# are men superior to women ? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 1, 2002, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-men-superior-to-women/126578 "2002-09-01T18:00:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Havel.2002](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6bbea6/32.png) [@Havel.2002](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Havel.2002)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2002, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-men-superior-to-women/126578/1 "2002-09-01T18:00:55Z")
women of today demand to have the same opportunities as men, but they are still a lightyear from men when it comes to creating something new. About every invention and innovation in the world are made by men. under 2% of the nobel-prize winners are women The big question is: are women capable to compete with men, are they as skilled as men ? My opinion is no. Women seams to destroy more than they create when they got power. They have had a long time to prove it, but I don’t see any positive results. 😕 What are your opinions about this ? ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2002, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-men-superior-to-women/126578/2 "2002-09-01T18:26:57Z")
Aim high, little Havel: you can make it in this man’s world. Don’t psyche yourself out: reach for the stars! ---
**Author:** ![jacksen9](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ce73a5/32.png) [@jacksen9](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jacksen9)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2002, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-men-superior-to-women/126578/3 "2002-09-01T18:27:53Z")
What have women destroyed? Generally speaking, men are physically stronger than women. I believe women are being successful in a variety of fields and professions. Creativity is an attribute of both genders. I think it is present in all of us. Some develop and nurture the creative trait and thereby increase creative capacity. I suppose it is kind of like, if you don’t use it you lose it. I am interested in hearing about what women have destroyed so please elaborate. ---
**Author:** ![december](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/838e76/32.png) [@december](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/december)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2002, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-men-superior-to-women/126578/4 "2002-09-01T18:33:42Z")
The New York Times editorial page would seem to agree with the OP. At least, based on their actions, not by their words. Their top female columnist is Maureen Dowd, who writes in an amusing and entertaining style. But, policy-wise, she’s an airhead. Serious discussion is left to men like Thomas Friedman and Paul Krugman. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2002, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-men-superior-to-women/126578/5 "2002-09-01T18:37:18Z")
**Havel.2002** , you can’t just express such an infammatory opinion around here in GD without backup. You’ve just ensured the displeasure of many regulars. For example you stated > [@](#): > > Women seams to destroy more than they create when they got power. I disagree. You have nothing to back that statement. I in turn will dispute that claim by offering Queen Victoria as a woman who took an empire and\* built\* it to double in size. Her reign was actually relatively peaceful compared to previous history. I offer [this cite](http://www.britannia.com/history/monarchs/mon58.html) to support my position. ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2002, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-men-superior-to-women/126578/6 "2002-09-01T18:37:24Z")
It’s worth talking about extremes here. At the extremes, we find that men are definately physically stronger than women. But is this, or even the average strength, in light of this, really all that interesting considering that the normal ranges have so much overlap? When someone goes around crowing that men are stronger than women, they are almost talking about talking about the extremes: but the fact is usually that for the _particular_ man doing the talking, there are plenty of women stronger than they. Likewise, women have, at the extremes, far more long-term endurance than men: virtually all the ultra-marathon champions are women (theorized because women’s bodies in the long run burn fat more efficiently, and store it more efficiently as well). ---
**Author:** ![Havel.2002](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6bbea6/32.png) [@Havel.2002](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Havel.2002)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2002, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-men-superior-to-women/126578/7 "2002-09-01T18:39:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jacksen9 \* > \*\*I am interested in hearing about what women have destroyed so please elaborate. \*\* Women are more liberal when it comes to issues as homosexuality, sex, family, same-sex marriages, adoption. We can thank feminism for all the broken families we have in the west today. (sorry if my writings seams a bit strange today, but I have a hangover.) ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2002, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-men-superior-to-women/126578/8 "2002-09-01T18:50:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Havel.2002 \* > **Women are more liberal when it comes to issues as homosexuality, sex, family, same-sex marriages, adoption.** Okay, now that you’ve given us examples of the things women do to fix the world world, when are you going to post what they have done to destroy it? ---
**Author:** ![Monocracy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monocracy/32/4493_2.png) [@Monocracy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monocracy)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2002, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-men-superior-to-women/126578/9 "2002-09-01T18:54:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Havel.2002 \* > \*\*Women are more liberal when it comes to issues as homosexuality, sex, family, same-sex marriages, adoption. \*\* This is Great Debates, please provide a cite or explanation for obviously retarded statements such as this, so that we feminazis may understand what the hell you are talking about. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Duckster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duckster/32/1244_2.png) [@Duckster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duckster)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2002, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-men-superior-to-women/126578/10 "2002-09-01T18:54:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Havel.2002 \* > We can thank feminism for all the broken families we have in the west today. > (sorry if my writings seams a bit strange today, but I have a hangover.) So all the unwed mothers are in their individual predicaments because of feminism? “Yeah, I’m 15, female, and a feminist. So fuck me, get me pregnant and then leave me to raise this child alone!! Got it??” I don’t think so. (Apologies not accepted for your writing or your hangover. Blame your mother, your girlfriend or your wife for it. Anyone but yourself.) ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2002, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-men-superior-to-women/126578/11 "2002-09-01T18:56:48Z")
—We can thank feminism for all the broken families we have in the west today.— Virtually every broken family I know of involves some asshole walking out on his kids. I guess those guys must be major feminists. And how the heck can one mangle “same-sex marriages” into the category of BROKEN families? When the whole damn point is to legally recognize MORE families? Or adoption? Is adopting an orphan now considered anti-family? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2002, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-men-superior-to-women/126578/12 "2002-09-01T18:57:22Z")
Are you sure you didn’t mean to post at [www.ladiesagainstfeminism.com](http://www.ladiesagainstfeminism.com) or [patriarch.com](http://patriarch.com)? ---
**Author:** ![jacksen9](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ce73a5/32.png) [@jacksen9](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jacksen9)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2002, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-men-superior-to-women/126578/13 "2002-09-01T18:58:01Z")
> [@](#): > > Women are more liberal when it comes to issues as homosexuality, sex, family, same-sex marriages, adoption. OK. Again I ask what have women destroyed? I see the breakdown of families as a huge problem. I do not think this is the work of women. The point could be made that with increased opportunities in the career world, women are less likely to stay in a bad marriage. Creating a solid family and a good marriage is the responsibility of all involved. I confess that I believe maintaining a house and home is a full time job. I have no children but I work with someone who does. I am completely amazed by the fact that she has the enthusiasm and stamina to come home after a 9 hour day and check homework, prepare dinner, do laundry, and read bedtime stories. I am truly amazed. I think this would be an example of the incredible strength and capacity for service women possess. I believe women have a inclination to perform the types of “secret service” that receive little recognition. My take is that women, especially mothers, are quite capable…excellent in fact. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2002, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-men-superior-to-women/126578/14 "2002-09-01T19:02:55Z")
> [@](#): > > The big question is: are women capable to compete with men, are they as skilled as men ? Well, in my time at this board, I’ve found most of the women here perfectly able to compete with men, and at least as skilled at writing coherent OPs. In the case of **Havel.2002** , probably much more skilled. ---
**Author:** ![Havel.2002](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6bbea6/32.png) [@Havel.2002](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Havel.2002)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2002, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-men-superior-to-women/126578/15 "2002-09-01T19:07:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by DMC \* > \*\* > > Okay, now that you’ve given us examples of the things women do to fix the world world, when are you going to post what they have done to destroy it? \*\* I think the liberal opinions and politic women often are spokesmen for destroys our society and make it more vulgar. I don’t like this direction and think it will harm us all in the end ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2002, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-men-superior-to-women/126578/16 "2002-09-01T19:15:11Z")
—I think the liberal opinions and politic women often are spokesmen for destroys our society and make it more vulgar.— What do you mean by vulgarity? Personally, I think an increase in the amount of enjoyable consensual sex and the amount of honest decent treatment of other human beings go hand in hand, and find it rather hard to treat either as a “vulgarity.” ---
**Author:** ![jacksen9](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ce73a5/32.png) [@jacksen9](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jacksen9)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2002, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-men-superior-to-women/126578/17 "2002-09-01T19:27:00Z")
_Havel.2002_ > [@](#): > > I think the liberal opinions and politic women often are spokesmen for destroys our society and make it more vulgar. I believe your assumption about the opinions of women and the issues that concern them is severely flawed. If you are concerned about the direction in which this society is moving, get busy doing something other than jumping to conclusions and assigning blame. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2002, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-men-superior-to-women/126578/18 "2002-09-01T19:38:23Z")
> [@](#): > > Their top female columnist is Maureen Dowd, who writes in an amusing and entertaining style. But, policy-wise, she’s an airhead. Serious discussion is left to men like Thomas Friedman and Paul Krugman. So are you indicting women? Or are you indicting the NY Times for hiring an airhead? > [@](#): > > About every invention and innovation in the world are made by men. > > women of today demand to have the same opportunities as men, but they are still a lightyear from men when it comes to creating something new. [http://www.inventorsmuseum.com/women.htm](http://www.inventorsmuseum.com/women.htm) [http://www.astr.ua.edu/4000WS/](http://www.astr.ua.edu/4000WS/) > [@](#): > > The big question is: are women capable to compete with men, are they as skilled as men ? Sure. They make great lawyers, doctors, politicians, teachers, principals, mechanics, custodians, nurses, scientists, CEOs, police men, professors, bus drivers, restaurant owners, real estate agents, orchestra conductors, concert violinists, news reporters, journalists, writers, comedians, radio talk show hosts, TV personalities, actors, stage directors, life guards, plumbers, tailors, cashiers, and message board moderators. For every lousy woman in any of these vocations, there is a lousy man to match. If you have a problem with this assertion, the onus is on you to provide a cite. > [@](#): > > My opinion is no. Women seams to destroy more than they create when they got power. Yes, every major war has been caused by a woman and fought by women. I don’t know why all the hate is always directed towards Hitler. It was actually Eva Braun who was behind it all, dontchaknow? > [@](#): > > They have had a long time to prove it, but I don’t see any positive results. Prove what? That they destroy everything? Seems like history has shown this to be the EXACT opposite. But what do I know? I’m just a silly wittle girl. > [@](#): > > What are your opinions about this ? I know I might be wrong about this–since I am a woman and all–but I thought opinions were for IMHO, not GD. But if you really want my opinion? I think you don’t really have a hangover. I think you’re really as stupid as your writing implies you are. > [@](#): > > I think the liberal opinions and politic women often are spokesmen for destroys our society and make it more vulgar. I agree. Anita Bryant is a perfect example of this. > [@](#): > > I don’t like this direction and think it will harm us all in the end Not me. I’m going to be the one destroying society with my vulgarity. _%#()@_%(#)#(#)@!@!#%^%%#)@!\_%!! ---
**Author:** ![chorus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@chorus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chorus)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2002, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-men-superior-to-women/126578/19 "2002-09-01T19:39:08Z")
I particularly like the statement that women are more liberal about sex than men… that just cracks me up!! But in all seriousness, most destruction is caused by men. This is a direct result of the world being “run by” men (that is, most positions of power are held by men). How can women cause destruction if they aren’t in power? That isn’t to say that they _wouldn’t_ cause destruction if they ran the world. But at the time, I think men hold all those trophies. As for the Nobel prize, I sort of agree. Women do not do as well in science as men. Unfortunately, I don’t believe that you can argue that. What you can argue, however, is **why?** This has always confused me. I’ve known lots of smart women in my time, there doesn’t seem to be any reason for them not to excel in science. Is it hard to get into science as a woman? Or is it just not interesting to them? (the same way knitting doesn’t interest men) –Chorus ---
**Author:** ![Havel.2002](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6bbea6/32.png) [@Havel.2002](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Havel.2002)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2002, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-men-superior-to-women/126578/20 "2002-09-01T19:42:52Z")
sorry to say this, but most of you are very good at avoiding my main-point. You simply aren’t very eager to know my opinion You ask for a lot of specifik examples, but refuses to see the whole picture. enough about that I have the impression that women have a tendency to be destructive when they discover that men is almost totally superior when it comes to produce new knowledge and inventions. They often blame the male-society but can’t face the fact that it’s often themselves that are not smart enough [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-men-superior-to-women/126578.md?page=2)