# Are males being led to the slaughter? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [January 14, 2015, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-males-being-led-to-the-slaughter/709771 "2015-01-14T00:41:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2015, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-males-being-led-to-the-slaughter/709771/101 "2015-01-14T18:11:20Z")
> [@Jake\_Jones](#): > > I’ve done a public service for those who couldn’t stomach beyond the first 60 seconds of this video. Be prepared. As **The Second Stone** observed, this shit is deep, yo! > > Quoted in full under Creative Commons license with attribution to Andy-Man: > > It’s even more ridiculous when you put the words into print. I like it it has the basic idea of “Don’t let people tell you how to act” followed by “Let me tell you how to act.” ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctor_jackson/32/32_2.png) [@Doctor\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2015, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-males-being-led-to-the-slaughter/709771/102 "2015-01-14T19:22:42Z")
> [@The\_Observer](#): > > Are males being led to the slaughter? No one led ME to the slaughter, I had to find the damn thing on my own. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2015, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-males-being-led-to-the-slaughter/709771/103 "2015-01-14T19:37:05Z")
> [@scabpicker](#): > > aaa I BET ANYONE ONE DRINK THAT I CAN PULL MORE HAIR OUT OF MY CHEST THAN ANYONE IN THIS BAR (umm, thread) IN ONE PULL! You’re on! You go first. [watches scabpicker produce a tuft] Good god! You win. Here’s your drink. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2015, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-males-being-led-to-the-slaughter/709771/104 "2015-01-14T20:01:17Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > Sorry, but what the hell is an MRA? Methicillin-Resistant Asshole? 😕 I got nothin’ else. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2015, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-males-being-led-to-the-slaughter/709771/105 "2015-01-14T20:03:11Z")
> [@Doctor\_Jackson](#): > > No one led ME to the slaughter, I had to find the damn thing on my own. And it took you twice as long because you wouldn’t stop for directions. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2015, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-males-being-led-to-the-slaughter/709771/106 "2015-01-14T20:14:49Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > Well, I only watched 6 minutes of that crap, and that’s 6 minutes of my life I’ll never get back. I want to believe you but you haven’t started a thread in CS about it yet so I don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2015, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-males-being-led-to-the-slaughter/709771/107 "2015-01-14T20:20:40Z")
> [@GrandWino](#): > > I want to believe you but you haven’t started a thread in CS about it yet so I don’t know. Don’t tempt me, man! ---
**Author:** ![FaerieBeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e95f7d/32.png) [@FaerieBeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FaerieBeth)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2015, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-males-being-led-to-the-slaughter/709771/108 "2015-01-14T22:15:38Z")
> [@purplehorseshoe](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Originally Posted by **GrumpyBunny** > > I led fifteen men to the slaughter today. Told them it was a **meeting**. > > > > MUA-hahahahahahahha! Our cunning plan is working! > > _Shhhh_. Aww, dammit, now we have to come up with a new excuse. Emergency **meeting** at eleven! Quick, you guys get to that meeting! So cunning!😉 Bolding mine ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-males-being-led-to-the-slaughter/709771/109 "2015-01-15T00:13:25Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Cripes, you leave the toilet seat up _one time…_ > > Regards, > Shodan Ever have to give a cat a bath after it falls in the toilet? ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-males-being-led-to-the-slaughter/709771/110 "2015-01-15T01:32:33Z")
Thank goodness for Fast Forward… but after that I am now entirely uninterested in watching any other vids by “Andy”. And how come I get the feeling the actual Old-school Manly Men would want to punch the voiceover guy? Og dearest that script was 9th Grade level philosophy. That was deep… if by “deep” you mean “too shallow to float a flat raft”. If some men out there feel they can never be any of those positive things because not all women are backing them 100% at it, then I don’t need them. I need men who will be "courageous, generous, honorable, creative, etc. " because that is the right way for a human to be, not because somehow it affirms they’re not women; men who will not curl up on the floor in a mess of insecurity if someone talks rough to them. Y’know, from watching the images in the vid, I don’t think Einstein or MLK or Gandhi or Ali or Malcolm spent much time pondering if women were emasculating them. They had real issues to deal with in their lifetimes, things to do. ---
**Author:** ![actualliberalnotoneofthose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e79b87/32.png) [@actualliberalnotoneofthose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/actualliberalnotoneofthose)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-males-being-led-to-the-slaughter/709771/111 "2015-01-15T01:40:35Z")
IMHO, there’s never been a better time to be a (regular guy) male. ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-males-being-led-to-the-slaughter/709771/112 "2015-01-15T02:53:37Z")
When dudes start talking about “masculinity” you know some fruity stuff is about to go down. Men from thousands of years ago would definitely consider us sissies. We use utensils, don’t hunt, don’t drink ourselves into a stupor, try to avoid physical confrontations, avoid animal cruelty and even outlaw harmless fun like animal fights, gladiator games, and so on. Moreover, the way we conduct war is without honor. We kill from thousands of feet away, sometimes miles. If you’re not sticking an axe in a guy’s face you’re a pussy. Stupid archers and javelin throwers ruined everything. They’d probably like that we wear pants though. Thanks, barbarians. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-males-being-led-to-the-slaughter/709771/113 "2015-01-15T04:05:52Z")
> [@Tuxie](#): > > OK, so after carefully stepping over this diarrhea river of an OP, I’m curious: > > What makes some men so obsessed with this? I would think it would be the most disenfranchised groups of men- those from communities with extremely strict gender roles. In places like that, a guy that was a little ‘off’ would be under a lot of pressure to confirm. But very often these are just boring middle class white guys. People who probably have WAY more ability to be whatever they want compared to their female/gay/PoC counterparts. > > It is ironic that, as a woman of color, the people complaining the loudest are those with ultimately the most power. I guess they can’t see it themselves, so any little thing that levels the playing field is seen as an attack on their way of life. Or maybe they were chronically insecure about their own masculinity, and never felt like they could fit into the whole Brawny Man role so they tried to find people to blame it on. Haven’t watched the video, as I don’t have that many functioning brain cells left, and don’t want to waste them on crap when there’s so much booze and porn out there, but… Some of the lyrics sound as though Andy Man spent some time in the “men’s movement” of the early Nineties. Remember _Iron John_ and _Fire In The Belly_? There was probably some New-Agey woo that attended that stuff - I seem to remember reading about men dancing naked around fires, and playing with swords - but it wasn’t hateful, the way the modern Men’s Rights movement is. I actually attended a workshop taught by Sam Keen, the author of _Fire In The Belly_. Interesting man; he didn’t really talk much about, or to, women. Certainly didn’t indulge in the “oh-poor-mistreated-men” whinge of MRAs, or blame women for “emasculating” men. His interest was revalorizing a definition of masculinity that emphasized nurturing and stewarding; he made a big deal about the word _husband_, as in _husbandry._ He also talked a lot about finding a vocation, the dignity of work, and a man’s need to take a spiritual journey into himself, to find his passion - his fire in the belly - and his authentic self. In other words, pretty much the complete opposite of the definition of masculinity proffered by our noble, honorable, fierce, courageous ducking-and-running OP. You’re right of course that like so many of these “lifestyle movements”, it was pretty much a lily-white affair (although surprisingly mixed sexually - the workshop I attended was about 50/50 male/female). So, at worst silly, but not mean. ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-males-being-led-to-the-slaughter/709771/114 "2015-01-15T04:50:53Z")
> [@The Great Sun Jester](#): > > You’re on! You go first. > > [watches scabpicker produce a tuft] > > Good god! You win. Here’s your drink. Yay! Free Drink! (hey, lame sideshow act is still a job) ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-males-being-led-to-the-slaughter/709771/115 "2015-01-15T06:51:47Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Ever have to give a cat a bath after it falls in the toilet? Of course not. A real man would just get a new cat. ---
**Author:** ![jimbuff314](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c57346/32.png) [@jimbuff314](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jimbuff314)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 7:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-males-being-led-to-the-slaughter/709771/116 "2015-01-15T07:59:29Z")
Do you s’pose **The\_Observer** is still, ya know, observing? ‘Cause I got somethin’ that’s weighin’ on me. **Hey The\_Observer!** How come I’m a tin-foil hatter just ‘cause I want to protect my not-yet-existant progeny? I think it prudent of me to think ahead and chill some of my little swimming buddies before the femi-nazis freeze my nuts off. And that makes me **crazy?!?!37!!1!** Jumpin’ Jack Flash With Some Frozen Nads! Okay to send me a PM on this. I won’t, you know, publish it or anything. Promise. _(Criminy. We don’t have a finger-crossing smilie? WTF?)_ ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-males-being-led-to-the-slaughter/709771/117 "2015-01-15T11:40:52Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Of course not. A real man would just get a new cat. A CAT?!!! WTF Nancy! Are you and Mrs Mittens going to dress up in matching sun dresses and have afternoon tea together? The only acceptable pets for a man is a large dog, alligator or some sort of primate. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-males-being-led-to-the-slaughter/709771/118 "2015-01-15T13:38:28Z")
Pft! Like men need be led to the slaughter! Oh come on now! The REAL men that I know are hell bent, racing to the slaughter, no lie. What, it’s -35? No, I’m not wearing a hat - hats are for wimps! Ask for directions? I’d rather die of starvation going in circles! Why would I ask for help? When it’s clear that I can dangerously fuck this up, perfectly well on my own! Of course I can redo the wiring! Why would you think I’d pay for some overpriced dude with a title? Directions? I don’t need no stinking instructions! Truth is, men have never needed to be led to their demise, they are willing racing toward it, 24/7 it would seem to me! ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctor_jackson/32/32_2.png) [@Doctor\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-males-being-led-to-the-slaughter/709771/119 "2015-01-15T13:42:54Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > And it took you twice as long because you wouldn’t stop for directions. > > Regards, > Shodan Yeah, I really need to pony up for the latest updates to my GPS (Generally Points to Slaughter) device. > [@msmith537](#): > > A CAT?!!! WTF Nancy! Are you and Mrs Mittens going to dress up in matching sun dresses and have afternoon tea together? > > The only acceptable pets for a man is a large dog, alligator or some sort of primate. Or a porcupine. Bathe THAT, wus! ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-males-being-led-to-the-slaughter/709771/120 "2015-01-15T13:44:24Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Ever have to give a cat a bath after it falls in the toilet? I tried, but the fur stuck to my tongue. > [@marshmallow](#): > > Men from thousands of years ago would definitely consider us sissies. We use utensils, don’t hunt, don’t drink ourselves into a stupor, try to avoid physical confrontations… Speak for yourself, wussie boy. Regards, Shodan [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-males-being-led-to-the-slaughter/709771.md?page=5)