# Are muslims ever NOT "outraged" by something?
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-muslims-ever-not-outraged-by-something/372961
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [September 16, 2006, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-muslims-ever-not-outraged-by-something/372961 "2006-09-16T15:30:46Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@GorillaMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GorillaMan)
#### Post date: [September 17, 2006, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-muslims-ever-not-outraged-by-something/372961/61 "2006-09-17T22:15:09Z")
> [@lissener](#):
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> So the pope apologized?
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> Sorry, this ain’t no apology:
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> _“I am deeply sorry for the reactions in some countries to a few passages of my address . . . which were considered offensive.”_
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> Sorry for _the reactions_? The remarks were \*considered \* offensive? I call bullshit.
So we’re going to be as selective with quotations from this statement as we were with those from the original speech?
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### Author:  [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)
#### Post date: [September 17, 2006, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-muslims-ever-not-outraged-by-something/372961/62 "2006-09-17T22:17:54Z")
> [@Sam Stone](#):
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> Maybe a better question is, “Why are Muslims so gullible?” It seems like it’s trivially easy to spread lies, misinformation, and conspiracy theories in the Muslim world.
Whereas it’s impossible to convince a majority of Americans that Saddam Hussein was involved with the 9/11 attacks when he in fact had absolutely nothing to do with them, and doubly impossible to convince them of that without ever once stating that Hussein had anything to do with it, and even overtly denying it.
People are gullible. That’s just the way it is.
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### Author:  [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)
#### Post date: [September 17, 2006, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-muslims-ever-not-outraged-by-something/372961/63 "2006-09-17T22:19:21Z")
> [@GorillaMan](#):
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> So we’re going to be as selective with quotations from this statement as we were with those from the original speech?
Um, I’m going to selectively quote the lines I have an objection to, yeah. I don’t see the problem. I haven’t changed the context. He explicitly makes his “apology” passive, and does not, in fact, take responsibility. The quotes I supplied are the parts of his speech in which he explicitly does this.
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### Author:  [@Firebringer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Firebringer)
#### Post date: [September 17, 2006, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-muslims-ever-not-outraged-by-something/372961/64 "2006-09-17T22:27:24Z")
Perhaps lissner should ‘listen’ before ‘talking’.
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### Author:  [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)
#### Post date: [September 17, 2006, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-muslims-ever-not-outraged-by-something/372961/65 "2006-09-17T22:43:52Z")
> [@lissener](#):
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> He explicitly makes his “apology” passive, and does not, in fact, take responsibility.
Responsibility for what? Muslims taking his words out of context & [slaying a Catholic nun?](http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/world/international-somalia-italian.html)
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### Author:  [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)
#### Post date: [September 17, 2006, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-muslims-ever-not-outraged-by-something/372961/66 "2006-09-17T23:05:38Z")
> [@lissener](#):
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> And I blame Bush as much as I blame the Muslim leaders: it’s his emphasis on the “us vs. them” thing that has the Muslim leaders choosing sides.
Well then if we’re drawing lots, whose side does the Vatican seem to be on? To me Benedict’s eloquent little fable seems to be a florid yet moving way of saying “[bring it on](http://www.christiantoday.com/article/nun.shot.dead.in.somali.capital/7631.htm).”
Stinkpalm: World War III was the Cold War. We are currently engaged in the early stages of World War IV. Have you not noticed what’s [been going on in Cuba](http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060916/ts_nm/nonaligned_dc_17) for the last few days?
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### Author:  [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)
#### Post date: [September 17, 2006, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-muslims-ever-not-outraged-by-something/372961/67 "2006-09-17T23:06:47Z")
> [@levdrakon](#):
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> [slaying a Catholic nun?](http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/world/international-somalia-italian.html)
I’m sorry, I didn’t see your link.
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### Author:  [@athelas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/athelas)
#### Post date: [September 17, 2006, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-muslims-ever-not-outraged-by-something/372961/68 "2006-09-17T23:19:50Z")
> [@What Exit?](#):
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> Funny, I could turn your twisted logic very easily against fundies. I would not as I do not believe in genocide as a solution, but what the fuck are you talking about here? How are you going to decide who to kill? Are you going to round them up or just carpet bomb vast areas? Nukes, Bio, Chem or just conventional?
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> Please re-read your own post and tell us what you are saying.
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> Jim
No, he’s saying that countries would self-select, pro Islamic extremism or anti Islamic extremism. And it wouldn’t be genocide, since if, as many in this thread say, most Muslims are against that sort of thing (probably true in the West, but in the global population I’m not so sure), they would not side with the whackos.
Unfortunately, I don’t see this happening anytime soon; Europe is too used to bending to the wants of its Muslim community (see reaction to Denmark cartoons), and the US, by and large, is no longer willing to take action without at least some measure of international support. But that’s what he was saying.
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### Author:  [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)
#### Post date: [September 17, 2006, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-muslims-ever-not-outraged-by-something/372961/69 "2006-09-17T23:22:39Z")
> [@athelas](#):
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> No, he’s saying that countries would self-select, pro Islamic extremism or anti Islamic extremism. And it wouldn’t be genocide, since if, as many in this thread say, most Muslims are against that sort of thing (probably true in the West, but in the global population I’m not so sure), they would not side with the whackos.
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> Unfortunately, I don’t see this happening anytime soon; Europe is too used to bending to the wants of its Muslim community (see reaction to Denmark cartoons), and the US, by and large, is no longer willing to take action without at least some measure of international support. But that’s what he was saying.
I hope you are right, but you are interpreting his post a lot more generously than I am capable of.
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### Author:  [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)
#### Post date: [September 17, 2006, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-muslims-ever-not-outraged-by-something/372961/70 "2006-09-17T23:39:56Z")
I wouldn’t put down the nun’s death as an isolated incident. Just related to the militia that seems to have take over Mogadishu.
[http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20430605-23109,00.html](http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20430605-23109,00.html)
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### Author:  [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)
#### Post date: [September 18, 2006, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-muslims-ever-not-outraged-by-something/372961/71 "2006-09-18T00:06:55Z")
> [@samclem](#):
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> I wouldn’t put down the nun’s death as an isolated incident.
Thanks for the news. I’ve been looking for information on foreign nuns +1 murdered in Somalia in the last few months. I can’t find any. I don’t blame you for doubting; my first and most cynical thought was the women’s clinic where she worked might’ve been providing feminine health care and reproductive services.
But then I remembered “NUN” and I was back to square 1.
Then it hit me. From the back, four men shot the hell out of a nun and her bodyguard outside of the hospital where they both worked. Cui bono?
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### Author:  [@coffeecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coffeecat)
#### Post date: [September 18, 2006, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-muslims-ever-not-outraged-by-something/372961/72 "2006-09-18T00:30:33Z")
> [@lissener](#):
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> So the pope apologized?
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> Sorry, this ain’t no apology:
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> _“I am deeply sorry for the reactions in some countries to a few passages of my address . . . which were considered offensive.”_
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> Sorry for _the reactions_? The remarks were \*considered \* offensive? I call bullshit.
It’s the best he could do without bullshitting, because he never insulted Islam to begin with. While giving an academic lecture (full text [here](http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/speeches/)), he quoted an anti-muslim statement by some guy who’s been dead for 600 years, because it related to a completely different point of his own about the relationship between faith and reason.
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### Author:  [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)
#### Post date: [September 18, 2006, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-muslims-ever-not-outraged-by-something/372961/73 "2006-09-18T00:37:07Z")
Imho, the Pope ought to tell them to get bent. Or stuffed, whichever his Popeness prefers.
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### Author:  [@athelas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/athelas)
#### Post date: [September 18, 2006, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-muslims-ever-not-outraged-by-something/372961/74 "2006-09-18T01:22:03Z")
But he can’t do that! They might get outraged!
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### Author:  [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)
#### Post date: [September 18, 2006, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-muslims-ever-not-outraged-by-something/372961/75 "2006-09-18T01:48:43Z")
> [@GorillaMan](#):
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> At the time of the Muslim cartoon protests, I remember hearing an interesting point…even with the internet, it wasn’t easy to find the original images. Yet all these people protesting seemed to have seen them…or at least, something which was supposed to be them.
Not hardly a new phenomenon. Thousands protested when **The Last Temptation of Christ** was released- never having seen the film. They were doing what their fellows were doing. Not because they knew firsthand that they themselves objected, but because they knew that their fellows objected, and their religious leadership objected.
From the Wikipedia cite on The Last Temptation of Christ:
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> Martin Scorsese directed a film based on the book, which was released by Universal Pictures in 1988. It stars Willem Dafoe as Jesus, Harvey Keitel as Judas Iscariot, and Barbara Hershey as Mary Magdalene. David Bowie and Harry Dean Stanton also appear as Pontius Pilate and Paul, respectively. The film was shot entirely in Morocco.
> Scorsese has been described as a lapsed Catholic; nevertheless, he maintains a traditionally Christian faith in Christ. He had been wanting to make a film version of Jesus’ life for many years. He first attempted to make one in the early 1980s, but the project had to be placed on hold. Finally in 1988, The Last Temptation of Christ was completed and released to theaters.
> Protests against the movie from the religious community began before the film had even finished production. The studio was expecting a backlash due to the controversies revolving around any media treatment of Christ (see dramatic portrayals of Jesus Christ), but the protests accompanying Last Temptation were unprecedented. Major religious leaders in the United States blasted the film in fiery sermons, and condemned its subject matter as pornographic.
> On October 22, 1988, a French Catholic fundamentalist group launched molotov cocktails inside the Parisian saint Michel movie theater to protest against the film projection. This terrorist attack injured thirteen people; four of them were severely burned.
> The movie includes a disclaimer explaining that it departs from the commonly-accepted biblical portrayal of Jesus’ life, and that it is not intended to be an exact recreation of the events detailed in the Gospels.
> In 1991, Albuquerque high school teacher, Joyce Briscoe, showed the film to gifted history students at La Cueva High School, raising a storm of controversy by parents and local Christian broadcaster KLYT.
( IMDB had a dearth of controversy-related information. )
Apparently blindly following the actions of others is a big part of this- be the followers Christians, Muslims or Jews.
Very sad.
Cartooniverse
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### Author:  [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)
#### Post date: [September 18, 2006, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-muslims-ever-not-outraged-by-something/372961/76 "2006-09-18T05:02:08Z")
> [@athelas](#):
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> No, he’s saying that countries would self-select, pro Islamic extremism or anti Islamic extremism.
No, he’s not. He’s not saying anything like that. Nowhere in that post does he make any distinction between moderate and extremist Islam. He specifcally says nations will have to choose between being for or against Islam as a whole, that the whole religion is a “cancer,” and that all of them need to be “cleared out.” It’s as clear a call for genocide as I’ve ever seen on these boards.
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### Author:  [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)
#### Post date: [September 18, 2006, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-muslims-ever-not-outraged-by-something/372961/77 "2006-09-18T05:26:49Z")
> [@Daithi Lacha](#):
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> I’m not saying anything of the sort. Truth to tell, I wasn’t tacitly implying anything. I was honestly curious as to how they might have gotten ahold of unpublished cartoons.
One of the “offensive cartoons” was actually a wire photo that had nothing to do with the Danish paper (it was French) or Islam. It was a picture of a guy with a pig mask on. Somehow, it just got bunched together with the Danish cartoons with a new caption that said it was Muhammad. Must’ve been a misunderstanding on the Imams’ part. :rolleyes:
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### Author:  [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)
#### Post date: [September 18, 2006, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-muslims-ever-not-outraged-by-something/372961/78 "2006-09-18T11:15:00Z")
**Stinkpalm** , please come back and give us a little more info. Do you really want to kill a billion Muslims, or just the naughty ones? And if so, would that be just Muslims who commit violence, or also Muslims who annoy you by protesting? How about Muslims who just look at you wrong?
I’m sponsoring a nine-year-old girl in Mali; she’s a Muslim. Does she get a bullet in the head, or will she be put in a work camp, or what?
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### Author:  [@Scoundrel\_Swanswater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scoundrel_Swanswater)
#### Post date: [September 18, 2006, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-muslims-ever-not-outraged-by-something/372961/79 "2006-09-18T11:48:23Z")
Maybe **StinkPalm** has a nice recipe for Muslim soap? :eek:
I think he should try reading some history books. (Fucking nazi dumbass)
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### Author:  [@chowder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chowder)
#### Post date: [September 18, 2006, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/are-muslims-ever-not-outraged-by-something/372961/80 "2006-09-18T11:55:18Z")
> [@What Exit?](#):
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> Funny, I could turn your twisted logic very easily against fundies. I would not as I do not believe in genocide as a solution, but what the fuck are you talking about here? How are you going to decide who to kill? Are you going to round them up or just carpet bomb vast areas? Nukes, Bio, Chem or just conventional?
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> Please re-read your own post and tell us what you are saying.
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> Jim
What **Stinkpalm** is saying is that he _feels_ that within 10 years entire nations will say enough is enough and take sides one way or the other.
I don’t think **Stinkpalm** is advocating genocide, he’s just saying what he thinks could happen
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