# Are female athletes trying to destroy male culture?
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-female-athletes-trying-to-destroy-male-culture/190759
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [July 25, 2003, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-female-athletes-trying-to-destroy-male-culture/190759 "2003-07-25T00:00:20Z")
**Posts on this page:** 19
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### Author:  [@Wolfian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolfian)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2003, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-female-athletes-trying-to-destroy-male-culture/190759/21 "2003-07-25T03:06:23Z")
Totally off topic: That was post #667? Crap! I wanted to do something cool with post #666 or at least notice I was on 666. Oh well. Back to the boobs. Er, balls. Er, something.
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### Author:  [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2003, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-female-athletes-trying-to-destroy-male-culture/190759/22 "2003-07-25T03:17:32Z")
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> It just reinforces to me that dear old Phyllis has the intellect of the orange juice she used to hawk. There might be an argument to be made here, but clearly she’s not the one to make it. I assume she didn’t take logic in college . . . probably too busy chasing the quarterback, like the good conservative she is.
**Jodi** , you rule.
Schafly has always been a self-loathing female. Remember her radical anti-ERA campaign?
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### Author:  [@Fionn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fionn)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2003, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-female-athletes-trying-to-destroy-male-culture/190759/23 "2003-07-25T03:20:21Z")
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> \*Originally posted by wakimika \*
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> Is this really Dave Barry? \*\*
I don’t think so, as there’s a suspicious lack of booger jokes.
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### Author:  [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2003, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-female-athletes-trying-to-destroy-male-culture/190759/24 "2003-07-25T03:22:55Z")
I find the “Women collegiate athletes don’t chase quarterbacks” claim particularly strange, since in fact women collegiate athletes quite often date male collegiate athletes. That softball pitcher who went to the All-Star team is dating a guy in her school’s baseball team. All the female athletes at my alma mater that I knew dated a fellow athlete at least once.
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### Author:  [@TeaElle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TeaElle)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2003, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-female-athletes-trying-to-destroy-male-culture/190759/25 "2003-07-25T03:31:08Z")
Phyllis was obviously one of those girls who was never taught how to throw a ball and was made fun of for the funny way she ran. Consequently, she became a young woman who feigned disinterest in sports by claiming that it woud ruin her hair and her makeup and eww, sports make you _sweaty_.
And now, as a supposedly Christian, nominally conservative old hag, she’s made the inevitable final step – an underhanded suggestion that female athletes are just a bunch of lesbians who hate men and want to destroy everything that makes them men – worse, makes them good (read: conservative) men. :rolleyes:
If she didn’t really mean this crap, it’d be funnier than anything ever produced by Dave Barry or even Jerry Seinfeld.
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### Author:  [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2003, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-female-athletes-trying-to-destroy-male-culture/190759/26 "2003-07-25T03:51:56Z")
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> It just reinforces to me that dear old Phyllis has the intellect of the orange juice she used to hawk.
Actually, I believe you’re thinking of Anita Bryant.
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### Author:  [@capacitor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/capacitor)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2003, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-female-athletes-trying-to-destroy-male-culture/190759/27 "2003-07-25T04:12:43Z")
I am just glad that Phyllis is not raggingon women’s wrestling taking up valuable time for the men on _Monday Night Raw_, especially when a conservative Christian (Molly) is leading the way.
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### Author:  [@Little\_Plastic\_Ninja](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Plastic_Ninja)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2003, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-female-athletes-trying-to-destroy-male-culture/190759/28 "2003-07-25T04:15:28Z")
Ugh, old Phyll has always been like this. She doesn’t get why women might actually not all be happy with the wife-and-mother role that’s so OBVIOUSLY what we SHOULD want…
Sigh.
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### Author:  [@wireless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wireless)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2003, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-female-athletes-trying-to-destroy-male-culture/190759/29 "2003-07-25T13:49:30Z")
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> \*Phyllis Schlafly \*
> \*\*College football produces social conservatives such as Jack Kemp, Steve Largent, J.C. Watts and the late Supreme Court Justice Byron White.
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And OJ, and those Florida football players who gang-raped that female student, and … (too lazy to get more examples).
Whatever one’s position on Title IX, gotta admit Phyllis’ logic needs to go back to school.
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### Author:  [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2003, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-female-athletes-trying-to-destroy-male-culture/190759/30 "2003-07-25T14:18:00Z")
I’m wondering if the whole “female athletes don’t date the quarterback” is Schlaffly’s oh-so-subtle way of hinting that female athletics, in general, are a refuge for _gasp_ lesbians?
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### Author:  [@Captain\_Lance\_Murdoch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Lance_Murdoch)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2003, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-female-athletes-trying-to-destroy-male-culture/190759/31 "2003-07-25T14:50:19Z")
If male athletes act like men, what do male non-athletes act like? What do female athletes act like?
Male athletes date cheerleaders. George W. Bush was a cheerleader. Therefore…
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### Author:  [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2003, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-female-athletes-trying-to-destroy-male-culture/190759/32 "2003-07-25T16:21:50Z")
**RA:** _Kimstu, and others, in the column Phyllis Schlafly describes a situation where the number of female participants in sports must be proportional to their numbers in the student population, not proportional spending._
You’re right, but she is incorrectly claiming that that condition is necessary for an institution to be in compliance with Title IX. Actually, the “three-pronged compliance test” for Title IX requires that an institution satisfy at least **one** of the following criteria for “providing equal athletic opportunities for men and women”:
1. making the ratio of male to female athletes equal to the ratio of male to female students;
2. fully accomodating female students’ interest in athletics, even if there are proportionately fewer female athletes than male athletes;
3. making progress in providing more opportunities for female athletes, even if it can’t yet fully accomodate their interest.
Many institutions try to “play it safe” by implementing option 1 automatically, which usually (since most colleges are about 50-50 male/female) means equalizing athletics spending for men’s and women’s teams so there can be the same number of male and female athletes.
If there isn’t enough money to give the women equal funding, or not enough female athletes to spend it on, then it’s bye-bye wrestling, men’s volleyball, men’s gymnastics… whatever it takes to make the numbers equal.
This is indeed deplorable, but I don’t think we need to blame Title IX for it, much less invoke some hypothetical Evil Feminist Conspiracy to destroy male culture by taking away their locker rooms. On the other hand, what else would we expect from Schlafly?
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### Author:  [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2003, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-female-athletes-trying-to-destroy-male-culture/190759/33 "2003-07-25T16:47:27Z")
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> \*Originally posted by rogzilla \*
> \*\*If male athletes act like men, what do male non-athletes act like? What do female athletes act like?
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> Male athletes date cheerleaders. George W. Bush was a cheerleader. Therefore… \*\*
Um, aren’t you thinking of Trent Lott? Or was Dubya a cheerleader too?
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### Author:  [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2003, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-female-athletes-trying-to-destroy-male-culture/190759/34 "2003-07-25T17:45:19Z")
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> Actually, I believe you’re thinking of Anita Bryant.
Dang, you’re right. I always mix up my shrill female anti-feminist whackos.
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### Author:  [@seal\_cleaner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/seal_cleaner)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2003, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-female-athletes-trying-to-destroy-male-culture/190759/35 "2003-07-25T19:37:20Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Lynn Bodoni \*
> \*\*Actually, I believe you’re thinking of Anita Bryant. \*\*
I know I sure am. Oh…Anita…
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### Author:  [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)
#### Post date: [July 25, 2003, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-female-athletes-trying-to-destroy-male-culture/190759/36 "2003-07-25T22:53:09Z")
Listen, if there’s one thing we can do to hold on to our last shreds of heterosexuality in this country, it would be to abolish wrestling. If there is there a more homoerotic sport than wrestling, I surely don’t want to know about it.
So three cheers for Title IX, for prevention of confusing emotions in our youth!
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### Author:  [@Doomtrain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doomtrain)
#### Post date: [July 26, 2003, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-female-athletes-trying-to-destroy-male-culture/190759/37 "2003-07-26T00:55:50Z")
Seriously, if women want to get involved with men at their worst–and I’ve been in a locker room after a game, it’s not a pretty place–more power to em.
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### Author:  [@St.Urho](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/St.Urho)
#### Post date: [July 26, 2003, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-female-athletes-trying-to-destroy-male-culture/190759/38 "2003-07-26T18:56:01Z")
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> **college wrestling programs brought us conservative stalwarts Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Speaker Dennis Hastert.**
And let’s not forget that other conservative stalwart Paul Wellstone, who was also a wrestler.
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### Author:  [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)
#### Post date: [July 26, 2003, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-female-athletes-trying-to-destroy-male-culture/190759/39 "2003-07-26T19:01:09Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Wolfian \*
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> > \*\ ***Burp** Hey, check out the redhead with the gorgeous ta-tas over there! \*\*
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> \*\*Cite?
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> Pretty please? \*\*
[Here.](http://www.thephotogallery.net/gallery/angie_everhart/aat)
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