# Are Han Solo/Indiana Jones "misogynist" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 8, 2015, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-han-solo-indiana-jones-misogynist/724618 "2015-07-08T22:35:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2015, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-han-solo-indiana-jones-misogynist/724618/41 "2015-07-10T00:35:39Z")
> [@MEBuckner](#): > > I admit, she was pretty tart with Luke and Han. On the other hand, their plan _was_ kind of half-baked. I mean, getting _in_ to the detention block is usually not really the hard part. She’d also been tortured prior to watching the destruction of her home planet. She may have just been having a bit of an “off” day when they showed up. ---
**Author:** ![Robert163](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Robert163](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert163)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2015, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-han-solo-indiana-jones-misogynist/724618/42 "2015-07-10T00:37:44Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > She’d also been tortured prior to watching the destruction of her home planet. She may have just been having a bit of an “off” day when they showed up. nah, shes pretty much a bitch in all 3 films… ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2015, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-han-solo-indiana-jones-misogynist/724618/43 "2015-07-10T01:33:57Z")
> [@Robert163](#): > > nah, shes pretty much a bitch in all 3 films… Post-traumatic stress from being tortured and then watching your entire homeworld be blown to bits isn’t something you just “snap out of”. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2015, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-han-solo-indiana-jones-misogynist/724618/44 "2015-07-10T03:28:59Z")
Can we agree that “sexist” and “misogynist” are not synonyms? Misogynists hate women. All misogynists are sexists. But plenty of sexist people aren’t misogynists. There are lots of sexists who love women and being around women. Heck, there are plenty of sexists who believe women are superior to men. Having nutty ideas about women makes you sexist, it might or might not make you misogynist. ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2015, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-han-solo-indiana-jones-misogynist/724618/45 "2015-07-10T03:38:19Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > I looked up the script for A New Hope. There’s really not all that much dialog between Han and Leia, but here’s a few select quotes: > > ```auto > > HAN > (pointing to Luke) > He's the brains, sweetheart. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > HAN > Absolutely, Your Worship. Look, I > had everything under control until > you led us down here. You know, it's > not going to take them long to figure > out what happened to us. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > HAN > If we can just avoid any more female > advice, we ought to be able to get > out of here. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > HAN > Look, Your Worshipfulness, let's get > one thing straight! I take orders > from one person! Me! > > LEIA > It's a wonder you're still alive. > (looking at Chewie) > Will somebody get this big walking > carpet out of my way? > > Han watches her start away. He looks at Luke. > > HAN > No reward is worth this. > > ``` Leia sure comes off er speciesist, or whatever you’d call it. I’m sure calling Wookies walking carpets is their version of a racist slur. ---
**Author:** ![Ranchoth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranchoth/32/1066_2.png) [@Ranchoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranchoth)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2015, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-han-solo-indiana-jones-misogynist/724618/46 "2015-07-10T04:26:02Z")
> [@grude](#): > > Leia sure comes off er speciesist, or whatever you’d call it. I’m sure calling Wookies walking carpets is their version of a racist slur. She also called Han the “N” word, in anger. ---
**Author:** ![actualliberalnotoneofthose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e79b87/32.png) [@actualliberalnotoneofthose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/actualliberalnotoneofthose)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2015, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-han-solo-indiana-jones-misogynist/724618/47 "2015-07-10T05:41:34Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > , a lot of women sure crush hard for misogynists. That is true. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2015, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-han-solo-indiana-jones-misogynist/724618/48 "2015-07-10T06:00:20Z")
> [@Ranchoth](#): > > She also called Han the “N” word, in anger. [“You can’t use that word. Only we can use that word.”](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UawSjQxqbfE) ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2015, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-han-solo-indiana-jones-misogynist/724618/49 "2015-07-10T06:09:05Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > Can we agree that “sexist” and “misogynist” are not synonyms? Yes, but only because sexist can include hating men. I view the hole “hatred” thing to be like those who say they aren’t racist because they don’t hate people of other races. Something that is sexist against women is misogynist. Something that is sexist against men is misandrist. I see no reason to distinguish between really hating women (or men) and thinking they are inferior. All that succeeds in doing is making misogynist a word you can’t use. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2015, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-han-solo-indiana-jones-misogynist/724618/50 "2015-07-10T06:14:25Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > But that becomes problematic for any new films because they’re going to need to revise the character in accordance with modern day sensibilities and that fundamentally changes Han Solo into an entirely different character. He wasn’t a well-rounded, complex man. He was a copy-paste of a known, concrete archetype from noir and two-bit serials put into a space ship. Harrison Ford did a good job of making that character come off as someone likable, rather than as Flash Gordon! HERO FROM SPAAAAAACE, but there’s still the character on the page, who is in fact Flash Gordon! HERO FROM SPAAAAAACE. And writing him as something other than that becomes **not** Han Solo. Why? He’s just Han Solo having grown up a bit. I know a lot of people who would say stuff like that when they were young but now won’t, and yet they still seem like the same person. They’re just less brash. The idea that you must be slightly misogynist to be the Flash Gordon Hero character is silly. Though maybe that will be what Han has to deal with–it’s a nice character arc to figure that out. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2015, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-han-solo-indiana-jones-misogynist/724618/51 "2015-07-10T06:21:40Z")
Solo’s a’ight. Jones is a chauvinist prick, but then so are 90% of action heroes (100% if we restrict ourselves to the 80s-90s). [QUOTE=Larry Borgia] That said, your opinion of Han Solo might change a little bit when you realize his real world equivalent is a cross border trucker who won his rig in a shady poker game, frequently works for drug cartels, and killed a guy in a bar. [/QUOTE] In cahoots with illegal emigrants, too. ---
**Author:** ![Melbourne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5e925/32.png) [@Melbourne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Melbourne)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2015, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-han-solo-indiana-jones-misogynist/724618/52 "2015-07-10T13:26:15Z")
I’m not a fan of the word “misogynist”. Normally, I think you’ve lost the argument when you start using that word. But that scene where IJ is lecturing to a room full of immature undergraduates (and one gay guy) all hopelessly infatuated with him… at some point, you’ve gonna start hating people like that. So yes, based on that one scene alone, I’ve got to suspect that Indiana Jones is misogynist. ---
**Author:** ![Aquadementia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aquadementia/32/555_2.png) [@Aquadementia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aquadementia)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2015, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-han-solo-indiana-jones-misogynist/724618/53 "2015-07-10T13:53:37Z")
> [@MEBuckner](#): > > Well, now, insulting a slimy Space Nazi to his face when you’ve been taken prisoner in his sinister [del]castle[/del] “battle station” (the “foul stench” line) is one thing–that’s heroically defiant and plucky and all. She must always have been like this. When Tarkin says “Charming to the last” you can tell this isn’t the first time he’s had to deal with this particular type of charm. > [@Miller](#): > > She’d also been tortured… You don’t want to undermine how a father disciplines his children. Well, at least a long time ago you didn’t. > [@Miller](#): > > …prior to watching the destruction of her home planet. She may have just been having a bit of an “off” day when they showed up. It’s kind of her fault that the planet was blown up. When Tarkin says “Continue with the operation. You may fire when ready… Dantooine is too remote to make an effective demonstration.” what he is really saying if you read between the lines is “We are in the **DEATH STAR** in orbit over your home planet yet it’s more important to you to hit they guy with his finger on the trigger with stench smack then protect the lives of billions of people. So if anyone asks you ‘what ever happened to Alderaan?’ you can tell them that this is on you.” Jeez Princess, I guess you never heard that you can catch more flies with honey then vinegar. ---
**Author:** ![Ranchoth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranchoth/32/1066_2.png) [@Ranchoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranchoth)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2015, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-han-solo-indiana-jones-misogynist/724618/54 "2015-07-10T18:04:08Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Yes, but only because sexist can include hating men. I view the hole “hatred” thing to be like those who say they aren’t racist because they don’t hate people of other races. > > Something that is sexist against women is misogynist. Something that is sexist against men is misandrist. I see no reason to distinguish between really hating women (or men) and thinking they are inferior. All that succeeds in doing is making misogynist a word you can’t use. Beggin’ your pardon, but I feel you’re kind of missing the point of **Lemur’s** argument on the complexities of bias and prejudice. Or that you’re taking two paragraphs to say “nuh uh.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-han-solo-indiana-jones-misogynist/724618.md?page=2)