Of course not. In order to be a sandwich you first have to be edible.
What it became is origami.
Sandwich is one of those words that can refer to either a generic class or a specific instance of that class. Cat is another example; it can refer either to a common housecat or the family felidae. I’m sure there is some nice Greek term for this; tautonym is close, but only refers to biological examples.
So of course a hot dog is a sandwich, and of course I’d be confused if a friend invited me over for sandwiches and got hot dogs instead. Context matters. I might argue that sandwich can take on an even more specific meaning under some circumstances: if someone offered me “subs, sandwiches, or hotdogs”, I wouldn’t be confused, and I’d expect that the sandwiches meant ones made on sliced bread. Subs are obviously sandwiches, but when constrasted against other food items, “sandwich” takes on a slightly different meaning.
I’ve never seen a tuna melt made by putting tuna on uncooked bread dough and baking the whole thing.
Technically yes, If I want a hot dog and can’t find one at your restaurant, it’d better not be in “Sandwiches” or I’ll :dubious: so no. Neither should burgers. That’s too pedantic.
Synecdoche is related, at least.
Well, this book on the history of the hot dog, by the founder of the Culinary Historians of Chicago calls it a sandwich, so it’s good enough for me. Or just search Google books for “hot dog sandwich,” and you’ll find plenty a reference.
Do those who consider hot dogs not to be sandwich also consider lobster rolls as non-sandwiches? I suppose the answer is yes (not a sandwich), but I’d be curious to hear from those who consider lobster rolls a sandwich, but not hot dogs.
Has anyone here ever actually heard any native English speaker in any real-life context refer to a hot dog as a “sandwich”?
I sure haven’t - words derive meaning from actual use, not from theoretical/“logical” definitions.
They’re popkins.
To be honest, I wouldn’t even call a hamburger a sandwich. I don’t know any Australians who do, and McDonalds don’t market their burgers as “sandwiches” out here, either.
To me, a sandwich uses two slices from a loaf of bread with filling in between. Using a bun results in… a bun with filling, not a sandwich as such. So hotdogs aren’t sandwiches, nor are hamburgers, nor are tacos, nor are KFC Double Downs.
To the first part: Absolutely and assuredly, yes.
To the second: Actual use matters, but the conceptual meaning conveyed for a category term has to have a logic, else it can’t actually be used categorically. That is, you would be unable to describe anything new as a “sandwich” if you didn’t have a working Platonic idea of sandwichness that stood above all specific sandwiches you had encountered–but of course, we can all do just that. I gave the actual-use logic of “sandwich” at the top of the thread. All usages, except those exempted by “open-face,” conform.
I won’t place a vote in a public poll. Personal policy. But no, hot dogs are not sandwiches, nor have I ever heard them referred to as such.
What about fried or grilled chicken or fish between a bun? Is that not a sandwich in Australia? (I don’t know, but there’s absolutely no ambiguity in the US about it being a sandwich.)
Apparently there is, because down in my part of the US, no one ever called it a sandwich.
No, it’s not. Any fellow Aussies are welcome to correct me, however. If it’s in a bun and not specifically between two slices of bread, it’s a bun, not a sandwich.
OK, that’s different than US usage, then. So you call it a “chicken bun”? Yeah, we don’t have any nomenclature like that here, to my knowledge. A hamburger is not normally referred to as a sandwich, but it is a sandwich and shows up as such on fast food menus (and I do use the word “sandwich” when ordering in answer to the question “Do you want the meal?” “No, just the sandwich.” This is probably influenced by the fact that on the menu next to the meals, it says “sandwich”). A fried chicken patty on a bun, though, that is explicitly called a “chicken sandwich” typically here.
Hot dogs are American, it doesn’t matter what they’re called in Australia.
This is an international board and there was nothing in the thread asking Americans only, sorry. I just think it’s interesting that the American definition of sandwich is so broad that there’s even a debate about whether or not a hotdog is a sandwich. This is not a judgement.
Sorry, I didn’t mean anything by it. Sandwiches aren’t American, they’re English. It’s just that logic has escaped this thread. Also, Wikipedia says that things like a submarine sandwiches are called rolls where you’re from, is that accurate, and would a hot dog be a roll?
Yeah, if someone asked me if hot dogs were rolls, I’d say yes.
These threads always throw up regionalisms with people talking past each other.
Thanks for responding, that’s kind of interesting.
In this case I was being a jerk.