# Are Collins and Murkowski serious about an alternative law to protect women's rights **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 12, 2022, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-collins-and-murkowski-serious-about-an-alternative-law-to-protect-womens-rights/964312 "2022-05-12T03:52:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2022, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-collins-and-murkowski-serious-about-an-alternative-law-to-protect-womens-rights/964312/21 "2022-05-12T18:31:31Z")
That makes no sense. It means an injunction can last forever with no legal recourse. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2022, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-collins-and-murkowski-serious-about-an-alternative-law-to-protect-womens-rights/964312/22 "2022-05-12T18:44:22Z")
An injunction is issued relative to a court case. When the case is resolved, the injunction goes away, since either it’s effects are permanent due to winning the case or they are no longer in effect because the case was lost. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2022, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-collins-and-murkowski-serious-about-an-alternative-law-to-protect-womens-rights/964312/23 "2022-05-13T05:26:51Z")
Amanda Marcotte, writing at Salon (and republished at Raw Story) has a few words to say about this: > **[Susan Collins goes full MAGA on abortion](https://www.rawstory.com/susan-collins-goes-full-maga-on-abortion/)** > > Republican Sen. Susan Collins still wants voters to believe she is pro-choice. During the hearings for Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh, Collins defended her decision to vote for the Federalist Society-linked judge by claiming to believe his... Marcotte asks: Is Collins that big an idiot, or is she that big a liar? She is of the opinion that Collins is much more the liar than the idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2022, 9:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-collins-and-murkowski-serious-about-an-alternative-law-to-protect-womens-rights/964312/24 "2022-05-13T09:18:45Z")
> [@](#): > > Are Collins and Murkowski serious about anything at all except continuing to barricade themselves in their offices at all costs? No, they are not. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2022, 9:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-collins-and-murkowski-serious-about-an-alternative-law-to-protect-womens-rights/964312/25 "2022-05-13T09:55:33Z")
Collins takes these things very seriously. Satire below. > **[Susan Collins Calls 911 After Receiving Copy of Constitution in Mail](https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/susan-collins-calls-911-after-receiving-copy-of-constitution-in-mail)** > > “I had never read it before, so it took me a moment to figure out what it was,” the senator from Maine said. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2022, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-collins-and-murkowski-serious-about-an-alternative-law-to-protect-womens-rights/964312/26 "2022-05-13T11:38:40Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > I think Murkowski probably genuinely is more genuinely pro-choice–she actually would have a much easier life in Alaska if she was a firebreather, but she’s also not willing to absolutely buck her party, Actually, because Alaska now uses rank-choice voting in the primaries, Murkowski doesn’t have to worry as much as most Republican officeholders about emulating a fire-breather to avoid being outflanked by a real one. (According to an excellent article in this month’s “Atlantic,” about the corrosive effects of social media on democracy and fellowship in the US.) ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2022, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-collins-and-murkowski-serious-about-an-alternative-law-to-protect-womens-rights/964312/27 "2022-05-13T15:16:23Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > Marcotte asks: Is Collins that big an idiot, or is she that big a liar? She is of the opinion that Collins is much more the liar than the idiot. Thats what I was wondering, is Collins an idiot or a liar? But yes liar seems much more likely. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2022, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-collins-and-murkowski-serious-about-an-alternative-law-to-protect-womens-rights/964312/28 "2022-05-13T15:44:09Z")
I’m not sure that those are exclusive options, and evidence seems to favor both. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2022, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-collins-and-murkowski-serious-about-an-alternative-law-to-protect-womens-rights/964312/29 "2022-05-13T17:33:26Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > I’m not sure that those are exclusive options, and evidence seems to favor both.   Note that the way I worded my post, it was not exclusively one or the other – just _more_ the liar than idiot – I think that accurately expresses the arguments Marcotte was making. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-collins-and-murkowski-serious-about-an-alternative-law-to-protect-womens-rights/964312.md?page=1)