# Are more people trying to beat trains at crossings? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [September 15, 2021, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-more-people-trying-to-beat-trains-at-crossings/950695 "2021-09-15T11:43:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-more-people-trying-to-beat-trains-at-crossings/950695/1 "2021-09-15T11:43:52Z")
All of a sudden, I’m hearing constant PSA’s on prime spots on radio warning against trying to cross tracks when a train is approaching. Why? Do people really need to be told this, and have accidents of this type become more frequent? ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-more-people-trying-to-beat-trains-at-crossings/950695/2 "2021-09-15T12:19:12Z")
[**This Article Says “Yes”**](https://www.nhtsa.gov/increase-drivers-going-around-gates-colliding-trains) ---
**Author:** ![Seanette](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/seanette/32/9139_2.png) [@Seanette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seanette)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-more-people-trying-to-beat-trains-at-crossings/950695/3 "2021-09-15T14:15:46Z")
General overall driving idiocy seems to be on the rise. ---
**Author:** ![Keeve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f07891/32.png) [@Keeve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Keeve)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-more-people-trying-to-beat-trains-at-crossings/950695/4 "2021-09-15T14:35:20Z")
General overall idiocy of all kinds seems to be on the rise. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-more-people-trying-to-beat-trains-at-crossings/950695/5 "2021-09-15T15:12:27Z")
I wonder why US train crossings have a single bar that one can drive around, and Europeans have two bars to prevent such an action. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-more-people-trying-to-beat-trains-at-crossings/950695/6 "2021-09-15T15:16:03Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > **I wonder why US train crossings have a single bar that one can drive around** , and Europeans have two bars to prevent such an action. - Weeds out the idiots. I would agree that dangerously impatient driving is vastly increased. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-more-people-trying-to-beat-trains-at-crossings/950695/7 "2021-09-15T15:52:15Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I wonder why US train crossings have a single bar that one can drive around, and Europeans have two bars to prevent such an action. Probably cost-related. In a lot of these reported cases the driver “got stuck on the tracks”. Uh-huh. 🤨 ---
**Author:** ![blondebear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blondebear/32/1022_2.png) [@blondebear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blondebear)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-more-people-trying-to-beat-trains-at-crossings/950695/8 "2021-09-15T16:21:27Z")
I think it may have been a problem ever since roads intersected with railroad tracks. There is a whole gallery of railroad-related public safety posters from the early 1900s at the Transportation Museum in Roanoke. [![](https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OTPz1bJ2cGM/XY_2ujd5rKI/AAAAAAABMeE/EnNymB3qRv4R8tZYTNcrf2Z5KfII8tRwgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/safety%2Btraining.jpg) ](https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OTPz1bJ2cGM/XY_2ujd5rKI/AAAAAAABMeE/EnNymB3qRv4R8tZYTNcrf2Z5KfII8tRwgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/safety%2Btraining.jpg) [![](https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-uAr60FgTako/XY_2pzh-esI/AAAAAAABMd4/l-DbAJzUJiknZWlRQ9SUhR-NON_T_9SIQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/ST4.jpg) ](https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-uAr60FgTako/XY_2pzh-esI/AAAAAAABMd4/l-DbAJzUJiknZWlRQ9SUhR-NON_T_9SIQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/ST4.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-more-people-trying-to-beat-trains-at-crossings/950695/9 "2021-09-15T17:09:09Z")
Right, and we were taught in very early elementary school to not cross tracks when a train was approaching, whether walking or biking, and driving when we were old enough. I remember hearing the same fact that a train could take over a mile to stop, and that it’s not like a car that can stop quickly. But I don’t remember any widespread PSA campaign largely geared toward adults who are driving. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-more-people-trying-to-beat-trains-at-crossings/950695/10 "2021-09-15T17:16:12Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I wonder why US train crossings have a single bar that one can drive around, and Europeans have two bars to prevent such an action. Some rural crossings [in the USA, anyway] don’t have any bars; just signs announcing that there’s a crossing. You’re supposed to “stop, look, and listen”. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-more-people-trying-to-beat-trains-at-crossings/950695/11 "2021-09-15T17:52:02Z")
Since COVID and all people stuck at home, now they are VERY impatient. I drive to Denver about 4 times a month to help my mom out. Last Sunday, leaving Denver at 7am, some fool passed me on a quiet residential street. I was going the speed limit, no lane markings or anything. And this moron passes me on the left and doesn’t even have time to get back over to the right lane. He passed me in the middle of a block and made an immediate left turn. I’ll forgive these idiots if they are going to the hospital or their house is on fire. ---
**Author:** ![Limmin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f04885/32.png) [@Limmin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Limmin)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-more-people-trying-to-beat-trains-at-crossings/950695/12 "2021-09-15T17:56:13Z")
delete…sorry, a bit off topic. ---
**Author:** ![Limmin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f04885/32.png) [@Limmin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Limmin)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-more-people-trying-to-beat-trains-at-crossings/950695/13 "2021-09-15T18:06:32Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Last Sunday, leaving Denver at 7am, some fool passed me on a quiet residential street. I was going the speed limit, no lane markings or anything. And this moron passes me on the left and doesn’t even have time to get back over to the right lane. I had something like this happen to me. Guy was so impatient that he passed me (on the left) about 500 yds short of a stop sign, on a country highway. He went around me so fast and aggressively he almost went entirely into the ditch on the left side of the road. I was a little stunned…and was thinking “Really? Was it worth it to almost roll your car / raise your insurance rates / injure yourself? Just to save a few seconds?” I think they (and RR crossing daredevils) need to remember what Bill Murray said in _Groundhog Day_: “Don’t drive angry!” ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-more-people-trying-to-beat-trains-at-crossings/950695/14 "2021-09-15T18:21:32Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > Some rural crossings [in the USA, anyway] don’t have any bars; just signs announcing that there’s a crossing. You’re supposed to “stop, look, and listen”. As opposed to, “Drive like hell”. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-more-people-trying-to-beat-trains-at-crossings/950695/15 "2021-09-15T18:23:42Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > As opposed to, “Drive like hell”. That part is sometimes enforced by the degree of the bump. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-more-people-trying-to-beat-trains-at-crossings/950695/16 "2021-09-15T18:29:11Z")
> [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](#): > > But I don’t remember any widespread PSA campaign largely geared toward adults who are driving. There is, in fact, such a campaign: Operation Lifesaver. I’ve heard radio PSAs from them, and back when I took a commuter train every day (pre-COVID), I’d see an Operation Lifesaver booth at my train station once or twice a year, but I do suspect that their campaign suffers from an overall lack of visibility. [https://oli.org/](https://oli.org/) ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-more-people-trying-to-beat-trains-at-crossings/950695/17 "2021-09-15T18:38:02Z")
> [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](#): > > All of a sudden, I’m hearing constant PSA’s on prime spots on radio warning against trying to cross tracks when a train is approaching. Why? Do people really need to be told this, and have accidents of this type become more frequent? > [@kenobi\_65](#): > > There is, in fact, such a campaign: Operation Lifesaver. I’ve heard radio PSAs from them, and back when I took a commuter train every day (pre-COVID), I’d see an Operation Lifesaver booth at my train station once or twice a year, but I do suspect that their campaign suffers from an overall lack of visibility. > > [https://oli.org/](https://oli.org/) Note that, per @kenobi_65’s link, Rail Safety Week in the U.S., Canada and Mexico is next week: September 20-26. If by “all of a sudden”, you mean in the last couple of weeks, it’s quite likely because that. ---
**Author:** ![WildaBeast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wildabeast/32/6_2.png) [@WildaBeast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WildaBeast)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-more-people-trying-to-beat-trains-at-crossings/950695/18 "2021-09-15T18:59:45Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > You’re supposed to “stop, look, and listen”. When I was taking driver’s ed, my instructor made us do that at literally every crossing. There were some old tracks in the small town where my high school was located that were clearly abandoned; besides the old rusty rails and weeds, you could see that the tracks had been removed just beyond the crossing. He even made us stop, look, and listen at that crossing. As teenagers, my friends and I all thought it was silly that he made us do that when the tracks were so obviously abandoned. Now that I’m older and wiser, I realize he was trying to teach us to _never_ just assume tracks are out of service. When you see tracks, think train, as they say. Case in point, in the town where I live now there’s a set of tracks that were out of service for a long time, but now there’s an organization that occasionally uses them for scenic train rides. But most drivers still just cross the tracks without slowing down, being so accustomed to them being unused, and probably unaware that they are occasionally being used again. I’m not aware of any accidents that have occurred because of that, but I can see how there could be. ---
**Author:** ![Briny\_Deep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/briny_deep/32/17188_2.png) [@Briny\_Deep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Briny_Deep)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-more-people-trying-to-beat-trains-at-crossings/950695/19 "2021-09-15T19:57:32Z")
There are a lot of train tracks in Seattle that are long out of service (esp. on the East Side), and people know it and routinely cross without looking. Well and good for those particular tracks, I guess, but IMHO leaving the defunct tracks in place eventually trains\* people to be incautious about all train tracks everywhere. When I moved away, I had to re-learn how to look sharp. \*rimshot ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-more-people-trying-to-beat-trains-at-crossings/950695/20 "2021-09-15T20:14:16Z")
In some areas, you have miles of visibility to see a train approaching. In others, there is a tree line along the tracks. Up near where my grandparents lived there was one particular crossing, with a 55 mph county road intersecting a tree lined rail line that my grandfather would always warn us or our cousins about when we were visiting. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-more-people-trying-to-beat-trains-at-crossings/950695.md?page=2)