# Are jewish religion and ideology a threat to us all **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 27, 2002, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-jewish-religion-and-ideology-a-threat-to-us-all/100416 "2002-03-27T18:26:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ORION\_ORION](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4491bb/32.png) [@ORION\_ORION](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ORION_ORION)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2002, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-jewish-religion-and-ideology-a-threat-to-us-all/100416/1 "2002-03-27T18:26:51Z")
\*\*Professor Israel Shahak about Jewish “Religion” \*\* Book Review: > [@](#): > > When the Roman historian Tacitus pointed out 19 centuries ago that the Jews are unique among the peoples of the world in their intense hatred and contempt for all peoples but their own, he was only repeating what many other scholars had discovered before him. For the next 1,900 years other investigators came to similar conclusions, either from a study of the Jews’ religious writings or from a study of the Jews’ behavior toward non-Jews. > > Notable among these was the reformer, Martin Luther, who in 1543 wrote in “Von den Juden und Ihren Lugen”: > > "Does not their Talmud say, and do not their rabbis write, that it is no sin to kill if a Jew kills a heathen, but it is a sin if he kills a brother in Israel? It is no sin if he does not keep his oath to a heathen. Therefore, to steal and rob, as they do with their usury, from a heathen is a divine service. For they hold that they cannot be too hard on us nor sin against us, because they are of the noble blood and circumcised saints; we, however, are cursed goyim. And they are the masters of the world, and we are their servants, yea, their cattle… . ## The whole link is here: [http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/jewhis.htm](http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/jewhis.htm) **Extremism in Israel Is Fueled by a Growing Ultra-Orthodox Movement in the U.S.** > [@](#): > > … In 1980, a terrorist band known as the Jewish Underground, including an American émigré named Ezra Rapaport, tried to assassinate three Arab mayors of West Bank towns with car bombs. Two years later, another American, Alan Goodman, opened fire on Muslim worshippers at the Dome of the Rock, killing one Palestinian and provoking rioting. > The lineage of American extremists,” writes Freedman, “led directly to Kiryat Arba’s doctor, a former New Yorker named Baruch Goldstein. Goldstein studied with Meir Kahane. He closely followed Alan Goodman’s attack at the Dome of the Rock. And on Feb. 25, 1994 he enacted a more successful version of it, shooting to death 29 Muslim worshippers … ## The whole link is here: [http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/010201/0101071.html](http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/010201/0101071.html) \*\*An Assessment of the Israeli Practices on the Palestinian Agricultural Sector \*\* September 29, 2000 - December 31, 2001 ## Link: [http://www.poica.org/casestudies/agric-losses-dec01/index.htm](http://www.poica.org/casestudies/agric-losses-dec01/index.htm) **French Reports: U.S. Busts Big Israeli Spy Ring** > [@](#): > > PARIS - (Reuters) - The United States has broken up a huge Israeli spy ring that may have trailed suspected al Qaeda members in the United States without informing federal authorities, the French daily Le Monde reported Tuesday… ## The whole link: [http://www.bayarea.com/mld/bayarea/news/world/2796569.htm](http://www.bayarea.com/mld/bayarea/news/world/2796569.htm) \*\*Israeli Apartheid And Terrorism: \*\* Edward S. Herman > [@](#): > > If Jews in France were required to carry identification cards designating them Jews (even though French citizens), could not acquire land or buy or rent homes in most of the country, were not eligible for service in the armed forces, and French law banned any political party or legislation calling for equal rights for Jews, would France be widely praised in the United States as a “symbol of human decency” (New York Times) and paragon of democracy? Would there be a huge protest if France, in consequence of such laws and practices, was declared by a UN majority to be a racist state? > > The Apartheid Reality > In Israel, Arabs dwelling within the pre-1967 boundaries are subject to these forms of discrimination, and those in the occupied territories are treated far more harshly… ## The whole link: [http://www.zmag.org/zmag/articles/may94herman.htm](http://www.zmag.org/zmag/articles/may94herman.htm) [http://www.zmag.org/zmag/articles/june94herman.htm](http://www.zmag.org/zmag/articles/june94herman.htm) [http://www.zmag.org/zmag/articles/july94herman.htm](http://www.zmag.org/zmag/articles/july94herman.htm) **One Nation Under Israel** > [@](#): > > …They always get what they want. The Israelis know what is going on all the time. I got to the point where I wasn’t writing anything down. If the American people understood what a grip those people have on our government, they would rise up in arms. Our citizens don’t have any idea what goes on.’ … ## The whole link: [http://www.mideastfacts.com/hurley\_reviewed.html](http://www.mideastfacts.com/hurley_reviewed.html) Most of us have also heard about The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, but it’s unsure if this is just propaganda or not. But to return to my subject line: Are jewish religion and ideology a threat to us all ? I mean (to a degree) Yes This is a ideologi that should be watched closely. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2002, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-jewish-religion-and-ideology-a-threat-to-us-all/100416/2 "2002-03-27T18:30:52Z")
You know, it is possible to oppose Jewish and promote Palestinian views in a rational manner. Posting outright lies such as > [@](#): > > In Israel, Arabs dwelling within the pre-1967 boundaries are subject to these forms of discrimination does neither. Spreading lies and hate will do nothing to help anyone find a way to resolve the issues. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2002, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-jewish-religion-and-ideology-a-threat-to-us-all/100416/3 "2002-03-27T18:32:10Z")
Sorry I replied. Just another troll who appears to have slipped in under the gate that was damaged in the February hack. ---
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2002, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-jewish-religion-and-ideology-a-threat-to-us-all/100416/4 "2002-03-27T18:32:14Z")
> [@](#): > > Most of us have also heard about The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, but it’s unsure if this is just propaganda or not. This is unsure exactly to _whom_? The rest falls on its own merit, I believe. ---
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2002, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-jewish-religion-and-ideology-a-threat-to-us-all/100416/5 "2002-03-27T18:33:19Z")
Ugh, you and me both, **tomndebb**. ---
**Author:** ![berdollos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@berdollos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/berdollos)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2002, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-jewish-religion-and-ideology-a-threat-to-us-all/100416/6 "2002-03-27T18:45:21Z")
These anti-Semitic writings are all true. I, as a Jew, should know. I drink the blood of Christian children every Passover, actually it tastes best when it is carbonated and hot sauce is added. Also, even though my net worth is less than $50K, I am busy trying to control the world’s economy, and with my $50 contribution to Jewish charities, to control the politics of the U.S. and the world. The nice thing about anti-Semitic literature is that I feel assured how powerful and inclfuential Jewish people are. It makes me proud to realize how much control that I, as a member of a fraction of 1% of t he world’s population, am so powerful. ---
**Author:** ![Fang](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/96bed5/32.png) [@Fang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fang)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2002, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-jewish-religion-and-ideology-a-threat-to-us-all/100416/7 "2002-03-27T18:59:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by berdollos \* > \*\* > The nice thing about anti-Semitic literature is that I feel assured how powerful and inclfuential Jewish people are. \*\* That reminds me of the old joke: An old Jewish man is walking in a park. Wanting to sit down, he sees two benches, one with another old Jewish man on it, and one with a Klansman on it. To old Jewish man #2’s surprise, old Jewish man #1 sits down on the bench with the Klansman and starts talking to him. After the Klansman leaves, the one who was sitting down first comes over and says, “Shame on you. How can you talk to this awful bigot who hates us so much?” Responds #1: “You see, ifI talk to you, all I hear about is how badly we’re doing, and all the horrible things that happen. If I talk to him, I hear how we control the banks, the government the media…” ---
**Author:** ![Sweet\_Willy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sweet\_Willy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sweet_Willy)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2002, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-jewish-religion-and-ideology-a-threat-to-us-all/100416/8 "2002-03-27T20:27:44Z")
BECOMING A CITIZEN OF ISRAEL by Adam Starchild The number of U.S. citizens taking out Israeli citizenship is high. In fact in 1992 the number grew 35% over the year before, while the number from the former Soviet Union declined. Under Israeli law, the acquisition of nationality is one of the few areas in which the law differentiates between Jews and non-Jews. The Law of Return grants every Jew the right to go to Israel as an oleh (Jewish immigrant), and the Israel Nationality Law automatically confers Israeli nationality on every oleh upon entering the country unless he specifies otherwise. The law even provides that a Jew who expresses his desire to settle in Israel may be granted nationality by virtue of the Law of Return even before he physically immigrates, a clause which allows the Israeli government to issue travel documents to refugees in emergencies. Article 4A of the Law of Return extends the Jewish rights to family members: “(a) The rights of a Jew under this Law and the rights of an oleh under the Nationality Law, 5712-1952, as well as the rights of an oleh under any other enactment, are also vested in a child and a grandchild of a Jew, the spouse of a Jew, and the spouse of a grandchild of a Jew, except for a person who has been a Jew and has voluntarily changed his religion.” The next section makes it clear that the family member need not even be living: “(b) It shall be immaterial whether or not a Jew by whose right a right under subsection (a) is claimed is still alive and whether or not he has immigrated to Israel.” Article 4B provides the definition of a Jew: “For the purposes of this Law, ‘Jew’ means a person who was born of a Jewish mother or has become converted to Judaism and who is not a member of another religion.” Section 5 of the law allows the Minister of the Interior to grant visas and citizenship to minors without their parents consent, a section that has recently been used for minors from Ukraine, Moldova, and former Yugoslavia who decided to flee without their families. > [@](#): > > You know, it is possible to oppose Jewish and promote Palestinian views in a rational manner. While not promoting Palestinian views, I would oppose the religeous and inherent rights that are bestowed upon Jews by Israel. What do the rest of you think of such religeous / birth rights? ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2002, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-jewish-religion-and-ideology-a-threat-to-us-all/100416/9 "2002-03-27T20:50:03Z")
Yes, Jewish religion is a threat to us all. So is Christian religion. And Muslem religion. And any other kind of narrow-minded thinking that lets one group place themselves above others based on some outdated superstitious myths. ---
**Author:** ![Sweet\_Willy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sweet\_Willy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sweet_Willy)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2002, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-jewish-religion-and-ideology-a-threat-to-us-all/100416/10 "2002-03-27T20:56:26Z")
> [@](#): > > And any other kind of narrow-minded thinking that lets one group place themselves above others based on some outdated superstitious myths. Exactly. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2002, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-jewish-religion-and-ideology-a-threat-to-us-all/100416/11 "2002-03-27T20:57:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by rjung \* > \*\*Yes, Jewish religion is a threat to us all. > > So is Christian religion. > > And Muslem religion. > > And any other kind of narrow-minded thinking that lets one group place themselves above others based on some outdated superstitious myths. \*\* As opposed to self satisfied athiests whose narrow minded thinking is intellectually superior and not based on ancient thought. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Sweet\_Willy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sweet\_Willy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sweet_Willy)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2002, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-jewish-religion-and-ideology-a-threat-to-us-all/100416/12 "2002-03-27T21:12:29Z")
> [@](#): > > As opposed to self satisfied athiests whose narrow minded thinking is intellectually superior and not based on ancient thought. It is a great credit to base ones thinking independent of ancient thought. Most of it is crap. Probably a good idea to be familiar with it but to base ones thought upon it seems silly and detrimental to the advancement of man kind. Anyone belong to the Flat Earth Society? Maybe we could revive Greek mythology and demand a little piece of Greece where we could only allow those who worship Zeus to enter. Good stuff that ancient thought. ---
**Author:** ![Latro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a87d85/32.png) [@Latro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latro)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2002, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-jewish-religion-and-ideology-a-threat-to-us-all/100416/13 "2002-03-27T21:15:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Beeblebrox \* > \*\*As opposed to self satisfied athiests whose narrow minded thinking is intellectually superior and not based on ancient thought. :rolleyes: \*\* What do you mean not based on ancient thought? I admire the Greeks, Persians, Chinese etc. very much but thinking hasn’t stopped since the NT was written. There are other books now, equally interesting and more up to date. ---
**Author:** ![SuaSponte](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/67e7ee/32.png) [@SuaSponte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuaSponte)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2002, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-jewish-religion-and-ideology-a-threat-to-us-all/100416/14 "2002-03-27T21:17:37Z")
I, for one, think that the Zionist Occupation Government is doing a fine job. Gooooooo, ZOG!! Sua ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2002, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-jewish-religion-and-ideology-a-threat-to-us-all/100416/15 "2002-03-27T21:23:19Z")
Whatever, it’s just the antithesis of class to bend an obvious troll post into a driveby against religion. ---
**Author:** ![nswgru1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c4cdca/32.png) [@nswgru1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nswgru1)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2002, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-jewish-religion-and-ideology-a-threat-to-us-all/100416/16 "2002-03-27T21:46:46Z")
While not promoting Palestinian views, I would oppose the religeous and inherent rights that are bestowed upon Jews by Israel. What do the rest of you think of such religeous / birth rights? I think it is a common sense answer to a very real problem. Jews have historically been on the recieving end of very real ethnic cleansing attempts. They want to keep a Jewish majority for a reason. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2002, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-jewish-religion-and-ideology-a-threat-to-us-all/100416/17 "2002-03-27T23:18:25Z")
From the “vast Israeli spy ring” link posted by the unfortunate ORION: "Le Monde published what it said were excerpts from the introduction of the June 2001 report, including a comment that the women in the spy ring were ``usually very attractive.’’ Trust those Frenchies to get to the heart of the matter. ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2002, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-jewish-religion-and-ideology-a-threat-to-us-all/100416/18 "2002-03-27T23:19:00Z")
> [@](#): > > I think it is a common sense answer to a very real problem. Jews have historically been on the recieving end of very real ethnic cleansing attempts. They want to keep a Jewish majority for a reason. so putting another wrong on top of all the other ones is the right thing to do? How, pray tell, have you arrived at this conclusion? ---
**Author:** ![tradesilicon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/439d5e/32.png) [@tradesilicon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tradesilicon)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2002, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-jewish-religion-and-ideology-a-threat-to-us-all/100416/19 "2002-03-27T23:25:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sweet Willy \* > \*\* > While not promoting Palestinian views, I would oppose the religeous and inherent rights that are bestowed upon Jews by Israel. What do the rest of you think of such religeous / birth rights? \*\* Lisnen, boychik, next time you and several thousand of your closest friends are running from extermination, looking for a place to live, and manage to get a few hundred square miles of land, and form a govenment, and set up a life for youselves, and find yourself under attack by most of those around you, and try to survive and thrive, and face constant threat of extermination, and so on and so forth, I’de love to see how you set up shop so that anyone is welcome, but yet you still protect yourself/friends/family. You may be more likely to grant citizenship to those who you believe share a common desire for a safe place to live. Just gimme a holler when you’ve done it, then we’ll talk. Darn, I just remembered your MO, what a waste of typing on my part. ---
**Author:** ![tradesilicon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/439d5e/32.png) [@tradesilicon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tradesilicon)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2002, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-jewish-religion-and-ideology-a-threat-to-us-all/100416/20 "2002-03-27T23:31:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by TwistofFate \* > \*\* > so putting another wrong on top of all the other ones is the right thing to do? > > How, pray tell, have you arrived at this conclusion? \*\* What is the exact nature of the wrong that has been put on top here, TwistofFate? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-jewish-religion-and-ideology-a-threat-to-us-all/100416.md?page=2)