
  2. I’ll be honest. I’m not selling candy for school basketball uniforms. I’m selling candy to make some money for myself (this one I kind of liked).
  3. I’m handing out sandwiches to the homeless. Here is my prop sandwich. Is anyone hungry? Please give me donations for more sandwiches for the homeless.
  4. Black man with sign reading “United Negro Pizza Fund”. (Also somewhat witty).
  5. Woman handing putting cards on people’s legs reading something like “I am deaf. Please help me out” and collecting money while she got the cards back one by one.

In Nashville, Buskers are as thick as lice on a stray dog, & about as welcome.

Most (99%) of them aren’t even good enough to be in a garage band, much less “hit it big” material.

Kinder to send em home.

I recall an old issue of *National Lampoon * magazine that featured a card you could cut out and hand to panhandlers attempting this scam. Like many of the “real” cards, it had a handy diagram of sign language, but the “alphabet” on this one spelled out

G-E-T-A-J-O-B-A-S-S-H-O-L-E

…if you give statue people money, generally they will do something. Sometimes, something entertaining.

IMO, no one should ever feel any obligation to give to buskers.

I’m a fairly serious amateur musician. I play plenty of paid venues, but I occasionally busk.

Not for the money (I have a well-paying job as an electrical engineer).

But busking offers a unique opportunity to find which parts of my repertoire people like and don’t like, without the constraints found on paid gigs.

E.g., I can play songs people probably haven’t heard (to include my own) without the implicit pressure to “play some Skynyrd”. I can also play the same twenty minutes of material over and over, because of the transient audience.

People turning their heads to listen for a few seconds (or ignoring me as they walk past) give me something worth more than money. (Although I’d be lying if I said it wasn’t an ego boost when they do drop a dollar in my guitar case).

While it can be hard to be heard on the street, a good busker NEVER annoys. I play only acoustic instruments, and set up so that I’m never too close to people passing.

Any busker who annoys or threatens should be shunned, and maybe arrested. People who try to blur the line between panhandling/mugging and busking are the reason places pass laws against busking.

I could opine about panhandlers who interrupt buskers to ask for money, but I’d need to do it in the Pit.

You think that’s bad?

That’s the first time a video has made me do the pained “OOOHHH!!!” out loud.

Did you ever see the guy who plays the saxophone there?

Not only is his playing atrocious…
Not only does he play the same damn thing over and over and over…
But the song that he plays over and over?

TAKE THE A TRAIN!

That’s right. This jackass plays “Take the A Train” on the platform for the 6 train! That shit ain’t right!

I have no idea why this cheeses me off so much, but it really does.
I definitely think buskers are better than panhandlers. I never give panhandlers money. I give buskers money fairly frequently. But I never give that stupid saxophone guy any money. :stuck_out_tongue:

This guy isn’t doing anything, but I’d give him money when I normally wouldn’t for a panhandler.

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Well, it’s like Chris Rock says - if you have a clever sign, your ass ain’t been homeless long enough.

There was a news story about some company – I’m thinking it was in Seattle, not sure – that paid homeless guys money to hold signs advertising it. That actually proved controversial, but it did give the homeless men something to do for pay.

I think the same company also rented ad space on the sides of farmers’ cows.

There was a woman working one of the busy intersections around here that had only one leg. She carried a sign that said, “On my last leg”. I’d give her a few bucks to let me take her picture. Haven’t seen her lately though.

Yes. In Concarneau last year we met a Capt. Jack Sparrow statue, and he was good. My seven-year-old was convinced he had met a real pirate. :smiley: